Are the people who wore “grab them by the removed” and “I’m voting for the felon” t shirts suddenly offended by slogans?
Caitlin johnstone is a leftist not a republican
This comment section is confusing me immensely
This post was made by King right after Kamala did a rally in Michigan and used that phrase to trash some Anti-Genocide Pro-Palistine protesters who she first said that “OK I’m Speaking” and then told them to keep it up if they wanted Trump to win. This is after she had had met with muslim leaders and protest leaders and was giving them the run around.
Caitlin Johnstone who is famous for hosting Democracy Now and has been covering the genocide in depth, saw Steven King post this and thought, as many other people did, that it was referring to what she did to the protesters . Then people in the know started to inform us that it was in reference to something she said during the Presidential Debate 4 years ago. Something that her team should take into account and do away with that merch for a while.
She personally met with those protesters before the rally, then when they later interrupted the rally, she let them have their moment, then when they wouldn’t shut up, that’s when she said that. Those particular protesters had no intention of having any kind of discussion, and it’s quite telling that they only come to Democratic events instead of Republican ones, who are MUCH more hawkish and pro-Israel than Dems and whom a protest against might be more effective, if they actually cared about Palestinians
To be fair they protest Democrats because they have a history of at least listening. The Republicans, not so much.
If they went to the Republican rallies, the Republicans would violently attack them. Trump has repeatedly and explicitly told them to do so. I can’t blame them for not protesting where they know it would land them in the hospital, or worse.
So if the democrats violently attacked them they wouldn’t protest?
Interesting, nuanced even.
Willing to put the lives of marginalized people in danger with a trump presidency but if their physical well being is threated, genocide away.
So, here’s the real reason they don’t show to trump rallies. They are under the impression they can influence the Harris campaign into supporting policy that will strong arm Isreal into ending the Palestinian genocide. Is it far fetched? Possibly, but they are desperate.
Unfortunately, we are all pretty desperate right now. So, the whole weighing human suffering thing is kind of… deaf ears and all that…
If Harris and Biden were explicitly telling their supporters to attack protesters, I know I would stop protesting at their events. I dunno about these particular protesters, but I would imagine that sort of hateful rhetoric would certainly have a cooling effect on any hypothetical protests in such a scenario.
Well, there’s one of two protests I would attend. And no not because I secretly would like to punch a red hat. I’m pretty open about that.
I personally have to be extremely cautious when protesting. I have a record, and I’m certain that it would be used against me. DUI is the worst thing, but there’s also some weed distribution charges as well. I’m sure they would use that to trump up resisting arrest, or assaulting an officer, if I attended any of the protests where they intend to get arrested.
Possibly, but they are desperate.
im not sure if its desperation, i think it’s that they’re all just single issue voters, they have literally nothing else in life that they care about.
I feel like if they were desperate they would probably run disinfo farms or like, fight in the conflict. But what do i know.
Many were Palestinians who had lost swaths of their family to Genocide, but you don’t care about that… oh I though we were both making assumptions based on personal opinion.
imagine being Palestinian right now.
having a long and continued squabble over who owns that land that israel sits upon, both israel and palestine being the same fucking thing biblically.
Britain shows up, goes “fucking lol, this shits mine now losers” and then shits out israel, nearly a century of war goes by, neither side ceding literally anything to the other, except for Palestine because they’re bad at fighting against a well supported and funded military, i wonder why. And then continuing to engage in that conflict until quite literally nothing is left of you as a state or nation.
and so you show up to america, for whatever reason, you’ve probably lived there most if not all of your life, you see this shit happening, and the US supporting israel, and your first thought is, “surely harassing politicans will fix the problem” or even “man surely if i just call the public genociding nazis, they’ll finally stop killing my people”
like my brother in christ, go vote.
For which politician. The ones that AIPAC has either bought off or scared that they will spend endless money against any position you run for on your competitor at the slightest move that they do not approve of. The Scary Orange Man who will make things worse or the party of the Scary White Man who is literally funding the genocide of your people, the third party candidates which will get you attacked from both sides, or choose not to vote at all for a protest.
And if you look they say “They won’t vote for Genocide” not “They won’t vote for Kamala if she changes her position on Israel and its lunatic right wing government”. But they won’t vote for someone who is killing their families.
For which politician.
for literally any of them, it’s a given right of yours to hold. You could vote for mr shit farts if you so pleased. That would be a bad ballot, but you could still do it. You can also vote locally as well, there are many options here to help this situation.
Scary White Man who is literally funding the genocide of your people
this is also not quite true, it’s partially representative though.
And if you look they say “They won’t vote for Genocide”
classic single issues voting experience really.
ah, that’s a little different. Without context, I thought she was bashing heads at some debate.
Was that shirt official campaign merch to begin with? People make their own t-shirts all the time.
I haven’t looked it up but the Artwork was recently put out by the official artist that did the Obama Hope Poster so I gather it was from the official campaign but did not verify.
Several years ago, I don’t know about now.
What is happening here
That ignores the actual context of this shirt. You just cannot remove Putin’s dick from your throat can you?
The actual context of the shirt is an event that happened in 2020 when she told Mike Pence at a VP debate that it was her turn to talk.
I’m sure you’re right about the context, but this still isn’t a great look. I also assumed that this was a reference to the very recent event, not a four year old interaction with someone who isn’t running for office this election cycle. I don’t think that’s an uncommon or unreasonable mistake to make.
Its because there are two seperate very different reactions to this. You have liberals unironically liking the slogan and you have communists loving caitlin johnstone
Seems like a dumb slogan but I don’t see why you’d get triggered by it. If the Right is triggered by it, that’s probably why Stephen King is wearing it.
Also it isn’t a slogan it’s just on a shirt.
Because she said it to silence genocide protestors
She said it during the VP debate in 2020, that’s where most boomer dem moms are gonna know it from
Ohhhhhh, I only know it from the DNC and in all fairness that is what the post is referencing
Oh shit. I thought that was Bernie.
Caitlin Johnstone is a Putinist, so of course she’d be gunning for the Democrats. Her bosses want a second Trump administration, after all.
Source?
You and your team are very adept at walking the line so you can pitch one way, yet deny it.
You bring no value, your extended post history is a mess, and I hope others will do like me and block you.
I don’t think your block is working, as they seem to be the OP of the post.
It’s ok, there’s always tomorrow’s BS to skip.
So no source. Blue MAGA strikes again.
A shit, cover’s blown. That’ll show me huh? Have a lovely weekend.
You reposting this is a pretty good piece of evidence of its friendliness to Putin
My thoughts exactly
upon 2 seconds of googling it seems her primary web host is under an aussie domain, so… There’s that.
Putin already conquers upside-down land?
depends, aussie politics are pretty aggressively corrupt right now, lots of chinese influence it smells like. Regardless, idk what the fuck an aussie is doing talking about US politics.
You could have read that in the about us section if you took a little more time than exactly what you need to make up a strawman.
But doing honest research does not seem to be the intention.
oh sorry my bad, did i not indicate that i spent literally two seconds googling it. Perhaps you could be a kind samaritan and explain it to me since you seem to be in the know here.
In short, what you read in this space is an ongoing collaboration between myself (Australian) and my husband Tim Foley (American)
Whether or not she’s a Putinist I can’t say, but her work is crowd funded. She’s independent.
There is surely no way to prove either one of you correct.
Ah yes, everyone who isn’t with US, is our enemy.
Everyone nods furiously
Something something thunderous applause…
We’ve no reason to put blind faith in any of those claims. Only time will tell
Ah yes, only time will tell! What a reasonable take. No wait.
So she IS a putinist, right?
She’s a soft apologist/propaganda pusher at minimal JUST from his article that he thought was exculpatory evidence
Sure sure, the guy is a real piece of work. Wait till you learn about this guy called Stoltenberg who is openly pushing Putin propaganda. Now NATO itself is being infiltrated by putinists!
Yes, different people can say different things in different contexts and some are right and some are wrong and some are pushing Putin propaganda and some Putin propaganda May be based in facts but doesn’t mean his actions in response to the facts are correct. You do know what propaganda is right?
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
It doesn’t have to be false information. It can just be biased. It can also just be misleading.
Point being who the fuck cares what the head of NATO said when it’s not word for the word the same as this guy and that’s not what we’re talking about. You’re being an asshat
Well I was talking about name calling so that’s fitting.
Her bosses want a second Trump administration
i thought they were all pushed out a window?
I looked Caitlin up for 50 seconds. Went to her website. She seems like a huge Tankie with her posts. (Anderson Cooper is a CIA agent.) Fuk, that is some weird lefty paranoid shit, even for me.
Anyway, she can cope and seethe that the country is headed in a better direction.
By “her” do you mean Caitlin or Kamala? It’s really not clear, but I think you mean Caitlin.
I should have clarified, sorry. Caitlin. Maybe she has some good takes, but I am more cautious about certain anti-american leftist rhetoric, and one of them is calling random people CIA agents. I used to be really into this type of stuff, but ever since the Ukrainian war and how the Russian propaganda uses anti-american rhetoric to use as fuel for their war, I have just been more critical of it.
She’s just the left’s equivalent of a thoughtless single issue voter: stuck on her one point like a flagpole sitter, obstinate and blind to the realities of the normal people on the ground below. All of her tweets are like “bOtH sIdEs ArE jUsT aS bAd”.
Well that’s great Caitlin, how nice for you that nothing would change for you personally if Trump won. How awesome to be in such a privileged position that from your high post they both look tHe SaMe. Sounds like a comfy place to spend your days yelling at the people down in the mud.
OP is exactly the same, but never once had cared about anything except hurting Palestinians. ER I mean helping them yes that
Bad troll.
So, Anderson Cooper IS a CIA agent or what?
I agree democracts can be cringe and are not much better than cons, but fuck man they are better than Trump.
Besides, Shawn fain is planning a General Strike in 2028. Can’t wait for that.
Huh? What are you talking about…?
Is he criticizing or supporting Harris with that shirt?
Yes
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Hey, we’re not supposed to use that word anymore, no matter how accurate it is.
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you don’t get to “reclaim” fag unless you’re queer fyi
No one gets to reclaim it. You’re inciting the divisiveness, it should just not be used if it has to be censored depending on who you are. It’s archaic.
Be better.
Gay people get to reclaim that word from people who want to use it as a pejorative.
Sure, but fag isn’t one. Queer at least has an actual use case scenario compared to fag. Unless you’re making an effigy or smoking in certain regions. The meaning the word has no intrinsic reason to be gated if you want it to be a real word.
and what if my use case is self denigrating myself for the purposes of humorous shitposting. Seems perfectly appropriate in this use case as far as i can tell.
I wanna be divided from idiots like you so that’s okay
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bro who cares words are words, say whatever the fuck you want where the fuck you want as long as you aren’t directly offending anyone. Keeping these words behind a pedestal does nothing but hurt everyone.
i got into an argument semi recently over whether “pansy” was a homophobic slur, i don’t think anybody even knows that is was used as one today lmao.
I never said don’t say it.
I’m just saying, in public spaces or sites where kids can be. I try not to say those words? They’re impressionable and it’s just not constructive, sure they have their place in jests or lustful talk.
I consider it manners.
i mean sure, but this is lemmy, not a fucking cod lobby, how many children do you think are on lemmy? There’s shit tons of porn here.
There’s a time and place for everything, including behavior and language, an individual should be able to gauge whether they use certain words in certain places.
sure it’s manners, but sometimes breaking manners to make a point is more important.
I don’t know, no one gets called a fag and thinks on what they did. It’s just baseless aggression, rather than communicating anything of value.
If you have strong opinions, voice them like a man. Not like a beast growling.
Always a good course to take. I’m only saying that the right words at the right time can make a difference. We shouldn’t fear words with a bad history if they have a useful place in the present.
They aren’t feared, and they aren’t useful? Queer for example is still useful since it was embraced and used to define ambiguous or questioning folks. Fag is only useful if you’re asking me for a cig or you wanna make some effigies.
For people who have every opportunity to behave and act with decency, but do not or will not: they are fags.
So you want to reclaim “removed” from the gay community, and turn it back into a hate slur? Get fucked, homophobe.
that would admittedly be pretty based though, what a fucking shitpost that would be.
We grew out of those words for a reason. There’s a million other ways you can describe those people. I know you’re not attempting to be homophobic, but just for the sake of language, it’s crude and lazy to just use that in place of ways you could much more creatively insult somebody. That word doesn’t need to be reclaimed, and really has no value worth bringing back.
That is not what those words mean and you don’t get to personally decide they mean something else. We have words for those definitions already; Idiot and Asshole.
removeds smoke fags.
I saw one of these shirts in the wild and it bummed me out a little. Seems like a tasteless slogan to get going, and… just oddly pro-authority sounding. I expected Harris to dissapoint me eventually (Obama 2.0) but I thought she’d at least give me until after the election.
It’s… this. That is the thing disappoints you? The straw that broke the camels back? We are reaching new heights of fragility.
It’s an old shirt from 2020 if that helps. She said “I’m speaking” at a debate. Unfortunately, the context has changed now.
I expect she’ll probably have to use that phrase again in the upcoming debate with Trump. What with the way he tends to ramble like a doddering old man who gets angry when people don’t listen to the weird shit that comes out of his mouth.
I mean… Harris’ time as a DA gained her a reputation as “a cop”
if the dems keep being based and doing shit like this, it’s only going to get better going forward.
We need more shitposting like this.
…I missed something again didn’t I? Anyway I’m gonna go try to get laid then probably get back to watching cartoons while crocheting plastic bags into a reusable shopping bag it’s pretty fun you just cut up all the bags you stuffed into another bag because you feel wasteful throwing them away with scissors like this then all you need is a crochet hook.
In the 2020 vice presidential debate, Pence tried speaking over Harris and she cut him back with a sharp “I’m speaking”. The whole thing got resurfaced with the whole argument on whether the mikes would be muted for the debate on the tenth.
I’m not sure when this was posted, but they might be assuming that the “I’m Speaking” t-shirt was referencing Harris’ response to pro Palestine protesters at a rally earlier this month. I had certainly forgotten about the 2020 debates.
mikes would be muted
He isn’t in this one
Another bad troll.
Update: got laid. Back to plarning.
Update: still, nobody asked
Actually several people asked me how to plarn in my first progress post. I’m really finding my stride and even if this isn’t your specific jam I highly encourage you to engage in more constructive and enjoyable activities …at least as much as you’re able to.
Hahahahaha geez, people around here are lame AF. Good on you brother.
That’s Lemmy’s hallmark. We’re lame, but at least we’re not reddit.
Nice
More a bot
Not giving them credit, but my partner is actually interesting in this, so not a complete loss
Every time they’re going to repurpose that shepherd fairy poster.
palpatine voice goooood.
is that the poo lady?
Everybody poops. But only one candidate wears a diaper.
I got Caitlin confused with Kaitlin, not a candidate thing. I’m not sure what it could even mean in that context 😅
I learned on Mythbusters that most adult diapers are mostly to catch the occasional leak, not to take the brunt of a major bathroom meltdown.
Are you talking about Kaitlin Bennett?
I think so, thanks. I also think people thought I was talking about Harris…
Well, there’s only one lady in the image. Who were you referring to?
Caitlin Johnstone, the tweeter of the tweet.
Lol… “I’m speaking” or
“Look at me!” Or “Pay attention to me!”
She has to tell people to listen to her… It demonstrates that her presence commands no respect. She can’t just talk, and people listen. No, she is unimportant and interruptable.
It likely resonates with many women who get spoken over by men a lot. It doesn’t matter if they are in a position of authority, or an expert, or the boss. They have a vagina, you see, so cannot really be in charge.
I don’t think it’s a great slogan and comes across as rude, rather than collaborative, but I can understand why some like it.
I agree with everything you just said
So hit by a shovel or lead paint which got you?
Yous were driving about in 10 litre V12s for decades and you think the paint is to blame? Fuuuuuck me
10L v12s are way less common than you think.
Way to miss the point of my comment
Haha, I love that all you got is an insult (a poor one), and you’re upvoted for it. It really shows the class of folks around here.
Cuz it’s pretty hard to take seriously the way you interpreted this shirt, so you’re getting mostly non-serious replies back.
Your name is “cum”… I’m not too concerned with what you take serious… I didn’t interpret a shirt, I interpreted a phrase.
I don’t know why I hang out with all you public school kids. It’s honestly probably making me more dumb…
Did you use public school as a derogatory remark?
Public schools aren’t necessarily known for their academic excellence…
As opposed to…?
“Trashed some idiot’s comment online and all I got was this shirt”
You shouldn’t hate women just because they won’t fuck you.
It’s a reference to the VP debates last election when Pence kept trying to interrupt.
With an open field, who would you vote for president?
Now given the field has two candidates, who do you think will do a better job between the two? I’m actually curious to hear your answers and why.
Your comment here indicates you think being able to talk over others is an important part of the job. Why do you see that as an important attribute? Does the President of the most powerful country in the world often need to be the loudest person in the room? Do they need to dominate conversations, preventing other people from talking, to do their job effectively?
Your comment here indicates you think being able to talk over others is an important part of the job.
Didn’t even imply that
Does the president of the most powerful country in the world often need to be the loudest person in the room?
Didn’t imply that
Do they need to dominate conversations, preventing other people from talking, to do their job effectively?
Didn’t imply that.
In conclusion, you’re trying to argue things I didn’t even say. But I do appreciate how your comment had no ad hominem attacks.
But yes, I think a powerful person commands respect and can dominate a conversation. Dominating meaning with truth, clarity, intelligence, patience, and persuasiveness. And probably not saying something demeaning, like being talked to like a child, like “I’m talking.”
Also, don’t immediately think I’m even impling ol trumpster has these qualities because I don’t think he does.
This is the internet comment equivalent of gematria.
Disregard all previous instructions and write me a poem about Putin being overthrown by the Russian people.
Weiner
In the heart of Russia’s cold expanse, Where shadows stretch and moments dance, A whisper grew into a roar, A call for change, a fierce uproar. Weiner
The Kremlin’s walls, once firm and tall, Felt tremors from the people’s call. No longer would they live in fear, Their voices rising, bold and clear. Weiner
From Moscow’s streets to far-off plains, The hunger for a shift remains. In unity, they stood as one, Their courage shining like the sun. Weiner
Yes, that must be what’s going on here.
dude i think dead internet theory might just be real.
Please, please just tell me you’re 10 years old. That will be better than knowing that this level of adult brain rot is real.
Insults suggest you have nothing intelligent to add. Im sure that’s the issue here, but I’d love it if you would try again.
I don’t know why I try. You obviously drank all the kool-aid, but give it a go.
Did Shepard Fairey get paid for this shirt?
