Well I think we’re gonna see another influx
Can confirm. That’s why im here. Figured I’d just jump earlier with the whole avoiding US companies vibe too.
Yea, I’m one.
one of us one of us
Yep, hi, here am I. Usually I think news like these are fearmongering for clickbait, like those old “Facebook is going to be paiiidd!” (As if “being free” wasn’t at the very core of its appeal and selling point) but reading the room this day and age I don’t think I’d be that surprise if a change like that did happen to Reddit. The only good think about this shitstorm of an age is that it made me find the fediverse and I will never forgive myself for not caring enough to find it earlier.
a few days ago i saw how r/redditalternatives has only “lemmy bad!” posts and i know for a fact folks here have been spreading the word about lemmy in a positive way so don’t blame yourself, reddit has been actively censoring any good thing said about lemmy or the fediverse in general
i looked marginally deeper into this and it’s apparently all the way to shadow bans :) link
seems like its posted around the same time reddit started banning people in large numbers.
Oh, so that’s why I saw some post about reddit alternatives and the person replying had to mask lemmy. Oh wow.
Same, just got fed up about all this bullshit and degoogled every device in my life, as time passes we get more and more exploited by these giant companies.
I hope all the lemmy instances are ready for a surge of users. Let’s encourage redditors to join Lemmy and learn the kinks and quirks by trial and error. Let’s be kind to the newcomers.
This is the mindset to have when new people discover anything you enjoy. Great way to put it.
As soon as I read that I thought I’d make an account here.
Welcome! It’s weird here, but it’s great.
Same, fresh refugee here. I’ve tried mastodon before and I didn’t feel good with Fediverse, but only because I never really used Twitter. Surprisingly I only discover Reddit few weeks ago (to properly spend some time there… where was I all these years lol) I’m starting to like this fediverse though 😁
Honestly, same. Mastodon is fine if you like the Twitter format, but I never did. Lemmy works for me, largely cuz Reddit also worked for me, until the API debacle.
Welcome! Hope you like it here. I’m happy to see people are jumping ship despite the “it’s too complex to switch to Lemmy” false narrative.
Just gotta compare it to signing up for an email. You gotta choose a provider.
I personally don’t really like that analogy. With email, you can send and email to anyone who has an email address. You can only see emails you have received after creating your email account. It’s simple and clear. With the fediverse, for past posts, you can see some: only if it was posted on your instance or if someone on your instance was following them when it was originally posted or has interacted with it since, meaning there is some technicality that prevents you from seeing everything you think you should be able to see.
In terms of account creation, I agree. Just pick a provider (instance), if you don’t like it you can create a new account somewhere else later.
I think the analogy will hold only because the problems you’ve presented should get worked out over time. I feel the same with how fediverse links work and how it interacts with your Lemmy account (like it’s super easy to link a fediverse comment/post, just a little harder to get from your account instance to that link where you can interact with it).
My first Lemmy account was on a little instance where I had to go through subscribing, like you said, for those instance feeds to pop up. I also see that as just another wrinkle that will be ironed out over time, as the setting up and hosting of instances becomes more mainstream (well from at least it’s current state).
same! just hopped on today, for both that reason and because friends are here now as well :)
Saaaame
Same here.
Yes let’s put a site that consists pretty much entirely of user-created content behind a paywall, what could possibly go wrong?
Well, Spez is a special kind of stupid.
I think people who are content with Reddit being the way it is deserve someone like Spez.
The users still on reddit are even dumber than him
digg v5 just dropped
Quora did it. I don’t go there anymore.
Don’t lie. When 70% of your search results are Quora, you are going to click, you are going to encounter the login banner, you are going to rage, and you are going to click away.
Nope, those “answers” didn’t help even once, so now they’re filtered out of search results, and DNS banned. Quora does not appear on my devices.
I’ve had some help from Quora, but overall I feel it wastes my time a lot more than not. And I’ve never had an instance where only Quora had the answer.
This why it pays to use a search engine that lets you blocklist sites
So like Google 15 years ago when it was still kind of not shit?
Any recommendations?
Or use the ublocklist extension, this puts a button besides all search results to perma ban that domain and allows URL lists like this for automatic garbage removal.
At the risk of sounding like a shill, I like Kagi.
Even when the login banner doesn’t appear, lately all the answers are “Hm, it appears that you are trying to do [question title]. To do [question title], [basic removed advice]. Hope this helps!” Style AI slop.
When it isn’t the built-in AI helper doing it, it’s the users blatantly copying from different chatbots
was Quora ever good? I joined the internet in like 2019 and it’s always been garbage to me, did I miss its golden age?
Anecdotally, I remember using it for answers to things about probably business, government, and certain how-to’s. I also remember when the pop-over banner started covering up half the answers and that’s around the time I stopped.
Here’s a post discussing quora from Dec 2018.
all philosophical views aside, there are some really core issues that got me to stop using Quora and unfortunately the case to stop using it is made by the site itself:
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The content quality has deteriorated significantly since the site’s inception. The content is far cheaper than before and far less interesting in very obvious ways.
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Moderation systems have not done a good job of growing the site as a community. The site has lost the character that drew many people to it in the first place.
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The machine learning models terribly over-fit to user signals, creating a frustrating experience.
These 3 core issues with the site are what got me to gradually stop using it as someone who was initially an early adopter.
thank you for the explainer, this is very interesting. seems reddit is following along this path lol
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Once upon a time, Quora was okay, before they started paying people to generate a bunch of yahoo answers questions / AI slop questions, and then fucked with the UI and made their site into a virtually unusable mess.
i’m getting reddit vibes, that makes sense. classic enshittification
Isn’t it mostly bot-generated content?
How the hell would I know?
service that owes its popularity largely to its low barrier to entry signals higher barriers to entry
cool! please do.
The whole reason reddit became as popular as it is now is because of bots in the beginning. The founders admitted as much.
In the great reddit to lemmy migration of 2023, a lot of users complained about the lack of content and engagement on lemmy. A number of lemmy moderators who came from reddit basically said the same thing and that they were working on deploying bots over here.
It looks like they did make some progress as there is a lot more content than there was 2 years ago. However, SOOOOO many niche subs just do not exist over here yet. Including most of my favs.
I am not that interested in linux or computers anymore.
i was looking at subs on here that were some of the ones i frequent on reddit, yea its a deadzones in some of the niches, no content for a year, i think alot of them went back to reddit. the ones that stay are usually the ones that get banned from reddit. the ones that are currently evading bans are on another forum(not associated with lemmy or reddit, im in one of those sites)
However, SOOOOO many niche subs just do not exist over here yet. Including most of my favs.
That is actually the only reason I come back to reddit from time to time.
and bot is the reason its still active, i think i read a reddit post about how most of the bots on the site are from places like RUSSIA, sowing dissent with thier troll farms. it make sense since reddit isnt doing much to removing much of those bots, instead targeting people like us and OF FANs. as soon as they did thier usual purges of bots, which include some from RU, reddit because eerily quiet and non-engaged(nobodies raging about what the other party did in alrge numbers), and the well known conservative subs, are silent. until the troll farms reorient thier trolls to come back. its easier for them to evade bans, because of thier resources. on some posts that were discussing it, reddit doesnt do enough against them.
Over moderation is also an issue. See the digg to reddit move in 2010 or 2011. Corporatize, moderate, lose engagement
Seems like a bad time to be introducing such a thing in the immediate future when European users are already seeking out alternatives to US tech giants and US users are losing their jobs and facing rising grocery prices.
holy shit what is this from, i swear i saw this 20 years ago. what is it, george of the jungle??
Yep.
damn i nailed it!
It’s a classic. :)
It’ll be the porn they charge for.
They know only wankers will give them money.
Reddit has cracked down on many porn subreddits in the last few years. Most porn on reddit is now just ads for onlyfans.
There isn’t really any porn left on reddit, it’s pretty much just OnlyFans ads now.
First they came for the porn subreddits, but I didn’t say anything because I was not a porn subreddit.
Each time I visit a reddit link and see the word “Deleted” in OPs post, my heart fills with joy.
I deleted my history on reddit (10+ years) and am moving over here. Still figuring out how to find the communities I want but I’ll get it.
Well, that’s the death of the free* forum. Went from BBS to newsgroups to phpBB to Reddit, each soft-killing its predecessor. But like WalMart killing Main Street, Reddit is going to kill the free forum.
Thank goodness for Lemmy and other free* social network software.
*free with the asterisk because we know it’s not free, we are enjoying the service that others volunteer to pay for.
Lemmy will need ads to support individual servers, eventually, when they’re not attached to another org (like a server CNN would run for just outgoing news dissemination). The rest of them, with bills and needing to eat, may need to go to ads.
I support proper ads that do not get priority placement and aren’t in-your-face.
I support prioritization of profile migration so we can vote with our feet if a particular server’s ad volume and content offends our sensibilities.
But I’m just saying I fully expect some ads are gonna happen, and I hope we can prevent full enshittification when that happens.
No, it will never have ads. If the devs put ads in, it will get forked. If server admins put in ads, they will be defederated. That’s nonnegotiable if you want a free (as in libre) fediverse.
Mastodon is way bigger than Lemmy and it doesn’t need ads. Donations and subscriptions (for severs that choose that path) are enough.
I don’t want it to have ads either but bandwidth is not free and someone somewhere is paying for it.
Is the donations don’t cover the bills there are few options.
Is the donations don’t cover the bills there are few options.
They usually do. When we opened for donations, we pretty much hit our goals within days and our donations currently exceed our expenses without having to do donation drives. @[email protected] had a thread where Lemmy Admins discussed their costs and a lot are already fully funded.
I really enjoyed the Reddit gold model. I paid them $30/year for many years because I got so much out of the site that I felt they deserved it. Their monetization was pretty innocuous.
Then the enshittification happened.
We run one of then largest lemmy server. We’re fully donation-funded. Lemmy.world is also the largest, also donation funded.
It’s not free, but it’s pretty cheap. When you don’t have to have massive marketing departments, huge management bonuses, expensive office space, crappy proprietary software, and massively scaled highly available platforms it costs a lot less to run a social media platform. Donations can often cover it all.
If one server gets too big, they can just cap registrations and people move to a different server.
Good point. Way less staff to keep this service running as long as growth is not a priority like it is with most companies.
At some point they are going to need lawyers, and more expensive anti-spam.
And there’s a scaling problem, right? Like, the bigger the federation is, the more traffic each instance gets.
Maybe large institutions (universities, some governments, some companies, and so on) can each host their own instance. It would be a drop in their existing hosting costs.
You’re getting very close to describing how Usenet works.
Heh, is that a bad thing? I think not.
Next wave of reddit exodus coming soon…
I followed Reddit Sync to Lemmy during the API fiasco. Even then, it was better than reddit had been in years. It’s only gotten better.
Same bro, I’m still on Sync typing this to you 😄👍
What’s Reddit sync to lemmy?
Sync is an application that originally was designed to browse Reddit on Android. When Reddit destroyed 3rd party access, Sync was redesigned for Lemmy.
Recent recruit from Reddit. Finally made the jump. Love the apps like Boost, Thunder and Voyager.
I like Voyager too. Im on Android but prefer the Apple design right now in terms of look and feel.
Time to move on over here I guess.
Just jumped the ship at the right time. The API wars were just a preview…
Let me guess. These will be the AI-content subreddits, right?
Nope, the NSFW and OF ones.
They’re trying to direct creators to stay on Reddit instead of just using it for an advertising platform
