As the great Pratchett wrote: All mushrooms are edible. Some just once.
I guess Gemini used that as base for its answer.
Light Fantastic I think
Maybe the poisonous ones are also all super tasty! It really is a tragedy!
No, they aren’t.
Source: Personal experience.
Remember business ethics lol?
“Corporate personhood” should imply corporate imprisonment and corporate execution.
Your business is directly, knowingly responsible for someone’s death? business license terminated, no ifs, ands or buts.
I dream of the day we could put Nestle to death at the Hague
I don’t believe in the death penalty, but I do believe in the corporate death penalty.
gives 3 million in small unmarked bills
‘actually no wrongdoing was found’
Corporate personhood implies the opposite of what you want though. It means that the corporation can enter into contracts and be sued for breaches of them, but you want the officers of a corporation to be sued and held responsible directly.
Your business is directly, knowingly responsible for someone’s death? business license terminated
Even with corporate personhood, a business can’t know things, only its employees can. If an employee is directly and knowingly responsible for someone’s death, they should go to jail - but they already can be.
But if you’re talking about the current example, who would be directly responsible for a death occurring because of a misidentified mushroom?
I wonder why the person who created the original post didn’t share the prompt? It must be hard to farm engagement when you’re being honest. Here’s what Gemini actually says:
Different prompts yield different results
I’ve noticed that when you tell AI some lie and that it’s true, it will generally just go with what you’re saying.
If I say I’m a god, AI likely will just go with it and in no time support my delusional thoughts.
Not this particular example, but I’ve had multiple results where AI gave me the wrong answer because I told it something incorrect prior.
If I were to tell AI that I found a yummie button mushroom, then the picture, there is a good chance it would respond like in this example
Part of the problem here is that AI is mostly done by companies with billions of investments and in turn they NEEEEEDDDDD engagement, so they all made their AI as agreeable as possible just so people would like it and stay, with results like these becoming much more “normal” than it should or could be
Part of the problem here is that AI is mostly done by companies with billions of investments and in turn they NEEEEEDDDDD engagement, so they all made their AI as agreeable as possible just so people would like it and stay, with results like these becoming much more “normal” than it should or could be
I wonder how much of that is intentional vs a byproduct of their training pipeline. I didn’t keep up with everything (and those companies became more and more secretive as time went on), but iirc for GPT 3.5 and 4 they used human judges to judge responses. Then they trained a judge model that learns to sort a list of possible answers to a question the same way the human judges would.
If that model learned that agreeing answers were on average more highly rated by the human judges, then that would be reflected in its orderings. This then makes the LLM more and more likely to go along with whatever the user throws at it as this training/fine-tuning goes on. Instead of the judges liking agreeing answers more on average, it could even be a training set balance issue, where there simply were more agreeing than disagreeing possible answers. A dataset imbalanced that way has a good chance of introducing a bias towards agreeing answers into the judge model. The judge model would then pass that bias onto the GPT model it is used for to train.
Pure speculation time: since ChatGPT often produces two answers and asks the user which one the user prefers, I can only assume that the user in that case is taking the mantle of those human judges. It’s unsurprising that the average GenAI user prefers to be agreed with. So that’s also a very plausible source for that bias.
Remember, everything you see on the internet is true and should be taken at face value
The post is delicious though. But I agree, AI is safer to use than some people make it appear.
Kinda wild how people that know their mushrooms could just go into the woods and get a highly effective poison. I’m surprised mushroom murders aren’t more common
I feel like the difficulty in poisoning someone is not obtaining the poison in the first place but the delivery and getting away with it
Hmm this person knew the victim, had a motive, and was really into mycology, and the autopsy had signs of poisoning from a rare mushroom…
Good deniability though.
Be publicly into micology and commonly collect mushrooms to cook when you have guests over.
Only issue would be to somehow plausably not poison yourself to death. Maybe taking little enough you survive.And take care you aren’t quite known as fully competent, spread the air of knowledge without any solid proof or association.
I’ll look like you were a sham and amateur overestimating themselves.Or just accidentally run them over with a car.
I guess manslaughter does have a smaller sentence than murder 1
Shitty job.
She lied, behaved irrationally, couldn’t get her story straight ahead of time, scenario too implausible.You gotta admit fault, hate yourself for killing everyone. Buying poisonous mushrooms is implausible, admit you got them yourself right away, admit accidentally killing them. Swear to never touch mushrooms again.
And find a better excuse for not poisoning yourself, noone individually prepares mushroom sauce per person.
I mean, anyone reading this thread right now has enough information to know that this thing is deadly, so you don’t need to be into mycology to find a way to weaponize it since it can easily be mistaken as edible.
I typically don’t broadcast my hobbies and my friends wouldn’t speak with the police as a general police
Could always shoot a ricin dart from an umbrella gun. 🤷♂️
Just 3d print it, I guess.
Here I made you some mushroom pasta!
There was that case in Australia last year, the poisoner just did a really bad job at covering her tracks. There probably are intelligent people able to get away with it that we don’t hear about. It’s crazy.
It was wild reading that as it happened. “Oh no, only the people I invited were poisoned! I’m so lucky to be alive!” Homie. That’s suspicious as hell.
Didn’t she also leave a book of poisonous mushrooms in her house or something. Like not even hidden away just on a table somewhere.
She might have! It just kept coming out with more and more suspicious stuff lmao
From what I remember, she had it in her browsing history and also had a dehydrator that she bought specially to prep the mushrooms that she did a bad job of disposing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx554n1x0wo
The day after she was discharged from hospital, CCTV captured Erin travelling to a local dump and disposing of a food dehydrator later found to contain traces of poisonous mushrooms.
She was also using three phones around the time of the lunch, two of which disappeared shortly afterwards. The one she did hand over to police had been repeatedly wiped – including while detectives were searching her house.
For investigators, the red flags began mounting quickly.
Questions about the source of the mushrooms elicited odd answers. Patterson claimed some of them had been bought dried from an Asian grocery in Melbourne, but she couldn’t remember which suburb. When asked about the brand, or for transaction records, she said they were in plain packaging and she must’ve paid cash.
I mean, you can also just walk into a hardware store. Or the cleaning isle of your grocery store.
Where is the style in that? Where is the panache?
Everybody is going to remember the mushroom murderer, nobody is going to remember some bleach boy.
Yeah, but with a mushroom there is a natural explanation or may not be as obvious as “someone fed this guy bleach”.
People will eat a mushroom pizza if you give it to them
Yeah but usually unless the person is getting into mushroom picking the cops tend to suspect it’s the person in their life that goes mushroom picking
You could just not tell them.
This would kill me
I’m probably in the minority on this particular post. But this would NOT kill me.
Ew mushrooms. I’d pick them all off and have a pile of poison on my plate’s edge.
Assuming nothing leached out.
I don’t fully understand my hatred, but mushrooms do not belong in food. My only exception so far, and I’ll try most things once, is wood ear mushrooms, which give me seaweed vibes and are just sort of chewy/crunchy.
Yet another reason I won’t eat mushrooms. Thanks for the added explanation I can give!
Well I’m already in a murderous mood, it’s probably best I talk to as fewer people as possible.
There are some that only cause death up to two weeks after ingestion. So just make some soup ig
You would need to know how to id a destroying Angel and then somehow put in someones food without them immediately identified as suspicious. Also it causes specific symptoms too, and likely would ask questions of a strange mushroom
Back in Rome, Amanita caesarea was a delicacy, but it can be confused with Death cap, or Amanita phalloides. It’s possible Nero became Emperor because Agrippina poisoned Claudius with Death caps.
Maybe they are and we just don’t know it because they’re so effective
There was some woman that tried it
they’re not a reliable choice.
That bastard right there is why I don’t pick white mushrooms.
What is it and how do I avoid it?
@[email protected] mentioned it in another reply in this post. It’s a Destroying Angel Mushroom. you usually avoid mushrooms like that by only foraging those who have no simulacrae and buying the other mushrooms in the store, or by intensely studying the differences and hoping you are lucky this time.
That’s a very metal name for a mushroom
Death cap is another name.
If you want to get into foraging, spend a year or more going foraging and only taking pictures. It’s a lot of fun to find a new species that you haven’t found before. You’ll also get familiarized with your local ecosystem. Never eat any mushroom without a positive ID. AI can give you a starting point for identification, but not a positive ID. https://mushroomexpert.com/ is a very up to date resource for getting a positive ID
Also, if you are a beginner, don’t pick white mushrooms. Just learn to identify couple easily differentiated local species and pick those, then later add one and one and so on. Don’t blindly trust internet as your source either; the mushrooms from different continents can look the same but be very different. Get a new edition of some mushroom book written in your country
As a forager, I live in the middle of a forest, I do hunt mushrooms for myself, I even have shaggy manes that grow wild in my yard. There are tasty and safe ones out there to find in season. It’s something even people who live in a city can do. Parks hold some very interesting free foods if you know what you’re looking at.
BUT, you better learn from a local expert who has been hunting locally for years. They know hat grows locally and how to identify them. Using your phone or a book is helpful, but never definitive. Pictures can lie. And even then, there can be a tiny risk.
Pollution and contamination makes basically anything in a city unsafe to eat long-term
Is that the xkcd mushroom
Using LLMs for anything that can kill you is definitely Darwin Award material. I mean, everybody knows they hallucinate, right?
This has potential as a story/comic/movie:
Most knowledge has been lost in the post-Apocalyptic world. Google doesn’t exist. Books are destroyed. The only thing that remains is a local hosted llm model you have running on solar power.
Kevin: “Hey, what’s this mushroom I managed to forage? It kinda looks like a button mushroom.”
AI: "Hello! Very observant of you! This mushroom IS of the button variety. Their nutritional value is above average for a mushroom. Would you like me to provide you some recipes that incorporate buttons mushrooms? "
Randal: shouts from across the room "Kevin! How many times have I told you to stop wasting our energy with that stupid thing. "
Kevin: "Yeah but we could be eating really well tonight. "
Randal: sighs “the last time you listened to that thing’s cooking advice I had the runs for days”
You remember that time when a website would give such blatant false and dangerous information that it could be sued?
Pepperidge farm remembers…
Number one reason I won’t eat mushrooms in spaghetti sauce
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Does it really liquify your liver though? Curious how it would do this.
Amatoxins do two things: on the one side they cause perforations in the cell membranes, which causes “liquefying”, on the other hand it blocks the RNA-Polymerase II and III, which prevents repair of the damage and causes apoptosis. So yes, your liver and kidneys are getting liquefied.
