Tankies are fascists, so this isn’t surprising.
To place Russian communism and Nazi-fascism on the same moral plane, in that both would be totalitarian, is superficial at best, fascism at worst. Whoever insists on this equation may well consider himself a democrat, in truth and in the bottom of his heart he is in fact already a fascist, and certainly only in a hypocritical and insincere way will he fight fascism, while reserving all his hatred for communism.
- Thomas Mann
NO U
Stunning. Incredible take.
Also they said fascism, not nazi-fascism. Tankies aren’t nazis. They excuse completely different genocides than the holocaust.
Russia is an oligarchy, not a communist state. Where have you been since the 1990s?
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Yes very well articulated. He even managed to use democrat as an insult. Stunning and brave.
They said tankies, not Russian communism.
Everybody knows russian communism is marginally better than fascism, except those who survived it and fascistly say it’s as bad.
There’s no such thing as Russian communism. They never were communist and never will be communist. They liked the word communist. Or at least saying it a lot. They liked also pretend that it was their aspiration to become communist. But no Marxist leninist government has ever or will ever achieve communism. But they will ruin its name with their hypocritical Behavior.
There is a difference between a fascist and a Marxist leninist. But they are both authoritarian. So it isn’t massive. And if you cross the end group in either one your life is forfeit.
It’s true because Thomas said it?
Edit: Nice downvotes but I would actually like to know his reasoning.
Then read Listen Germany!
The real nazis were the friends we made along the way.
Poignant, thanks.
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Tankies are not fascist, they are just willing to do whatever it takes to defend the socialist revolution.
If you’re willing to do “whatever it takes” including instituting fascism, you’re a fascist.
Such as justifying capitalist oligarchs that pretend to be socialists like Putin and Xi.
Actually, Putin doesn’t even pretend to be socialist. He’s pretty unashamedly capitalist. Tankies love the guy anyway.
Funny how the self-proclaimed vanguard of the radical left are just incoherent anti-western reactionaries wearing Marxism like a fig leaf, isn’t it? Like, I’m all for breaking down the current neoliberal capitalist hegemony, but you’ve gotta have a hole in your head to want to replace it with a literal crime syndicate masquerading as a government or an oppressive hyper-capitalist dictatorship with imperialistic ambitions.
I’m all for breaking down the current neoliberal capitalist hegemony
What would you replace it with?
An interesting question, with (I think) a range of viable answers, in the angels-on-pinheads sense of pure theory. I personally think the sweet spot would be a broadly social-democratic system where basic industries are socialized to varying degrees, a regulated free market exists for novel industries and goods we would think of as “discretionary spending” items, and the market regulator has the capacity to move industries gradually from the latter category towards the former as they mature and become foundational to the society and economy.
How are Marxists-Leninists preventing Social Democracy? They aren’t organized, they have no viable political parties, as far as I know, they don’t even hold any state, or federal offices. It seems your complaints are with the neoliberals that are firmly in control.
Hate “tankies” all you want, but they are irrelevant to what is happening in America. This is punching down because people feel hopeless while facing a Trump re-election. It is unproductive and detrimental to building the unified coalition needed to fight fascism.
Are you confusing my argument that “tankies are useful idiots for authoritarianism whose actions have no relationship with their professed values” to imply that they’re somehow in the driver’s seat on anything? Or hell, that they’re even sincere Marxists?
Tankies don’t give a fuck about socialism.
Tankies, just like other fascists, are willing to do whatever it takes to gain and keep power, including pretending to support socialism
If I was to give this point of the benefit of the doubt (which, to be clear, I don’t) what you’re saying is that tankies are accelerationists. And I get it, to an extent – a comfortable middle class isn’t going to be concerned about the depredations of the right until they start to find themselves in the crosshairs – but the last time fascists got their way in the world, more than 73 million people died. Arguing, in effect, that the aftermath of another world war will be better for the survivors is a… challenging point to defend when it requires you to dismiss the deaths of a significant percentage of the world’s population, especially when those most in danger from a rising right wing are those that a supposed left-winger should most want to protect. Sacrificing religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities on the altar of a better future for religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities doesn’t sit well with me.
You have a choice between 1) capitalism that’s free for all, fuck the earth, fuck the workers, fuck the consumer, disband the EPA, OSHA, FTC, or 2) capitalism that’s regulated, with environmental protection, worker protections, minimum wages, workplace standards, product regulations, etc. The choice should be obvious.
Such as allying with the fascists so hard that Stalin was in talks to join the axis before Barbarossa.
If they’re voting for Biden then why are they saying they won’t vote for Biden and are encouraging others not to vote for Biden? 🤔
I mean some might be fascists from like 8chan RPing as tankies. If I recall like a white republican congressman had a sockpuppet where he pretended to be a black guy.
You have to assume a certain amount of pro-trump stuff is straight up BS
Stalinism wasn’t counter-revolutionary?
Is that in the meme? In my opinion, Stalin was counter-revolutionary to Marxism:
Thus, as Trotsky long ago foresaw, the successes of planned economy at home and the advances of the revolution abroad sharpened the internal contradictions of Soviet society, bringing them to explosive political expression against the totalitarian regime of the bureaucratic oligarchy that usurped power following the death of Lenin
But I don’t reject what he was trying to achieve, as I don’t reject what Xi is trying in China. Don’t let Perfect be the enemy of Good.
Achieving absolute perfection may be impossible; one should not let the struggle for perfection stand in the way of appreciating or executing on something that is imperfect but still of value.
You’re implying that more capitalism is progress.
It can be. Capitalism as an economic system is efficient at raising industrial standards. Capitalism, as a tool for industrialization isn’t bad.
The problem with capitalism is that it strains social relations within the system by producing inequality of wealth distribution.
Technology-driven changes in production make new social forms possible, such that old social forms and classes become outmoded and displaced by new ones. Once, the dominant class were the land owning lords. But the new industrial system produced a new dominant class: the capitalists. source
Capitalism isn’t evil, it’s a tool. But the social relations capitalism creates is oppressive, and will be dismantled.
Lol, which is why historically they have coalitioned with the right to murder the socialists before the socialists could take power.
project 2025 is not a socialist revolution
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Luke 23:34
Part my ramen and I’ll fight you, mate.
Tankie is only ever used when the user doesn’t want to say ‘fascist’ outright, for predictable reasons.
wait til this guy learns about World War Two
Not that meme is wrong, but the account that posted that comment is 3 days old and is clearly a troll.
There are a bunch of regular posters here that think the exact same way.
You can see by the 85% like ratio on this post that 15% of this community thinks this way.
I’m neither a tankie nor a maga but disagree with it. This weird all or nothing, “if you’re not with us you’re against” us shit is toxic. It’s toxic to you and your goals.
You’ll have to lie in the bed you shit in, but hopefully you manage to see who took the shit instead of blaming whatever group you can to not take responsibility.
I mean as if these people aren’t all just trolls to some extent.
It takes either great malice, great idiocy, or a great and terrible combination of the two to be a supporter of this shit.
We need a new name for Russian state sponsored spam other than “troll”, which should be restored to the original status as a perpetually online nerd who enjoys starting arguments.
I call trump supporters Redcaps after the especially blood thirsty kind of Goblin
What’s a similarly degrading fantasy creature that’s known for being a mindless parrot of whatever is said to it by its master? Or would that fit the people who fall for the state trolls better?
Thrall.
Grom, more like.
Most trolls are state sponsored narrative promoting spam now so the perpetually online nerd who like starting arguments should get a new name.
How about artyom?
Nah, there’s folks actually named that, a lot of whom are very against this all.
It’s gotta be a creature or a thing or some other kind of title for it to work best as a generalized name.
What’s wrong with vatnik ? I don’t see that used much anymore and it felt more appropriate, imo.
Didn’t land enough as an insult
So how have we established this is even a ‘Tankie’ to begin with?
powerful “leopards eating faces” energy from the tankies. I wish them luck with the anti-communist death squads outlined in project 2025
They’re Tankies, their entire ideology is feline face eating based. Russia SO KNOWN for how well it treats minorities and LGBT people!
They’ll actually cheer on for those death squads. If they had their way, they would have their own death squads. Marxists are infamous for their tyranny, genocide, forced deportations, engineered famines, purges, labor camps, hate, and secret police death squads.
Marxism and fascism are sister ideologies because they ultimately want the same things but just from slightly different angles.
Marxism: History is defined by material conditions and value comes from appropriated labour which workers are entitled to. Thus society should be oriented around collective ownership of the means of production in order to elevate the material conditions of the worker and usher in a new age of history. It is inevitable that the owning class will resort to violence to maintain their position and so this change will be a violent struggle. Eventually the state itself should be abolished once the transition is complete. Also this is inevitable because umm science wand wave.
Fascism: Power should be centralised on strong men wiling to make hard choices, everyone else should live subservient to the state. Military power, an ethnonational identity, and autarchy are the highest pursuits. Concession and concensus are weakness, might is the ultimate expression of power and violence for the glory of the nation is beautiful. Modernity is degenerate and we should idolise a mythologised past based around an ethnic group we claim the mantle of.
SleezyDizasta: Could these be the same? 🧐
SleezyDizasta: Could these be the same?
That’s stupid, that’s not what I implied. I said that they’re sister ideologies that desire the same things just with different approaches, and that’s objectively true.
Fascism was started by Mussolini, who was an infamous Marxist for most of his early life. He used to write for Marxist papers, be an avid Marxist activist, attend Marxist meetings, and even got arrested for rioting for Marxist causes. He, like many other socialists at the time, was against war. However, over time he came to the conclusion that war might not be a bad thing. If wars happened more frequently, it could bring about the social climate necessary for revolutions to happen that would end European monarchies and replace them with socialist systems. However, his ideas were rejected by the other socialists and he was shunned by them.
Mussolini started shifting away from other socialists over what unites men. Socialists believe it’s class, but Mussolini started shifting towards the nation. He and his supporters starting gravitating towards revolutionary nationalism… Professor Anthony Gregor from UC Berkely described Mussolini’s nationalism as the following:
Mussolini’s revolutionary nationalism, while it distinguished itself from the traditional patriotism and nationalism of the bourgeoisie, displayed many of those features we today identify with the nationalism of underdeveloped peoples. It was an anticonservative nationalism that anticipated vast social changes; it was directed against both foreign and domestic oppressors; it conjured up an image of a renewed and regenerated nation that would perform a historical mission; it invoked a moral ideal of selfless sacrifice and commitment in the service of collective goals; and it recalled ancient glories and anticipated a shared and greater glory
Mussolini’s Fascism was very clearly heavily influenced by Marxism. He used a lot of the same ideals, a lot of the same terminology, similar rhetoric, and similar types of analytical lenses. In fact professor Gregor notes that Mussolini’s viewed Fascism as a type of socialism, or rather as the successor of socialism:
“Fascism was the only form of ‘socialism’ appropriate to the proletarian nations of the twentieth century”
Even though Mussolini eventually parted ways with Marxism all together. His opposition to them wasn’t because they were socialists but because they were anti-nationalist. Despite declaring Marxism a failure and socialists as opposition, he still thought and constantly talked about how Fascism was about poor nations rising up against the plutocrats.
When I say they’re sister ideologies, they literally are.
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_nationalism
It’s almost like someone who was a Marxist made a new ideology that was not Marxism, had separate goals to Marxism, aligned itself against Marxists, didn’t adopt the social or economic policies of Marxism, but clothed itself in the language of Marxism.
Did you know that Marx was once just a random journalist? Does that mean Marxism is a sister ideology to newspaper businesses? Marxists do write stuff afterall!
It’s almost like someone who was a Marxist made a new ideology that was not Marxism, had separate goals to Marxism, aligned itself against Marxists, didn’t adopt the social or economic policies of Marxism, but clothed itself in the language of Marxism.
Yeah no shit, they’re different ideologies. I’m just pointing out that they’re similar, I’m not saying they’re exactly the same.
Did you know that Marx was once just a random journalist? Does that mean Marxism is a sister ideology to newspaper businesses? Marxists do write stuff afterall!
This isn’t even logically coherent.
They’re not at all similar… Like… wtf. All you can say is one violent thug followed Marxism and then stopped follow Marxism, did something completely different, while saying stuff that sounded like Marxism because he knew it sounded good.
Just dot point me, pick idk 5 core areas and just write what fascists proposed vs what Marxists proposed.
I legit cannot thing of anything with overlap except
- violence is sometimes good (literally even pacifists believe this)
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- people united in purpose can wield power (again not at all at unique hypothesis)
What have you got?
Okay here you go:
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Authoritarianism is not only acceptable but is encouraged. In fascism this comes in the form of a totalitarian dictatorship and in Marxism it comes in the form of an tyrannical transitional government that rules with an iron fist to establish socialism and bring about the social climate necessary to realize communism (dictatorship of the proletariat).
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Ideology revolves around common enemies - In fascism this comes in the form certain ethnicities or nationalities while in Marxism it comes in the form of classes.
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Bitterly oppose materialism - Fascism opposes materialism because it is deemed to lack acknowledgement of the role of the spirit, while Marxism opposes materialism because it is deem to be a key engine in class warfare.
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Bitterly oppose individualism - Both ideologies revolve around the concepts communality and unity, and so they see individualism as a threat to their core ideological views.
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Explicit support of political violence - You’re trying to water it down, but both support widescale poltical violence. Marxism calls for a violent revolution that overthrows capitalism by burning down the capitalist system and institutions (literally and metaphorically) as well as killing the entirety of the bourgeoisie (democide). Fascism calls for political violence as legitimate way to gain power and achieve aims, which includes getting rid of undesirable national, ethnic, racial, or religious groups (genocide).
There’s more, but you asked for 5.
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I think someone with a violent streak a mile long even as a child who became fascinated with populist revolutionary ideologies creating a new populist revolutionary ideology does not really make it inherently twinsies with previous populist revolutionary ideologies other than that they are both exactly that. I think it’s pretty clear in hindsight that what Mussolini was really interested in was gaining power in a populist revolution, no matter the cost or method.
Obviously, with the power of hindsight, we can see that Mussolini didn’t end up being the socialist that he was in his early days. However, it’s still interesting to the influences of Marxism on Fascism as an ideology. They do share a lot of characteristics despite their many differences. This is why the claim that these two ideologies are polar opposites isn’t true. They’re different? Sure. Polar opposites? Not exactly.
I’m not sure you know what Marxism or Fascism are… I think you just think everyone who doesn’t think like you is pure evil.
There have been a lot of killings and deaths that were intentionally to further goals that were claimed to be Marxist; Lenin and Stalin both had a lot of blood on their hands, as did Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro (after the revolution, I mean), and so on.
Authoritarian communism ends up being pretty bad for people that communist in the wrong way, along with everyone that isn’t communist.
Feels like colonialist capitalism has been pretty bad for an awful lot of people that aren’t the owning class too… What with the MANY genocides and the CIA
Sure, it absolutely has, and the CIA and American foreign policy has done some truly awful things. But there’s scale and scope as well; the American gov’t, by and large, hasn’t been jailing political dissidents solely for political dissent since the 30s or so. Political dissidents don’t tend to end up committing suicide by falling out of 1st floor windows, or drowning in bathtubs. We don’t arrest or dissappear anyone running against the president. We haven’t had concentration camps for our own citizens since the 40s (and hoo boy, those were pretty fucking awful, and we should be ashamed of them).
Yes… No argument with that part.
Not true at all, I have zero issues with people who think differently. However, I do take big issues with these two failed authoritarian ideologies that ended killing tens of millions each and brought nothing but misery everywhere they went. As it turns there’s more to politics than these two shitty ideologies
So naturally you realize that, despite authoritarian “communism” as practiced by the Soviet Union and China, inspired by Marxist-Leninist thinking and then by Stalin and Mao are just one interpretation of Marxism (which is one interpretation of communism/socialist theory) that diverged significantly in embracing something more resembling state capitalism and enduring dictatorship, whereas Marx viewed the dictatorship of the proletariat as simply describing the revolutionary transition to a classless society.
Actually, not true. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were both notorious authoritarians, and it reflects pretty heavily in their ideology. They were both well known for being very pro violence and pro power grabs, so much so that they were infamous for it. They’re pretty well documented for the ways they used to mock pacifist socialists at the time for not being as extreme and violent as they are. Socialism as a concept has a lot of different interpretations, but Marxism? Not so much.
Potentially violent revolution =/= authoritarian. Also Marx believed that in more democratic and free nations that nonviolent ways of achieving communism was actually plausible, he just didn’t believe so for most of the world. He just had very little faith in existing power structures allowing the proletariat majority to take power away from them nonviolently, especially outside of a few already very “left” leaning democracies.
Damn dude, stop making me argue in favor of pure Marxism, I’m not even a communist, I’m just a bit left of social Democrats personally.
Marxism didn’t stop at the revolution though. Marxism can be simplified to 3 overarching steps:
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A violent revolution that overthrows capitalism where the economy is seized, capitalists are eliminated, and capitalist institutions are burned down (literally and metaphorically).
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The dictatorship of the proletariat is established. This is where a transitional authoritarian socialist government takes hold of the states and rules with an iron fist to establish socialism and bring about the social climate necessary to achieve communism by any means necessary.
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Actually realize communism
Since step 3 is a utopia that won’t ever happen, the ideology will always end up at step two. That’s why every single Marxist attempt that hasn’t failed during the revolution phase will inevitably hit a brick wall when a the tyrannical transitional government gets hold and never leaves. All the tyrannical regimes we’ve seen aren’t coincidences, they’re an integral part of the Marxist ideology. Maoist China is what Marxism looks like when it’s implemented down to the letter… and it ain’t pretty. Again, both Marx and Engels were both very vocal and notorious authoritarians who specifically advocated for this stuff. They went out of their way to mock and criticize pacifist socialists who wanted to make progress without bloodshed via things like reform. This isn’t some secret, it’s pretty well documented.
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And where will you be? Standing on the sidelines letting it happen, or will you be the one to pull the trigger?
probably getting shot for not wearing enough religious flair. Any half decent strategist knows you only choose the quick path when you have overwhelming power.
I would encourage Fascists and Marxist to destroy each other so the world can finally be free of these two parasitic ideologies.
I know right, neoliberalism is utopia. /s
Sure beats Marxism and Fascism
Sure beats Marxism and Fascism
Rich… considering it’s coming from somebody who understands neither.
There’s a 100% chance that I know more about than you… You know since I’ve actually studied both in college. But I’m sure an armchair professor such yourself with a PhD from Lemmy’s echo chambers knows better than my professors.
You know since I’ve actually studied both in college.
Which college was that? Prager U, maybe?
If you did, you’d actually sound as if you knew anything about the subject matter at hand.
But you don’t - which means you didn’t.
How?
Well it’s quite simple really, you have three choices:
Fascism: A failed murderous ideology in both theory and practice that has killed tens of million and has done nothing but bring tyranny, poverty, famine, hate, and genocide everywhere it went.
Marxism: A failed murderous ideology in both theory and practice that has killed tens of million and has done nothing but bring tyranny, poverty, famine, hate, and genocide everywhere it went.
Neoliberalism: A very flawed ideology that takes economic freedom to an extreme and puts too much faith in unregulated free markets.
Sounds like a no brainer choice to me.
Broad generalizations, I can’t argue against that. Defeated by vaguery again.
Your biases are showing, honey.
It’s killing us slower?
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Wish the people emulating (knowingly or unknowingly) the ideology of Ernst Thälmann would look a little harder at how that worked out for both Germany and him.
Tankie in 1956: Getting into your T-90 and driving across the Hungarian border to brutally suppress an uprising of (coughnationalcough) socialists protesting Soviet occupation
Tankie in 2024: Getting into your PSA Bronto and doing donuts in your neighborhood cul de sac blaring “Don’t Vote for Joe Biden” out of a megaphone, until police show up and drag you off to prison for violating a noise ordinance.
I thought tankies live in countries like China and Russia.
Can you define US tankies please?
Has anyone else noticed that a shit ton of .ml bots have been very active here over the last day or so? These accounts aren’t new. But they also haven’t been active in these communities.
Harris may replace Biden and they have to try to get people predisposed to not voting for Harris either.
Its really funny too because they think saying “Tankie just means people I dont agree with” doesnt immediately out them as a Tankie trying to muddy the waters. Thanks for letting me know you’re actually a hexbear!
Reminds me of when Hexbear would flood into any political discussion to sow discord and chaos.
Sew it into what?
I mean, you can even see them self-identifying as tankies in this very thread. But okay.
Is “Tankies” a new term? I’ve never heard it before a week or two ago.
It’s decades old. Refers to people who support communist regimes regardless of what they do. Originally because the Soviet Union used tanks to quell rebellion and some people in the west still cheered for them.
I believe it was coined by the British left when the USSR quashed the Hungarian revolution by driving tanks through their streets. Anyone still in support of them is deemed a “tankie.” Nowadays it was meant to criticize authoritarian communists.
when the USSR quashed the Hungarian revolution
quashed the Hungarian communist (democratic worker) revolution; lowercase.
Right, right, they were like “you’re not doing it right!”
Was it from the Soviet Union? I always assumed it was a reference to justifying Tianamen Square.
I guess that more you know.
Yup, it even predates Tiananmen Square by a few decades IIRC
you being funny? It’s 68 years old this autumn.
I apologize I’m only up to ‘s’ in my quest to memoriz3 every fucking word ever used in the English language. 🙄 The fuckin word, “meme” is like a million years old. It doesn’t mean it was as regularly used in conversation before social media. On a different note, for how many other languages use Lemy how would you know English is my primary language?
I’ve seen it a lot more often after joining lemmy
That is because you joined a social media platform made by socialists.
Yup, when I first joined I wanted to join lemmy.ml because “oh I like machine learning”.
Those were the days…
Expecting ML to mean machine learning, when signing on to lemmy, must have lead to confusion, maybe shock.
Ah yes. Lemmy.ml, the instance about machine learning…
Havent heard that one.
It’s members certainly talk like chatgpt
I picked it because it had open signups and were high up in some random list, I promptly switched lol
You shouldn’t be getting downvoted for asking a question. Asking genuine questions are good
The current use of it to mean “people I disagree with” is.
Lmao
I started to see the term around the time of the Russian invasion of ukraine
Is that when you joined Lemmy? Because Lemmy is infested with Tankies, and you’ll hear someone calling them out before long
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No, but considering Lemmy overall has grown 5800% in active monthly users in the first month the Reddit protests began, it’s safe to assume most people haven’t been here much longer than that lol. How long have you b3en using Lemy? 20 years? 50 years? Lol /s
I joined during the Reddit migration and ended up dealing with Tankies almost immediately. Before Lemmy I always thought most Communists would claim that true communism hasnt happened yet, I was NOT expecting people who aggressively protected safe spaces and didnt allow any level of words that could be considered slurs to think that Russia and China have done nothing wrong and are super great countries
Yeah I have been hearing the word “tankies” thrown around since joining during the great migration, too. I still don’t understand what the term means lol
Its a communist who thinks Russia and China are ideals to follow, easy enough to understand.
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Now I kinda want to start a community called c/illiterate or c/incommunicado 😄
Love the idea of the community. It hurts my brain if I stare at it too long, but in a good way.
One of the awesome things about a community like this is that when tankies post their unironic takes, we can just pretend to agree with them and make them look like fools.
Yeah let’s spread their memes and upvote their content ironically #lol #pwned #trolled
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Tankies, famous for their… opposition to genocide?
Also, is “Everyone I disagree with is a Tankie” the mid-Left’s new “Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi?”
Tankies, famous for their… opposition to genocide?
Famous for using real issues to push shitty accelerationist solutions.
One thing that doesn’t make sense, as if there were only one, is how societal collapse will somehow lead to communism. If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries. The Great Depression would be a hopeful outlook. Rarely do I have the chance to say that I sincerely don’t want to eat people to survive.
If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries.
I’ve said that to Tankies before and they’ve told me that’s a necessary sacrifice.
Yep the correct response to that is always you first comrade. They’re so comfortable with the sacrificing the lives of others. But they would s*** their drawers if that was asked of them.
Because they know they’re probably not gonna be the ones starving.
Crashing through collapse into fascism probably looks like a wonderful idea when you’re sitting pretty outside the blast radius.
They come from a very privileged position. I pointed that out to one of them recently and their response was, “is the privilege in the room with you right now?” That takes some heavy cognitive dissonance to claim to be a communist but mock the idea of privilege.
This is because they look at very surface level cause and effect often even swapping in correlation for cause and running with it. It was the same way during COVID with “let the old and weak die to make humanity stronger!”… technically true…it is the INSANE NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS that would change causing normal people concern. Between that mindset, belief over facts, and lack of empathy, they can self-dilude into any “alternate truth” they need to not feel the pain of being wrong or changing their ways.
It’s a theory of Stalinism from the immediate post war that basically amounted to throwing a fit that the US stabilized half of Europe with the Marshall Plan. So now they think letting capitalist societies collapse somehow magically makes communism happen.
If Tankies oppose genocide, they have a funny way of showing it with their support of the CCP.
And of the candidate who almost certainly will bring some degree of Genocide to the US while also intensifying it in Ukraine and Gaza.
We’re currently in harm reduction mode. We have been since the DNC picked Hilary over Bernie and then lost the election to Trump. We need to rally around the “not Trump” guy so we can keep Democracy going. Will it be rainbows and puppy dogs under Biden? No, it’s going to be keeping the status quo and not losing an extra 2% of our population to another pandemic or worse under Trump.
doesn’t address literally any of my comment lol. i cant conclude anything but you meant that reply for someone else. boy, you sure got egg on ur face L.M.A.O.
You’re right. They didn’t address your strawman. Instead, they addressed the actual discussion at hand.
strawman
It’s literally… in the picture… like, at the top of your screen…
The word “genocide” is not in the image OP posted. It’s an obvious strawman.
They didn’t address your comment because you’re not worth addressing except to call out and shame for being willingly and enthusiastically complicit in dismantling our democratic rights.
Not even insults are worth the time, the only way you’re worth being referred to is as a collaborationist.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d did you see what Trump wants from Israel? Biden is a known entity, Trump is going to root for Israel to take Palestine. Probably an acceleration of the current genocide happening.
No, they are perfectly okay with genocide. As long as Papa Putin and and Winnie the Pooh Bear the ones doing it.
You literally just quoted a kvetch the fascists came up with to deflect accusations that they’re fascists by appealing to centrist sensibilities about keeping debates open.
You of all people should frankly be fucking ashamed to be openly using Nazi rhetoric to try and defend the indefensible.
Also, is “Everyone I disagree with is a Tankie” the mid-Left’s new “Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi?”
I mean, it’s not like there aren’t Tankies. Surely if you’ve run across them if you’ve been on Lemmy over a year.
Try again ppboy.
It’s always easier to be the hero of the story when you reject reality and substitute your own in its place. The only problem with this is that everyone else still lives in the reality you rejected.
And they think you look foolish.
Judging from the hugbox of this “mutual admiration society,” it does appear to be the new epithet.
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This place is fucking illiterate
The rise of MAGA communism has so much weird meme magic. It’s surreal.
yeah, let‘s not fall for this tankie narrative. It doesn‘t exist.
yeah, let‘s not fall for this tankie narrative. It doesn‘t exist.
But it’s intellectually SO MUCH easier!
Y’all don’t even know what tankies are anymore.
I even saw the original comment. Can’t remember where though.
Que all liberals on lemmy.world falling over each other to prove they don’t actually have a clue what a tankie even is…
*Cue
My mind is kinda blown by this. I always thought it was “queue”, so “queue all liberals saying such and such” would be like “all liberals are going to line up to say such and such”, but cue works!
I consider myself corrected, smartypants.
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Maybe privileged white kids need to stop pitching a fit whenever they ignore the chance the party is practically handing to them every time a primary is held?
AOC is in congress right now because of how easy it is to KO party leadership with overwhelming turnout, and yet whenever I go to cast my primary ballot for progressives all I be seein’ is senior day at the community center.
You don’t get to have better things to do on primary day and then pitch fits about who everyone that did voted for.
Where the fuck did you pull that race card from? Your ass?
Probably a better place than wherever you got the delusion that anybody but bougie upper middle class white kids are seriously pitching a fight about this shit still when the Supreme Court just endorsed Trump putting everyone else in camps as long as he calls it an “official act”
Literally nobody else could be so blinded by their privilege to not see the bigger picture as its illuminated with big neon signs and blasting an air raid siren to draw attention to itself.
Also, only a bougie white kid feels the need to call foul about “the race card.”
Man the self declared totally legit leftists in this thread just be borrowing all the neo-nazi wafflisms.
Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss I guess, might as well get that last one out of the way before Trump official acts the handmaiden’s tale into state policy.
For the next election maybe. It’s too late for this one.
That’s what primaries are for
Thank you for revealing that you are a troll so I can block you
