Israel has sparked global outrage after dropping leaflets over the besieged Gaza Strip, warning Palestinians to either cooperate with its forces or face forced displacement or eradication. The messages, written in Arabic, carried explicit threats, including the chilling statement: “The world map will not change if all the people of Gaza cease to exist.”
The move, condemned as a psychological warfare tactic, has intensified concerns over Israel’s military campaign in Gaza, with many seeing the leaflets as an open admission of ethnic cleansing.
The threats also reference a so-called “Trump plan”, aligning with recent remarks by US President Donald Trump. who suggested the mass expulsion of Gaza’s population to neighbouring countries. The posters featured images of Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is facing accusations of war crimes and crimes against humanity and wanted by the IC
As a German I’m absolutely horrified by this cruel and inhumane repetition of history.
Imagine there are people who want you dead for existing. They tell you to leave but you have nowhere to go, because they took your home and nobody wants you. You don’t have anything and aren’t even able to leave, even if you wanted to. So they come, they kill your family and they kill you.
Now imagine there are people in other parts of the world, they have everything and they didn’t even know you, but they consider it served you right.
This world is fucked up.
They tell you to leave but
you have nowhere to go, because they took your home and nobody wants you.Actively block you from leaving and attack you when you try to leave via “safe routes”.
FTFY
genocide much?
Can I get a religious war with a side of genocide? Oh, it’s a package deal and I also get free racism? Cool.
the colonial project far supercedes religion here
What many do not know is thar Theodor Herzl and even the first Israeli prime ministers were hardcore atheists. Zionism faced much opposition from religious Jews.
How Israel Went From Atheist Zionism to Jewish State
Zionism as a national movement that rebelled against historical Judaism was mainly atheistic. … Due to the sweeping opposition of the rabbis of Germany, Theodor Herzl was forced to transfer the First Zionist Congress from Munich to the Swiss city of Basel.
But beginning with the first stages in the consolidation and settlement of the Zionist movement, it was forced to meticulously sort and thoroughly nationalize some of the religious beliefs in order to turn them into nation-building myths.
Leave-lets?
Let’s watch the zionists scramble to protect the settler colonial entity and calling the use of the word “genocide” an overreaction, or even more hilarious, antisemitic.
Fuck trump
But the guy that leveled Gaza for Trump is cool though, right?
It is entirely possible that more than one ass hole exists in the world. Having to explicitly name them all would make for a very long post.
Seeing that this entire post is about Gaza, there are 3 assholes.
“Ohh, but Billy Bob who actually pulled the trigger with a smile is cool thought, right?”
There are way more than 3, even if you just confine yourself to the members of the IDF and don’t look at any of the other factions.
Literally worse than Spez
Following through on this threat would likely result in another Arab-Israeli war.
Not with the US support that Israel has now.
Israel always had US support. The difference now are just words.
I’ve seen a couple of news articles saying the U.S. is setting itself up for another terrorist attack, but a couple of Americans have told me that’s not the case and they’re not worried about it… anyone have any insight into this they can offer?
I’ve seen a couple of news articles saying the U.S. is setting itself up for another terrorist attack
But why would the trump administration want an excuse to declare martial law?
Interesting. Thanks.
They still don’t really know why 9/11 happened, they still believe the ‘they hate us for our freedoms’ line.
Why do you think it happened?
Essentially blowback for decades of US military adventurism in the region. Bin Laden’s theory was that an attack that’s big enough would cause the US government to overreact and overreach, imploding the American Empire because Americans wouldn’t accept their civil liberties being taken away and Americans coming back from abroad in coffins.
Obviously Bin Laden was wrong about how much Americans would just be ok with everything the government ended up doing, and didn’t achieve his stated goal.
Maybe Bin’s plan will work now (even if he’s not around to see it), with how crazy Trump’s been acting? That’s actually a question.
https://www.axios.com/2025/02/14/arizona-voters-trump-elon-musk-executive-orders
Americans, on average, are totally ignorant. Don’t believe what we say lol.
Looked at the article… it’s really discouraging the way some Americans support and seem to love this guy. With everything he’s doing, do you think he’s setting the country up for another major terrorist attack?
Again, I’m an American, so don’t trust me, but…
I dunno? I could see Iran funding another assassination attempt (and I can hardly blame them if Trump goes through with the Gaza idea), and obviously there will be some holes in security agencies from firings, maybe a few local people who get pushed over the edge… but a terrorist attack seems low on our list of upcoming problems? Anti-terrorism efforts are still functioning, as far as I know.
What you might’ve seen in a lot of media is that pulling USAID and some other stuff will destabilize regions and turn some into terrorist breeding grounds, which could be true. The consquences of that may take some time to manifest though, maybe even past Trump’s term.
Hmm, you don’t sound very worried about it either… same as the other Americans I’ve asked. Like, unless I’m just not reading your tone right, I’m probably more worried about it than you are.
You’re right, I probably should be!
There’s just so much else going on! Are Trump/Musk like actually subverting the government and triggering a constitutional crisis? Is he actually gonna follow through with the crazier plans like strongarming Canada or colonizing Gaza? Are we getting pulled into a war? Will there be an economic crisis from some huge dysfunction? I am worried because Trump genuinely doesn’t seem to grasp a lot of things, especially foreign policy or technical matters, and worst case scenarios are pretty bad.
Like, if you told me, with certainty, there was a high probability of another 9/11 this month, I would freak out… But it wouldn’t even snuff out all those other stuff going on! It wouldn’t be like a Bush moment that defines his presidency and the era, it would just turn into a big controversial mess.
If it’s more like a unabomber attack or a smaller scale thing, honestly, it would blend into the stream of shock news. Trump would probably blame it on Democrats and politicize it, and everyone would take the bait. That sounds horrible, but it’s plausible.
I get what you’re saying… it’s overwhelming for us, and we’re in Canada… can’t imagine what it’s like for those of you who are right there and can see/understand what’s going on. The seeming lack of concern from some Americans makes perfect sense when you explain it that way. Thanks!
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Y’all getting the latter, definitely.
The guy’s definitely not winning any popularity contests.
As i have seen many people in the commemts who think that this was not the plan of the Democrats and that the Palestinians would be better off under Harris. Here is a range of articles from Oct. 2023 to Jan. 2024 and a recent one discussing Bidens similiar plans of ethnic cleansing and the subsequent greenlighting of genocide, when it failed.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/08/biden-gaza-restrain-israel-hamas-ethnic-cleansing/
Oh look.
The thing we said would happen is gonna happen.
I didn’t vote for Harris because Trump didn’t do genocide
I wonder where all those people are now. Because they were REALLY active leading up to the election (and shortly after).
I wonder if they realize they were wrong.
EDIT: Oh, they’re here, just had to scroll more.
At a glance, no, they don’t seem to be taking responsibility, and even still seem to be taking the moral high ground.
Which suggests it wasn’t even astroturfing…lol
Pointing this little fact out on Reddit is hilarious as people go absolutely bananas.
I say people but they’re likely bots.
It’ll be interesting to see how the media companies deny that this is an open admission of genocide.
But hey, we sure showed Biden with that protest vote. Way to go team. Instead of using continued pressure to bend the party that at least listens somewhat, we now gave Gaza the dictator who gives 0 fucks. High five. /s
Update: Complain all you want about this take. I’ve been a lefty union member all my life and I got so much shit for saying Biden would not be as bad as Trump for Gaza. I got called Blue MAGA, tankie, and other trash from my own side because I saw it for what it was. Netanyahu wanted Trump to win for a reason. Now y’all want to justify your handing the country to Trump to make a point or give me shit for calling it out. Fuck you right back. I voted Bernie in the past, Biden was never my first choice, but pretending voting for a no chance in hell fake like Jill Stein was a possible alternative is bull shit. We live in a winner take all representative Republic. Until the system is changed, every election is the lesser evil vote. In the mean time, you don’t hand the country to the oligarchy’s mascot and his fascist mob. The people of Gaza will be paying even worse, but now add Ukraine, LGBTQ+, Federal workers, unions, people of color, immigrants, and everyone making under $150,000 a year to those who will suffer worse. We needed to come together to stop Project 2025, but we had to let the perfect be the enemy of the good like always.
end the party that at least listens somewhat,
That’s funny, everyone, everyone know they don’t give a fuck what we have to say. They were willing to lose an election before listening to what we had to say. It was able time people held them accountable for refusing to represent our demands. Liberals refusing to listen gave us another round of Trump
Idk who would call you a Tankie for saying Biden is better, the Tankies support Trump.
On Lemmy.ml is where that one was flung around.
Lmao that’s a fucking Tankie instance tho
Are you interested in others being able to participate in democracy or are you only interested in commanding others to vote for your preferences?
Think only having these two unreasonable options to choose from is unfair and not a real choice? Me too, thanks.
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
100% - we need to change the system so we don’t only have two choices. Third parties winning will not happen till the system of voting is changed. That takes work outside of elections.
Several states put ranked choice balloting up for a vote in 2024, all of them voted it down except for Alaska which was a referendum on the system already in place.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/08/nx-s1-5183210/nonpartisan-primary-ranked-choice-voting-results
Portland attempted it at the city level and saw a 20% drop in voter participation on the ranked choice candidates for mayor and city council. People could not be bothered.
We had a vote on that in the UK too.
Again, shot down. Both sides put aside their differences and put full effort into killing that. Apparently it was too expensive (“we need incubators, not a fair voting system!”) and too complicated.
We will never have real democracy. They’ll never let us have it and anybody powerful enough to overthrow them won’t allow it either. It’s just wrong lizards until one of them does away with the farce.
STOP FUXKING PATTING YOURSELF ON THE BACK FOR FUCKS SAKE. All you’re doing is driving a wedge between people who oppose the genocide. Do you support the genocide? Because shit like this makes it seem like you love it because you get to say “pfft. Well this is on those people over there and I was sooo right.”
Why is this so fucking important to you? Shut the fuck up with this. Every single time there is horrifying news about Gaza. You pull out the blaming stick to say “this is the fault of thise people who didn’t like the genocide!” Shut the fuck up this isnt about you and how fuxking right your vote was.
Do something better. If you actually give a shit. Because it’s very possible you don’t and are more concerned with labeling yourself as having been right and washing your hands of the situation
For fucks sake
Stop driving a wedge into people who drove a wedge.
Quit calling out the bullshit that led us here.
It’s neat watching centrists get mad that trump is implementing their only policy.
Biden decided it was more important to send billions in weapons to israel as they committed genocide than to listen to protestors, so much so that he thought it was worth losing their votes over it. Harris continued with the same rhetoric. You’re ignoring over a year of things getting worse and worse in Palestine while insisting that somehow the democrats ignoring voters during an election when they need the votes are somehow going to make things better when they don’t need the votes. You’re admonishing people protesting against genocide in order to defend a party that has authorized billions in weapons to israel as they’re committing genocide, with Biden even bypassing congress to do so. Think about it.
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It’s nice to see centrists finally object to the genocide they cheered for a solid year under Bidenyahu.
Biden wasn’t able to hold back the tide ethnic cleansing and war crimes the IDF has inflicted on the Palestinians. It is very unlikely that a Harris win would have reigned in the killings, bombings, and all that have taken place since the election.
If you can’t understand why people would abstain from supporting one of two genocide supporting candidates who had shown no interest in making things better, you’re just as much to blame for the current US admin as those who did not vote.
Wasn’t able? He sent weapons, money and everything Netanyahu needed. Had he stopped sending money and weapons and the genocide would have stopped that very moment.
Exactly. And he didn’t. For whatever reasons he wasn’t able to do anything but allow, if not actively encourage, the actions of Netanyahu and the IDF that led to the deaths of dozens to hundreds of Israelis, and tens of thousands of Palestinians.
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And you’re too high on American exceptionalism to realise that the words coming out of the White House have zero impact on the experience of Palestians.
The war crimes, ethnic cleansing, and indeed genocide would be happening the same. The only difference is you need to make up for thinking it would be less horrific if you had a leader who’d wasn’t so mask off about it.
Okay then stfu about Trump since you think he and Biden are equivalent.
You seem to have mistaken not materially different to Palestinians as equal to equivalent.
And that I didn’t talk about the bad stuff done by Biden and Obama, and the Bushes, and (the) Clinton(s).
Maybe if the Democratic party was more willing to make more materialistic changes we wouldn’t’ve had first Trump, let alone Trump 2. It is naive to hope that, and things for American sexual and ethnic minorities would be, generally, better under democrats. But they’re a holding pattern until the Republicans get in, and Dems don’t have people’s backs.
But my original point was that if you’re so blinkered to not even be able to understand why progressives and anti-imperialist would sit out of the 2024 election, you’re not going to be able to talk them round to vote for Your Guy™ if there is an election again in the future.
Rather than understand a dissenting point of view, you dismiss and villify people you should be trying to work with and understand.
Get friendly with Black Bloc and maybe we can all make things better for everyone at home and in the Middle East.
We spent over a year using every means of pressure we had to bend the party and all we had to show for it was more billions for Israel. Nothing would have changed if we voted for the party that spent the last year ignoring our demands.
Instead, you got the party that sent 2000 lbs bombs and wants to eradicate the people of Gaza so he can build some casinos.
If you bomb a refugee camp with one 2000lbs bomb or two 1000lbs bombs, will it make any practical difference for the women and children who have their bodies blown apart or burn to death?
Biden floated a plan to displace all the Palestinians in Gaza too, but he was unable to get any Arab country to go along with it.
Trump will face the same obstacles.
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Nothing would have changed? Hahahahaha. Well you got your change. Congrats on creating even more dead Palestinian children. You seem weirdly proud of having their blood on your hands.
So almost until Biden left office, Israel was killing an average of 100 to 300 Palestinians a day. What do you think would have magically changed, if Biden had continued into a second term, or Harris had taken over who had vowed to continue Bidens policies?
You claim the Democrats would have suddenly ended their policies of over one year of genocide, despite stating the opposite. Can you please point me to the evidence that this would have happened?
As @[email protected] pointes out, Biden tried to fo for ethnic cleansing in 2023. When that met the resistance of the surrounding countries, he decided to escalate to murdering as many Palestinians he could get away with without sparking a revolt in the US.
The only difference in policy is that Trump is speaking the quiet part out loud.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/08/biden-gaza-restrain-israel-hamas-ethnic-cleansing/
The ceasefire is still ongoing, despite Israel’s provocations. I know you’re horny for more genocide so you can feel good about being “right” about the lesser evil, but so far the number of dead children has dramatically decreased since Biden was in office.
Tell me what Biden or Kamala would have done different? Remember all the red lines that functionally did nothing to US policy?
It was under biden that, we estimate because we can’t know, that ~500,000 gazans died. It was under biden that we continued to send bombs to israel even as Israel pushed the entire population into a concentration camp next to egypt.
Gaza was already under a dictator. Way to go Biden and Kamala, instead of giving a single fuck about your electorate loudly told you, you sucked the teet of pro-israel donors and it lost the election.
You fucks keep spouting this drivel but are weirdly quiet about what’s happening currently. Sure, many more Palestinian children are going to die because of your tantrum but if you just keep throwing the tantrum maybe you won’t have to look at the blood on your hands.
Because what’s currently happening is ONLY possible because of that Biden and Harris did. It’s liberals that were quiet about genocide occurring because their preferred flavor of fascism was doing it, and you want to talk about blood on your hands?
Tell me what Biden or Kamala would have done different?
This question was not answered.
For starters you can see what Trump claims to be doing different from what was being done:
Continuing weapons shipments haulted by Biden
Putting an actual literal unapologetic genocide advocate in charge
I do indeed miss the days when headlines talked about the POTUS cussing out Netanyahu, which actually happened at several different events. It’s no secret that Netanyahu showed favoritism to Trump, and it doesn’t take a fucking rocket scientist to know why.
For starters you can see what Trump claims
You believe what trump claims? Is it because he also supports genocide? And why do pro-genocide centrists always think that “Oh, You think trump is better?! HUH?!” is some sort of a fucking gotcha? We warned you that if you didn’t abandon the genocide that is the only thing any centrist has ever been capable of truly loving, YOU WOULD LOSE. You did, and you’re blaming everyone to your left for being able to read the writing on the wall.
I do indeed miss the days when headlines talked about the POTUS cussing out Netanyahu
Conveniently behind closed doors where it doesn’t matter. If we had “behind the scenes” biden instead of the biden that actually exists, we might not have trump again.
You are literally saying “you’re being quiet while throwing a tantrum”. Which is it, am I being quiet or noisy? Or is this some sort of weird quiet tantrum?
Yeah, look at how effective your strategy of running from responsibility has been. You and the DNC’s policy of blaming progressive voices IS what lost them this election. How about you keep doing that louder. Maybe you can go strike a deal with the Republicans to level just half of Gaza. Because that’s what Democrats in Congress are currently talking about. They are pissed, not because they lost, but because their constituents are calling them demanding they do more.
And they apparently think Ukrainian children are worthless.
Where are you getting this? You’re the only one mentioning Ukraine.
Yes we understand that it’s very important to you that no one mentions any of the side effects of your behavior. Your tantrum about Biden taking the hardest foreign policy stance with Israel in decades not being enough needs to justify the fact that you’re all in here gloating about how much harm you were able to cause. More genocide in more places. Your goal of more genocide, in more places, happening faster has been achieved, you evil pricks.
There’s really no reason to give genocide supporters like you the benefit of the doubt at all. Even if you’re just a cry baby with no understanding of foreign policy, it’s not a good enough excuse for the blood on your hands anymore.
Stop apologising for genocide.
Centrists have no other policy. They can’t.
You sure rattled the monkey cage with this one
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Oh good. The chosen people have chosen ethnic cleansing and genocide, being implemented by the highest ranked goy in the world.
*Biden enables genocide
Progressives: that’s fucked up, we should stop supporting Israel
Liberals: ackchually its not a genocide because they only killed a quarter of the population, and you should stay quiet about this because it’ll just help trump win
*Trump enables genocide
Progressives: that’s fucked up, we should stop supporting Israel
Liberals: I told you so, I told you so, I told you so…
Choose between two geriatric evil fuckers. Will you choose the one that pretends to care or the one that promises outright destruction. Destruction it is…
TIL Kamala is a geriatric evil fucker
Democratic primary when?
Was she a presidential contender? The dems won’t allow a progressive
They would rather lose than concede to a populous candidate
Dont accept being given two geriatric fuckers. People jumped to defend Biden when his genocide support and old age were criticised way back in march, april, may when there was plenty of time to push for a decent candidate. and that was already with spouting gaslighting lies that were likely spread by well paid strategy thinktanks.
Then Biden really drove home that he is mentally not fit for the job anymore in the debate with Trump. But also there people were still parroting nonsense like “it was just a bad day” or “he just had a cold”, until the oligarchs behind the DNC put too much pressure.
Then there was the moment to have primaries, own up to the name of the party and actually get a popular candidate. Instead the DNC and oligarchs felt threatened by the possibility and immediately put Harris there and spread the lie that she is the only one thay can take over now, it is too late to change, blablabla.
And people immediately ate the lie and repeated it. The truth is that there was plenty of time to push for a good candidate from the bottom, instead of getting the ghouls pushed from the top. Instead many people let the oligarch koolaid spin their heads, because they rather wanted a genocide than get active in any way. Now they also got Trump as a result.
The solution is to finally get active and overcome the US oligarchy alltogether.
Also, i know that the Propaganda of the DNC is strong and it spun many peoples heads to forget that Biden wanted to support ethnic cleansing of Gaza in the same way Trump does now, just without saying it out loud. When it failed, he greenlit the genocide and mass destruction that Trump now uses as an argument.
Please, dont let these genociders lies avert you from the truth of who Biden, Harris and the DNC are. They are the shiny side of the same coin of US genocidal empire politics, funded by the same oligarchy.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/08/biden-gaza-restrain-israel-hamas-ethnic-cleansing/
The deafening silence from all the people who were so noisy about gEnOcIdE in October 2024.
Clearly you haven’t read the numerous comments sections where other people have left your exact same comment.
The real deafening silence is the democrats on Electoral reform. Don’t they support democracy? Then why don’t they support changing how we vote so people can be represented by their options in the voting booth?
Are you reading all the comments? Nobody is being silent about it
Nobody is silent about this what the fuck are you even talking about?
The amount I heard the word “genocide” was much higher in October 2024.
Well, you were supporting it back then. Now that you’ve come around to opposing genocide, you’re no longer getting pushback.
The Russian checks stopped coming, so they moved on to other things now
Hey, how about instead of chastising people for telling biden/kamala they needed to pivot here you look at the DNC that took a campaign strategy of “Well, let’s ignore a huge issue because we don’t want to lose donor money”.
Trump won by unabashedly appealing to his base. Biden/Kamala lost because they ignored their base and chased after Trump’s base instead.
Way to miss the point.
What point? That trump allowed the same genocide that biden did? That functionally trump and biden had the same policy for gaza?
Tell me, how would Biden or Kamala have responded to this news? Whispering to someone “Wow, netty sure is an asshole”? Would they have actually even threatened to cut aid? What are current democrats in congress saying about this? Has any non-progressive democrat condemned this?
Yeah, that’s the point. One that you are missing. The party didn’t listen to it’s base and lost an election because of it. Gaza is just as fucked as it would have been under either presidency.
I think many people here are missing the real point underneath all of this. All the Americans who are still so delusional they believe democracy in the usa is functioning are the ones blaming voters who’s conscious wont allow them to vote for an obvious controlled opposition party. Here is the reality. Neo liberal democracy is a farce and always has been. You can not have true democracy without economic democracy. What you actually have in that case is class dictatorship.
We have a ratcheting political system. The right moves in and takes power and leverages everything as far right as they can get away with as quickly as possible, meanwhile the center right which masquerades as a “left party” with their milquetoast virtue signaling of waving pride flags and blm signaling while still supporting the main factor that allows racist ideology to flourish within policing agencies, global drug prohibition and the militarized police and surveillance state that has risen from it, while in power they make every excuse not to move the dial to the left and thus the pawl of the ratchet locks and only allows rightward movement.
The 14 traits of fascism are present in both parties. Albeit more prominently so in the maga right but its still there in the center right democrat party. Both sides are owned by the same exact wall street military and prison industry profiteers this is an undisputable fact. The only one of the 14 traits they can claim plausible deniability in regards to is fraudulent elections however there is more than enough evidence to say that the us presidential election is rigged and has been since reagan and maybe even since kenedy considering the deal that was made with the mafia to get JFK in the white house.
Now we have elon musk buying trumps election in broad daylight and star link satellite systems were connected to tabulation machines in multiple precincts but lets ignore the cybersecurity experts who have claimed that there is legitimate evidence the 2024 election was stolen. The only half truth trump may ever have told is that the 2020 election was stolen but he didn’t complain when it was rigged in his favor in 2016 because he doesn’t give a fuck about election integrity so long as he benefits from it.
It is obvious to anyone paying attention that nothing in the US will change without a revolution. The democrats fight leftward movement at every opportunity. They disenfranchised sanders voters in 2 primaries and forced tired status quo bullshit onto us and blamed us for the dnc leaks sinking Clinton and then called it Russian propaganda. This all goes back to the thirties and the wall street putsch business plot and then nixon, then Reagan killing the fairness in reporting doctrine and bush also ensuring that was not codified into law. Now we have right wing fascist apologia rags masquerading as true unbiased journalism. 90% of the media we consume all owned by 6 major corporations all circularly owned by blackrock, vangaurd state street and blackstone. Democracy in the usa is dead. If you think it’s still functioning you are naive.
Which is why the practical arm of the left promotes the Dems. Not because they are enough, or even good, but because of the two options they are the less overtly fascist. We don’t vote blue because it’s sufficient, we do it because it’s necessary to slow the descent enough for sufficient methods to take hold. Neo liberal democracy is a farce, but it’s a farce with a bad outcome and a catastrophic outcome.
We vote for bad to stave off catastrophe, so good can actually establish a foothold. Didn’t pay off this time unfortunately, now good has to be fantastic to even slide a toe in the door, and it’s a steep uphill battle at that. You’re right, fascism is definitely more prominent in the MAGA right, our job is harder than it had to be, but so it goes.
Silver lining, I guess we can lean into accelerationism now. Not my first choice, for the sake of those less financially stable than myself, but not really much option now. Send it, sure, might as well at this point. I would’ve preferred building a viable labor movement under the “stationary” part of the ratchet cycle, but we’re here now. If we’re playing the hand we’re dealt, sure, accelerationism.
Fascism lite is still fascism, fighting to support a controlled opposition group is fighting against your own self interests. Ballot box socialism/ ballot box activism is a fools errand. We are behind a point where the system will be repaired through the mechanisms of the system itself. The democratic party actively sabotages democracy to ensure class dictatorship continues at all costs.
I am one of those less stable than yourself. I have no job, i live in an old drafty rv and struggle to care for the pets i love and my partner and i. I think those who are too comfortable or comfortable enough think allowing things to continue and fighting to preserve the lesser of two evils is the best option but allowing things to continue when things are already awful we already have a fascist totalitarian police state where wage slavery is the norm where millennials like myself and the younger generations wont have the luxury of owning homes or having a retirement or even social safety nets like social security st this point. I might end up having to survive off canned food and moldy bread from food banks if trump cuts food stamps more than theyve already been cut considering inflation and rising food costs/ corporate price gouging.
Any shade of fascism is unacceptable. Voting for a slightly less awful form of fascism and blaming people who didn’t vote or voted for jill stein / delacruz is like shooting yourself in the foot because it wouldn’t let you walk off a cliff on purpose.
We are in an age where a majority of what we see is manipulated propaganda that works to silence anyone with my opinion. Look at the reaction to the extrajudicial execution of Brian Thompson / support for luigi mangione. Every social media outlet silenced users who want to see revolution. We get chastised by the “ViOlEnCe iS nEvEr ThE aNsWeR” by the same society that brought you kent state and countless other extrajudicial police state murders. If non violence were so successful then those in power wouldn’t have a need for wars or militarized police or the death penalty. These are scared hypocrites who will and can do anythinf possible to maintain their power and present the illusion that what we are seeing and interpreting is a fair and level representation of reality and not a heavily manipulated propaganda filled control mechanism.
Everyone always says its better to have that still point within the ratcheting mechanism to build resistance but its impossible And naive to believe this because the democratic party and the state/ class dictatorship actively subverts and sabotages any movement left and manufacturing the consent of the populace to accept their system and play by their rigged rules.
“Good” isn’t a natural phenomenon that just needs a little space to establish a foothold. It takes deliberate action, effort, and sacrifice. And society doesn’t magically reach a stable state. That’s ridiculous.
Each election may have a bad and a worse outcome, but it’s relative. Voting for the less-bad is a strategy that works even when both parties push toward evil. It works even when the choices are a party that supports genocide quietly and one that supports genocide loudly. If the “practical left” is just voting for the less-bad, while shitting on and shunning the people trying to do the hard work because the magical Fairy of Good hasn’t yet shown up to establish that foothold with a wave of the wand, then I question how practical and how left that faction actually is.
If the “practical left” is just voting for the less-bad, while shitting on and shunning the people trying to do the hard work because the magical Fairy of Good hasn’t yet shown up to establish that foothold with a wave of the wand
No one is doing that.
Okay, I’ll spell it out then.
Before the election, there were all sorts of people crowing about the one genocide going on that they could use to get their fascist elected, and now that that very fascist is accelerating that very genocide - fucking crickets.
Those pre-election gEnOcIdE people were being disingenous then, as is evidenced by the deafening silence now.
You are literally talking to one. And frankly, you are covering your eyes because you are uncomfortable with the fact that they are STILL protesting the genocide.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/thousands-across-the-u-s-protest-trump-policies
But go ahead and try to act like they aren’t being consistent. Cling to your conspiracy theories rather than recognizing the party needs to change to be responsive to it’s voters.
You’re the one talking about Democrats, not me.
How much effort have you put in to voicing your concerns about the Uighurs, Sudanese, Congolese? Or is it just this genocide you don’t like?
How much effort have you put in to voicing your concerns about the Uighurs, Sudanese, Congolese?
The US wasn’t sending weapons to support those genocides for you.
First, yes, I’ve complained about those.
Second, We aren’t funding any of those genocides as a matter of US policy.
Tell me what the US is supposed to do short of invading China, Sudan, or the Congo? The best you could say is more tariffs against china for the Uighurs. For the others we have basically no leverage beyond maybe USAID.
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Hi, I’m still here to point out biden was supplying israel with billions in support as they committed genocide all the way until JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. How’s that for deafening silence?
By the way, think about what impression you give off when you spongebob text the word genocide. If it helps, try doing that with The Holocaust and think about how that looks.
Hi, I’m here to point out that those arms sales were designated by many Congresses going back decades, and the deals for them were not reversible by a presidential edict, except for arms that were not for “defensive purposes,” which Biden was able to and did put a hold on … Except that House Republicans reversed that.
Biden could’ve vetoed the multiple aid bills that passed his desk with arms shipments to israel after oct 7th and after it became clear Israel was using this as an excuse to obliterate gaza.
He could’ve also enforced the leahy laws which prohibit arms shipments to countries that are suspected of using them for human rights abuses.
He didn’t do either because he is a zionist who is fine with the genocide of Palestinians.
Hi, I’m here to point out that those arms sales were designated by many Congresses going back decades
“That’s the way we’ve always done it” is a shit excuse for genocide. But any excuse will do for the genocidal.
and the deals for them were not reversible by a presidential edict
The Leahy law is RIGHT THERE.
Why would Biden bypass congress for arms sales that were “designated by many Congresses”?: https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-congress-1dc77f20aac4a797df6a2338b677da4f
israel’s campaign of genocide that it has been waging for over a year (and more accurately, since its founding) is not defensive. Biden even claimed that he’d set a red line, but then he’d pretend nothing happened when israel crossed them: https://www.npr.org/2024/05/29/nx-s1-4983786/where-is-the-biden-administrations-red-line-when-it-comes-palestinian-deaths-in-gaza
Do you think 2,000-pound bombs are used for defensive purposes?: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/
Oh, I see what you mean in that article:
The Biden administration has paused one shipment of the 2,000-pound bomb, citing concern over the impact it could have in densely populated areas in Gaza, but U.S. officials insist that all other arms deliveries continue as normal.
Wow, pausing a single shipment when israel already had more than enough to level all of Palestine. That really made a difference!
Sure is better now, huh.
Sure would be better if Biden had stopped supporting a genocide and listened to their base. Maybe they would have been able to stop Trump winning, at least. So good job on you for wanting more of what makes the DNC lose to Trump.
Still here, Joe Biden started the genocide, trump looks like he’s going to finish it.
Not sure if the liberals are much louder in condemning this, judging by the comments here they seem to just want to say “I told you so”
EDIT: I try show some brevity once instead of writing paragraphs and get told I don’t know my history, so here’s some paragraphs.
Yes Israel has been carrying out a process of slow ethnic cleansing for decades. Biden while in congress along with all the other dems repeatedly backed arms sales to this apartheid state knowing it was going to kill Palestinians. The violence ramped up in 2023 as Israeli settlers committed pogroms against Palestinians, which is part of the reason hamas did oct 7th. During this time Biden did nothing to reign in the Israelis, and instead tried to throw it under the rug to get a deal with the Saudis to normalize relations. Then Oct 7th happened and Israel went on a full onslaught against Gaza, and to a lesser extent the west bank and Lebanon. Biden again did nothing to stop this and continued to give military aid and diplomatic support to Israel. By the end of his administration Gaza was uninhabitable. Now trump seems primed to allow Israel to finish what it started and complete the ethnic cleansing.
Joe Biden started the genocide,
Stunning lack of knowledge of history. Bravo. This is why no one should take you guys seriously. You’re useful tools for Russian propaganda.
Russian propaganda, wtf. Newsflash Russia has good relations with Israel, not as subservient as the u.s., but they aren’t really complaining about the genocide. I guess you just think that anything that’s against the democrats is Russian propaganda, in which case I’d say your a good tool for democrat propaganda.
Made an edit since you people can’t seem to take a short reply but I’ll copy it here:
I try show some brevity once instead of writing paragraphs and get told I don’t know my history, so here’s some paragraphs.
Yes Israel has been carrying out a process of slow ethnic cleansing for decades. Biden while in congress along with all the other dems repeatedly backed arms sales to this apartheid state knowing it was going to kill Palestinians. The violence ramped up in 2023 as Israeli settlers committed pogroms against Palestinians, which is part of the reason hamas did oct 7th. During this time Biden did nothing to reign in the Israelis, and instead tried to throw it under the rug to get a deal with the Saudis to normalize relations. Then Oct 7th happened and Israel went on a full onslaught against Gaza, and to a lesser extent the west bank and Lebanon. Biden again did nothing to stop this and continued to give military aid and diplomatic support to Israel. By the end of his administration Gaza was uninhabitable. Now trump seems primed to allow Israel to finish what it started and complete the ethnic cleansing.
Still here, Joe Biden started the genocide
Lol for fuck sake… Are you for real??? Biden started the genocide? You fucking sure about that?
What a joke. Most of these people never even knew of the existence of Palestine prior to 2024. Read a fucking book
Ffs “this phase of the genocide” happy, point still stands, Biden enabled Israel to bomb Gaza into obliteration and trumps finishing the job and all Liberals have to say is “i told you so”
I know Israel has been carrying out a slow genocide for the past couple decades but they haven’t ramped up to this level since the Nakba. If you think this is the same as anything pre October 7th, post 73 you need to look at the pictures coming out of gaza.
Uh yeah Biden didn’t start “this phase of the genocide” either.
lol they are trying hard to blame Palestinian for trump to the point they are willing to say Biden fid nothing wrong. Even thought they vetoed all humanitarian resolution at the UN. Like for fuck sake just search google how Biden supported the genocide.
Did I say Biden did nothing wrong?
Here’s a challenge: try to discuss this topic without resorting to straw men. In my experience, on this site, every single discussion about this topic has ended up this way.
“Biden supported the genocide” is a factual statement that i agree with.
“Biden started the genocide” is fucking stupid hyperbolic partisan cheerleading.
How about the deafening silence from the Jewish community.
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Sup. If you’re out and around Jews (like me) you’re probably hearing about how Israel is an antisemitic state because zionism is a philosophy that seeks to other us. If you’re not hearing from us, it’s probably because you’re not conducting yourself like someone who’s ready to listen
And, frankly, I understand why some Jews would be a little guarded when the topic of Israel comes up. Antisemitism is real and you’ll certainly find people with a negative view on Israel that are conflating the nation with Jews. That’s a conversation that can get really uncomfortable really quick.
It’s why I have nothing but respect for the likes of “Jewish voice for peace” and the many Jewish college students and professors that have stood for the Palestinians. It’s also why I hate someone trying to treat the Jewish community as having homogeneous beliefs.
my family has been in the united states for ~140 years. before i left instagram i would pretty regularly get death threats in my DMs. the one that stood out most to me said “go back where you came from before i send you back in a pine box, removed”
it was just so dumb. but also indicative of what it can be like for me to move around sometimes. people threaten me with violence for existing from time to time. when you live like that you learn who’s willing to listen and who’s in their current state unreachable. so yeah. if you’re not hearing something from the Jewish community, it’s probably because the Jewish community you want to hear from doesn’t trust you for some reason. you don’t surround yourself with a pocket of safety and so we distance ourselves from you.
people in this moment saying Jews are responsible for israel don’t really understand that israel represents a single perspective on jewish identity, one that many Jews openly reject. the other thing to understand is israel has open citizenship for Jews. it’s super easy for us to emigrate there. why might you think we haven’t? could it be because we fundamentally disagree with its existence?
Because they were bots
