I sincerely think that someone parked in the bike lane (or fire lane or other places you’re not supposed to park for safety) should forfeit the protection of law. While your car is there, anyone inconvenienced by it should be allowed to just do whatever.
People are like “well I was just there for a minute!” and I’m like it takes less than a minute for a cyclist to swerve around the ill-placed car, get hit by some other car, and die, so that doesn’t seem convincing.
I just don’t care that you need your car to be there for personal convenience. Deal with it instead of making it everyone else’s problem.
I used to walk and take public transportation or bike just about everywhere. Then I became disabled and had to go back to mostly using a car. Even with my mobility disability, I would never, ever park in a bike lane, double park, park in a fire truck zone, etc. If there is no parking close enough to where I’m trying to go? I don’t go there. If it’s that important, I’ll go back another time and try again.
It’s not that hard to not be a dick inconveniencing everybody around you.
Hell, just yesterday I had to change my restaurant plans because I wouldn’t have been able to walk the distance required to get to the restaurant because there wasn’t any parking nearby. Not a big deal.
If you’re just there a minute, there is a correspondingly small chance someone will come along and do something to the car that inconvenienced or endangered them. It all works out just fine. Roll the dice.
I don’t think I understand. You want me to roll the dice with my life going around their car, so they can have an easier time getting coffee?
OP was clearly referring to car drivers.
Someone should invent a front-side “luggage rack” (battering ram) for a bike that they can pull out to accidentally ram into vehicles left in the bike lane.
Or maybe everybody should breathe through their pants, calm down a bit, share the road, that kinda stuff.
breathe through their pants
…fart?
The largest single project in the world is the US National Highway System, and yet, somehow, all our public transit and trans-national train services suck.
You must love your car so much.
Great info, nice to meet you too.
As a car owner, this is an insane take. Burning the car would be so much worse for the environment. You should only get to burn the driver.
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Yup, quality post we got here guys. I haven’t even had a cup of coffee yet.
Look, if we in ‘fuckcars’ can’t agree on entirely reasonable things like setting fire to cars parked in bike lanes, what are we even doing? 😂
Ha, I get it. Lots of stuff here is posted super seriously. It’s easy to incite this community where it spills over into others.
I suppose the joke part of this didn’t sink in. I refer to my earlier comment about lack of coffee. :)
Ever try blowing up a car and burn your mouth on the exhaust? No, be reasonable…you set it on fire!
Wait, are you meaning to imply no one has ever suggested drivers should be allowed to run over protesters in then us? Bills submitted to red-state legislatures have made news.
Are you sure you want to try to take this hill?
I love my car, its my home away from home, but I’m all for burning cars that park in place they’re not supposed to, like bike lanes and bus stops, it’s not hard to park your car in a designated area you lazy fucks.
Fuck around and find out!
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Most cars can’t handle going off-road so it really isn’t true freedom of movement.
If I never had to drive again, I’d be so happy. My job requires I drive :(
I gotta say, I’m really lucky where I am now. I’m in a PhD program right now. My husband and I moved to a college town from the big sprawling traffic nightmare that is Houston a few years back. He’s able to work from home; I’m able to bike or take the bus to campus. We have just one car for the household, and we get gas once every couple months. It’s glorious.
Yeah, that sounds really nice. I work construction so almost every site is hard to reach with public transportation or, too far for biking.
My best option is to get a very fuel efficient vehicle or, a motorcycle lol
Another example of employer shifting economic costs on the worker.
With increasing cost to operate a vehicle in the US, i not sure how long the expectation that worker must own a car to drive where employers needs can last.
Cars are getting expensive, having every adult operate one is bad for family finances.
ALSO it should be legal for me to plow other cars out of my way because they are blocking my path.
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The moment the protestors barricade your doors and physically prevent you from leaving your vehicle.
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You’re talking about an absurd fantasy.
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I’d call it absurd to think it’s acceptable to murder people with a car due to a minor inconvenience and then celebrate it like you are. Pretty disgusting, too.
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I suggest you take a look in the mirror and then take your own advice
I guess it’s all criminals leaving these signs around then.
Theft requires the intent to permanently deprive, not the intent to momentarily inconvenience.
The same point where you are detained for kidnapping for forcing the other cars to stop in traffic.
Next time there is a jam, just throw everyone in jail for kidnapping each other.
The difference between a traffic jam and protestors blocking traffic is intent.
I take it none of you passed high school civics?
If you know there’s going to be a traffic jam at 5PM on the I-Fuckit, aggravated by your presence, is that not intent or, at the very least, gross negligence?
Is that the drivers’ fault, or the highway engineers’ fault? Why isn’t the highway designed to handle anticipated traffic?
Because as numerous studies have proven, there is no road design for individual cars that alleviates traffic. Period. The design doesn’t exist. Actually addressing traffic would involve severely reducing car lanes and vastly expanding public transit.
Now, if you want to propose going after the car and oil companies that pushed car-centric development starting in the early 20th century and continued despite knowing climate change was real and that car centric development was a major contributor, I’m sure everyone in this group will agree with you.
At some point you have to take responsibility for your own actions.
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At this point it’s clear you’re just trolling.
The guy who thinks being delayed by a protest is tantamount to kidnapping and murdering is casting aspersions on other’s education.
At what point do carbrains become liable for destroying the environment?
I would say the very second passenger car traffic exceeds the environmental impact of the cruise industry. How much environmental damage does Carnival Cruise Lines do compared to all the highway traffic in the United States? We’re talking an entirely recreational industry here, if all cruise ships disappeared tomorrow society would keep right on rolling. Cases of norovirus would decrease.
You want passenger rail to increase in the United States? Great. Let’s start with Amtrak’s website. I live within walking distance of an active Amtrak station. Several times in my life I’ve had a want or need to travel cross country, and it occurred to me “I wonder if I could take the train.” The answer, inevitably, is no. I go to Amtrak’s website, pick a starting station and a destination station, and usually they outright can’t plan a trip between those locations. Not even capable of saying things like “take the Silver Star to Grand Central station in New York, wait 8 hours, then take the Lake Shore Limited to Chicago.” It proved to be less work on my part to drive, fly as a passenger on an airliner, and fly as pilot of a Cessna, than take the train in this country.
And what part of that is my personal fault?
Oh, well, if others are worse then I guess you’re not doing anything wrong.
If you’ve got to lose weight, you cut out the fat, not the muscle.
If you care about the environment, target the worst, least necessary things first. You don’t genuinely care about the environment though.
You got me, I don’t give a shit about the environment, unlike you, the biggest tree-hugger in the world.
You will if we manage to trigger another mass extinction due to dying seas and you choke to death on clouds of hydrogen sulfide. Or you will care about the environment as you starve to death after our global breadbaskets collapse due to skyrocketing temperatures. We already have WW2-level casualties locked in due to climate by the end of the century. Our efforts right now are trying to keep them merely to WW2-levels, rather than “global nuclear war” levels.
You do not live independent of this planet’s biosphere. You are an animal that exists atop a vast pyramid of life below you, and you are completely and utterly dependent on the services of life below you provides. You are like a CEO saying, “I don’t care what happens to the people I employ. If they die, I’ll be fine.”
Ignorant. Suicidal. Hubris.
My dude, I’m as autistic as the next person on this website, but even I gotta say: You will not make it on the internet if you don’t learn to recognize sarcasm.
Cars not only kill the planet, but they are erode society so they are far worse than cruise ships imo.
Nothing’s stopping a driver from getting out of their car and walking away. So never.
So I ask again, did the protesters just steal a car?
…no. if you leave your car somewhere is it stolen?
If I leave my car somewhere because a group of people gave me no choice but to do so, yes it is stolen.
Are you planning to do this? Do I need to contact the authorities?
For kidnapping, the person would have to sequester you and not let you leave. For stealing, they would have to physically take you car. It would probably get towed but I’d hardly consider that stealing.
I get the point you’re trying to make but the way you are going about it is kind of silly.
It’s also important to note that blocking traffic is a form of peaceful protest. If our politicians would listen to strongly worded letters or what the population wants, they wouldn’t be needed.
Stop being part of the problem. Learn what’s in your best interest and stop being easily manipulated. Like how often do you get caught in traffic because of a protest? I bet it hasn’t even happened to you but the media told you to be mad about it so you are.
So its robbery then.
No. It would be robbery if they stole your car. If you had to leave your vehicle and walk away, and your vehicle was subsequently towed, you might be able to sue them in court for the cost of towing and impounding your vehicle and maybe something for your time. But never would it arise to kidnapping or theft as a criminal matter. You are not your vehicle. It is only kidnapping or false imprisonment if you, your own physical person, are prohibited from leaving.
You must leave $20000 in my care else you cannot leave. Sounds like extortion.
You’re in c/fuckcars buddy. Read the room.
Or when is blocking an ambulance murder?
Never
Teenagers took over lemmy, clearly.
“Bbut he said …, and then I said …, ha!”
I wish I was a teenager. I’m as far from a teenager as a teenager is from an infant! Obviously you’ve never been in a bike lane, a car parked in front of you, dense traffic whizzing by to the left of you. If you had, you want to start setting things on fire as well.
I don’t. I want regulations and fines.
But where I live you will get a hefty fine for parking in a bike lane, and after some repeated offenses you’ll be sent for a driver’s re-education with your license being suspended till you’re done. So, I do occasionally see a car being parked in a bike lane. And I don’t wanna burn them. I remember I voted for the right party in the last elections, and that I live in the country where law and order prevail, and that the douche will get what he deserves.
In the meantime drivers around me have the ability to see that my lane is blocked, and I have the ability to signal with my hand that I need to merge. We respectfully resolve me cycling around the parked car and I continue my journey.
It appears to me you live in a place where laws really don’t work, and so you feel desperate enough to justify property damage to those who don’t abide by some laws that you find very important. It’s a very dangerous trope. And it rarely leads to better societies.
Sure. But that assumes police see cyclists as human beings rather than vermin that deserve to be run over. And in my experience, that is usually not the case. It is rare for a driver to get so much as a ticket for murdering a cyclist with their vehicle. Hell, half the time the vehicle parked in the bike lane is a police cruiser. And most cops are so obese they would crush any bicycle they tried to ride.
Dude, you really live in a fucked up place. And I seriously think burning cars isn’t going to help. Your problems go much much deeper.
If you live in a place where police doesn’t obide by the law, you need to rally for serious structural reforms. And for law and order, instead of doing stupid illegal shit and yelling “anarchy! ACAB!”.
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Oh, sorry, I’m talking to you like you were an actual stranger. Ofc I know you’re from the default country trying to score regular circle-jerk lemmy points.
you need to rally for serious structural reforms.
American peasanta dont know what this mean dawg.
Either way, our regime doesn’t work like that anyway.
Not just allowed, but encouraged, with bounties paid out
Personally I like both ideas, I say we do a trial run for the next year and we can tally up the score then.
Who’s in?
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