It’s unfair to compare Trump to the Joker. The Joker is a strategic and tactical and logistical genius, he didn’t inherit his position from “Papa Clown Show” and pretend to be good at what he does.
Why cannot Robin take care of the Batcave? Why Alfred want the Batcave so bad when is clear that he need to retire and let a younger generation have their time?
Ain’t Robin also running around in yoga pants and cape, hopping at unexpected individuals in dark alleys?
Doing away with First Past The Post voting will allow us to choose a different, better option.
I like how Democrats always frame this as the only two choices. They really, REALLY want to lose.
It’s way easier to run a campaign this way, though. Who wants to acknowledge that the US issues are structural and require solutions that would go against the lobbyists and donors’ best interests?
But due to the first-past-the-post system, these are the only two options. The primaries are when you choose the candidates, and the election is when you choose the winner of the candidates. That’s the system you have. You really need to switch to a preferential voting system if you want to have more than two options in the presidential election.
The unstated choice is a different candidate for Dems. Joe ran in 2020 as…
…oh fuck nevermind.
You have a better solution for tens of millions of voters to organize behind in the next 4 months?
They had 4 years to light l find and line someone else up. Biden’s age isn’t a surprise that snuck up on anyone
Soooo no other solutions? Gotcha, I’ll stick with the plan to vote Biden and let Harris take over if he steps down.
So as an individual you have 4 options:
1- vote for Biden: democrats maintain the current path as that’s literally what’s happening now
2- vote Trump: either they maintain their current path or democrats have to pivot
3- vote third party: if that party gets enough votes one of the main parties will catwr to the messaging of that party to take those voters in the next cycle as it’s an easy win
4- don’t vote: if enough people don’t vote they’ll cater more to them next cycle but that’s harder to aim in the direction you’d want to promote.
Is that a good enough breakdown? So if I were to rank my options I’d go for 3,4,2,1
You’ve said that choosing options 3, or 4 will send a message to change party opinions for the next cycle. But the message it sends is ambiguous at best. It could be interpreted to mean that people are unhappy with the system and demand change; but it could also mean that people are indifferent, or disengaged, or ill-informed, or have been prevented / dissuaded from exercising their right to vote. Or perhaps it could be interpreted on policy grounds: perhaps votes are unhappy with genocide… or perhaps not, perhaps they are war-hungry. Perhaps want stricter rules to control anti-social behaviour … or the opposite.
If you don’t vote at all, your message is basically just noise. It communicates nothing, because whatever message you think it sends it could also be sending the opposite. Voting third-party would be less bad, except that many third parties are exist disingenuously as a tactical way to split votes, to increase the change of victory for the party of opposite values to what the third party purports to represent.
If lets say 10% of people vote for the green party. We know that what people want relates to their messaging and they’d try and take voters away from them as it’s easier than taking republicans or people that refuse to vote since you know what the green party stands for. That’s different than voting for the social democrats and so on.
You can’t lump options 3 and 4 together like that.
Not voting sends the message that people are dissatisfied or feel disenfranchised. Now if the Democrats win they won’t care to change. Or even if they nearly win. But if they loose badly they’ll have to cater to these voters. And thus a pivot would be in order. But like we’re both said, not voting harder to take get a party to move in that direction
It’s this endless litany of “Just because our guy sucks…” and I can’t imagine what that message is going to do to turnout in three months
I’ve wanted Biden to croak and the party be forced to get behind Kamala sooo bad. Boom, younger candidate, female, minority(Indian mother, Jamaican father) incumbent that can be elected 2 more times. Maybe the plan is for it to happen next term? Idk. I don’t know a single thing she’s done besides be a VP, but damn give me someone who doesn’t look like they gonna die any second.
Kamala isn’t very likeable, and I saw a recent interview (about Biden’s debate performance) where she acted pretty unhinged. She talked at Anderson Cooper like he was a child, had a wierd speech cadence, and smiled psychotically.
Only thing I know about her is she was a DA and prosecuted a lot of people for cannabis.
I’m actually not sure if she’d have a better chance at winning than Biden.
If, somehow, Biden wins, I’d bet she’d be president soon after. Rumors are Biden’s sundowning, and isn’t very coherent after 3pm. That’s only going to get worse, forcing him to step-down (or one would hope).
Harris would probably be a status-quo (i.e. actual conservative) president. Not good, but not as bad as a fascist president.
Joker for president!
This was the first time in Batman history that The Joker got to be Gotham major?
It’s so genius, that made me believe it’s already happened before.
As far as I know it’s the first, but I’m not well-versed in the comics.
Man, season 4 did him dirty. There was so much they could do to exploit this arc of his and instead treated it like an old joke.
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Hilarious
ROFL
They be like: your options are a shit sandwich or getting shot in the head.
When all along your options are every other food too, they just removed them from the menu.
You still should pick the shit sandwich over the shot to the head, but you should as hell be mad at both the one who would pull the trigger and the ones who left you with a shit sandwich as the viable alternative.
Eat the sandwich, remove the trigger man then go after the restaurant owners.
Eating the shit sandwich will result in always getting a shit sandwich
2016: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
2020: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
2024: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
Can’t understand why the Democratic Party isn’t more popular.
The democratic choice in both 2016 and 2020 were actually good. Biden has been the most progressive president ever, as sad as that is.
Biden has been the most progressive president ever
Not even inside the top five, as sad as that is.
They knew in 2020 that Joe was slipping but instead of trying to solve the problem then they did nothing but cover up the obvious issues. To go with the metaphor, Alfred was a good man doing the right thing. The modern Democrat party has no Alfred. Instead they now seems to care more about their party’s own power over the actual good of the country. Very few people wanted Joe in 2020 but we were told we vote him in to save democracy and then run someone better in 2024. Now here we are going through the same loop. No, if the Democratic party refuses to run a candidate that the people want then we’ve already lost our democracy. Our two party only system is already a joke and it allows those in power to do whatever they want with the looming threat that the other team will destroy America. I’m sorry to say but the Joker is already in charge.
I disagree: The Democratic Party does not care about its power. In fact many of the still current leaders of the party actively believe in a strong Republican Party.
I am specifically quoting Biden with that.
“We need a Republican Party. We need an opposition that’s principled and strong.”
Yup, people so quickly forget that Biden and his campaign heavily implied that he planned on being a one term president. Somehow that whole thing came and went.
How people allow themselves to be gaslit like that over and over and just wipe it out of their memory is beyond me.
How people allow themselves to be gaslit like that over and over
Other guy is worse. Yes, it’s the same guy who has been running for president since 2016, but he’s worse so you have to vote for our guy no matter how awful he gets.
Trump’s going to run again in 2028 and you’re going to be expected to vote for the Democrat for this reason alone, again.
Terrible analogy.
This is the goddamn DNC’s fault. They are allergic to supporting anyone that’s not an old school establishment Democrat.
Give us a suitable candidate. Biden is too old and everyone knows it.
Give us someone that is actually progressive and that actually wants to help the American people. We have a few very obvious issues that neither of our geriatric overlords are addressing.
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ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE. This is the most important one. Just do something. Anything. Nothing is being done and it’s getting hotter every year.
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Lower the cost of living. Rent is out of control. Food costs are out of control. It’s hard to live right now. Protect US citizens from corporate greed.
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Fix the real estate market. Most of us will never be able to own a house because several corporations have been allowed to run amok. Make it so the average person can buy a house.
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Healthcare for all. It’s not complicated.
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Stop the genocide.
Put someone forward with this obvious and simple platform, and I promise they win.
We are not married to Biden. Get us someone younger. Why is this so hard?
- During Biden’s first term, we’ve made several of the biggest steps toward addressing climate change, ever
- Biden has made huge steps, despite congressional opposition, in making education and healthcare more affordable
- The real estate and rental prices are local, and some of us live where our local politicians are at least trying
Yeah, Biden has done a lot of really good shit. The president only has so much power.
You did have someone younger. DURING THE PRIMARIES WHEN THIS DECISION WAS MADE. PAY ATTENTION.
Or perhaps you didn’t like the younger man’s decisions.
So then maybe age alone doesn’t hold all the answers to everyone’s problems as you’d have us all believe.
Who did you have on your primary ballot? Mine was Biden and No Preference
Your mom
I would vote for scops mom over biden
Primaires are over. That was the time to select the DNC candidate.
Fucking thank you. I agree with every single one of these things
Wanna run for president? I’ll vote
Run, I’ll vote for you, hell id run on that platform exactly if I had a few million for campaigning.
Because for someone to get elected, they need more than just YOUR vote, David.
There are millions of voters that might agree with points 1,2,3 and 4, but don’t think it’s a genocide. They won’t vote for your guy.
Millions more agree with 1,2,3 and 5. But your guys ideas on Healthcare is a non-starter. More lost votes.
See where I’m going here? Your guy didn’t even say a WORD about abortion rights, immigration, gun laws, unemployment, inflation, global war and terrorism, technology threats, the economy, tariffs, and so much more.
It’s not the DNCs fault. Do you know how the Republicans made abortion illegal again? They attacked it year after year, and nobody on the left defended it. We just sit in message boards passively crying “Give us a suitable candidate!!”
ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE.
that’s our job. government is not going to solve this. wanna make change for the better? start training for guerilla warfare.
What are we as individuals supposed to do? I can only cut down on my polluting so much. My ability to do so is severely limited by the options available to me which are decided by corporations.
Especially cause it’s a myth that regular people have all the power when it comes to climate change. Most of the issues come directly from factories that could be doing better to minimize toxic waste and pollution but instead they spend billions lobbying to make it okay.
Yea, I can cut down on my driving, try not to be wasteful, and look for less plastic packaging and all that but that all depends on what options are available to me. If I need something and all the options are in the worst packaging possible or they sell electronic garbage that breaks after a year because the company doesn’t care then it’s out of my hands.
Yea, at the end of the day my only solace is that I’m not having kids and neither are my siblings so I don’t have to worry about the planet being fucked for them. Don’t get me wrong i’ll still do everything I can for our youth and I’m a punk at heart but I won’t lose too much sleep over it.
Yea, I’m not interested in having kids either. Which now that I think of it is a pretty good benefit for the environment too as I’m cancelling out all my potential descendants emissions.
make the corporations scared of us/force their hand. hit their pocket books. make consequences for immoral CEO’s. don’t wait for government to do it. that window has closed.
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Guerilla warfare against who? The people causing climate change don’t live in jungles.
We’re really gonna civil war before breaking the two party system with Ranked Choice voting?
Oh course, the democrats are more important then stopping the civil war…
It’s a joke. Not an analogy lol
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This is Alfred slander. He’s the only person on Earth who can slap sense into fucking Batman, not some old fuck who should have been in hospice care two years ago
He’s the only aged gentleman who will headbutt supes in the nose.
There is at least one timeline where Alfred has rocked Superman’s shit just for daring to show his face after a fight he had where he injured batman.
Absolutely! I’d take Alfred, if he were the option. At least he could string together a sentence that makes sense. So essentially, our choice is between the Joker and the Riddler.
Can the Democrats please stop tolerating everything? We haven’t even officially declared a candidate. Let’s take a good look at our options and stop forcing the country into another awful Sophie’s choice.
The options are the Joker and… uh, Thomas Wayne. Like, current day Thomas Wayne.
What if Alfred is guilty of genocide?
The US has sent at least 14,000 of its massive, highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs to Israel since October 7, report says. The fact that this doesn’t seem to matter at all is damning, you don’t even see the Palestinians as people.
Every alternative supports genocide. Either in Gaza or Ukraine (edit: or both)
I can name three who aren’t: Cornel West, Jill Stein and Claudia De la Cruz.
You think West and Stein care to stop Putin? Think again. Edit: their pro Putin stances may be worse than Trumps.
You think West and Stein care to stop Putin?
both have spoken out against his illegal invasion, so yes.
Biden has spoken out about atrocities in Gaza… words mean nothing. Both West and Stein want to side with Putin and give him everything he’s stolen.
Both West and Stein want to side with Putin and give him everything he’s stolen
neither of them have said that.
If you support Stein make sure you don’t look into her statements about Russia. It’ll make it easier to continue supporting her.
“Russia’s invasion was a provoked response to the bigger, more murderous and illegal game plan of US empire - in which ‘overextending’ and defeating Russia is only one small part of the picture… In 2014 the US backed a coup in Ukraine led by far-right insurrectionists. The installation of the new government was a giant step towards the goal of adding Ukraine to NATO - and putting hostile bases and nuclear-capable missiles right on Russia’s border.” – Jill Stein February 24, 2022
Should the U.S. provide military assistance to defend Ukraine from Russia? PUBLIC STATEMENTS “No, we should stay out of conflicts that do not directly threaten us”
Note: this graph is from November 2023 (4,100 children killed), we are in July 2024 and it is much worse now in Gaza (over 15,000 children killed and hospitals are out of service and can’t keep count), but you clearly don’t see Palestinians as humans. To suggest that Putin is worse after more than 8 months of a genocide in Gaza is insulting.
Cool, come back when any of them have a single chance in hell of winning
They would if people didn’t vote against their own interests
I admire the optimism but the entire system needs to be reworked from the ground up and you know it
What is the joker guilty of in this allegory? nothing?
But you also don’t have Alfred as the one suiting up to fight the Joker either.
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Or you could run someone who doesn’t have their foot half in the grave.
angry Solomon Grundy noises
Who cares if they die day 1 in office? It’s about which party is in charge.
It’s about which person is not going to have and abuse his Presidential power.
Biden has been doing it too but yknow, abuse is cool when its blue.
Seems you clearly understood who I was talking about. The two are not the same, even remotely.
Trump wants power regardless of whether he wins the election or not, tried to take power when he lost, and many of his own cabinet appointees and his own vice president have come out against him. He spreads lies incessantly, sides with Putin in everyway and is denigrating to our intelligence agencies and military. Not to mention being a guy that brags about sexually assaulting women, talks about his own daughter sexually and was good friends with a known pedophile. He’s even said he wouldn’t release info on Epstein and those he associated with.
“I support abuse of presidential power when its blue”
Good for you, buddy
What power is Biden abusing exactly? And I’m a registered Republican btw, but not one that’ll support a fascist who has tried to dismantle our democracy.
That’s not a quote, you seem to be providing disinformation / lying / are incompetently insane. Which is it?
He’s saying we have to support Bidens abuse of power to protect us from Trump’s, so yes he is saying it. Abuse you support personally is still abuse.
Yes both are crooks, but one has performed far far more crimes than the other.
But okay, if > 1 is your threshold than by that measure they’re complete twins.
I’d rather Kamala be president than Trump, any day. Kamala isn’t a convicted felon.
Choice seems really easy, but so many people make life more complicated than it really is. I don’t get it anymore.
Because you keep presenting a false dichotomy and ignore the actual problem being discussed here.
The question is: do you want a senile person or a career prosecutor as a president?
The false dichotomy fallacy here is that we don’t have to choose either. There is still time to pick Robin. Younger; more charismatic; still moral.
show me robin.
Whitmer. Shapiro. Newsom, even.
Before anyone tries to claim polls show they wouldn’t do better than Biden against Trump let me remind people that this is without them having the endorsement of the dnc or the inevitable viral media attention they’d receive from endorsements from Obama or Biden himself. They’d surge overnight.
You know who isn’t surging? Biden. He’s been steadily declining in every single data-point, and the debate didn’t help.
So you know what 70% of voters have a problem with? How old the two current candidates are.
Give them what they want. Give Americans new exciting shit to vote for. This is the country that watches the Kardashians and American Idol for christ sake.
Maybe. On the other hand, changing out your candidate after one debate doesn’t inspire much confidence. And you lose the advantage a sitting president usually has in elections.
A new candidate might indeed do better, but the DNC is risk averse as hell. I don’t see them having the balls to make a move like this.
You know what inspires even less confidence? Biden.
The track record of the Biden administration is solid. Why should that change?
Because Biden isn’t solid.
He could be a bowl of jelly and it wouldn’t make a difference. He’s just the head of the Executive branch, where his job is pretty much signing/vetoing bills, hiring cabinet members, and nominating judges (with advice from said cabinet members). The alternative is a Nazi supported by the lines of the swastika-waving Nazis seen in Florida.
If it was about a poor debate performance akin to Obama vs Romney debate 1 I’d be inclined to agree.
The problem is this wasn’t really about the debate. It was about revealing to the country Biden’s clear senility problems, which at 81, won’t get better but certainly get worse.
And second to that: If Biden was 10 points ahead in the polls I’d also say okay maybe we just ride this out.
But he’s not. In fact relative to 2020 he’s been 10 pts behind pre-Debate. Losing in every battleground state as well.
To me I see the car crash happening up ahead and want to jump while we still have time.
Sadly I agree with your final comment. Today at Camp David was the day Biden could back out if his closest advisors and family pulled him aside. But they’re encouraging him to keep going.
i love bernie but he’s not an option
Only establishment israel dems are an option right?
I remember democrats saying bernie was inelectable. Where is that “he is unelectable” energy now that biden is unelectable?
Nope. That’s Denying the Correlative. In the general election, there are two choices of statistical significance, supporting the DNC candidate, or supporting the RNC candidate. The Right is consistent in voting and wins when there is lower turnout for the DNC candidate (they are a minority). Third parties are spoilers, generally bleeding votes from the DNC candidate, making it more likely that the RNC candidate wins.
The Democratic primary ended in early June. That was the time to get Robin in. Now, it’s too late for that and the choice is between Alfred, who should be retired, and the Joker, who should be retired and wants to replace democracy with a dictatorship, put anyone who was mean to him in prison, and expand ongoing genocides where he thinks that he can profit off of the real estate that used to belong to the murdered inhabitants.
Whoa, whoa, whoa… Who said anything about third-party?
The nominee isn’t official until the convention, which means we still have time. And I ask: what would happen between then and November should Biden suffer a fatal medical emergency or his condition get so worse it’s impossible to hide? Democrats would, of course, find a way to put someone else on the ticket.
So let’s not pretend it’s impossible or that the ship has sailed, for it has not.
If we actually grow a fucking backbone and realize that Biden:
- Is performing WORSE in EVERY WAY compared to his 2020 run (where he eeked by with 40,000 votes)
- Is performing WORSE than Hillary Clinton’s loss in 2016.
- 70% of the electorate BEFORE the catastrophic debate seen by 50 million people thought Biden was too old
- 64% of independents POST-debate say they want Biden replaced on the ballot.
… And let’s acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
Whoa, whoa, whoa… Who said anything about third-party?
Oh thank fuck.
I thought Biden was too old and too right-wing in 2020.
… And let’s acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
The only problems that I see with an open convention are candidate name recognition for those who pay no attention and the fact that GOP states have already been trying fuckery with the ballots.
You know the state ballot argument is a risk I hadn’t considered. I honestly don’t know enough to say how they could impact but it’s worth further consideration.
I think there would be a media frenzy if you saw a headline like, “BREAKING NEWS: PRESIDENT BIDEN RESIGNS; ENDORSES GRETCHEN WHITMER.” After which there would be viral social media and millions googling, “who is Whitmer?” Hopefully the conclusion they have is, “well she’s a fresh face and she’s younger than the other guy.”
I agree with you there. The ballots and irrational voters are still my greatest concern. There were attempts to block Biden from the ballot in swing states because of the DNC convention being later than the state deadline. Look to any avenue open to electoral fraud being taken advantage of.
I think the third party is a valid thing to keep in mind. The Republicans are a bit more “ends justify the means”, which translates to not letting themselves get distracted by “perfect is the enemy of the good”. So they might even prefer a third party, but they are less likely to because they tend to be a bit more coldly strategic in their voting.
With respect to they can ignore the results of the primary vote… but that’s exactly the sort of thing that people accussed them of when they put Hilary Clinton up as their candidate. So the right can tear into them for ‘coronating’ their candidate instead of doing an election.
While they can put up someone else, it would be a pretty desperate act, and it’s hard to know which bad option is the worst of the options.
Fair points but I don’t personally put much weight in the perception of what Republicans might say about a coronation for a couple reasons:
- All of us on the Democratic side just want Trump to lose.
- Anyone who voted for Joe Biden will vote for anyone under the Democratic ticket.
- Especially when Joe Biden, himself, endorses that candidate. It’s little different than letting Joe pick his own Vice President. It’s kind of like a transitive extension of one’s vote.
and it’s hard to know which bad option is the worst of the options.
And this is the thing that I’m 100% convinced of by this point, personally. I see not just little hope, but no hope for Biden winning at this stage. As I tried my best to convey, Biden is performing significantly worse compared to 2020 and even Hillary’s failed run. There’s kind of a diminishing-returns argument to be made at this point that the vast electorate knows both Trump and Biden through & through. There’s nothing new they’re going to realize that they don’t already know. So to move poll numbers now is next to impossible; and with that, the polls are going in the wrong direction for Biden, and the full effect of the debate hasn’t even set in.
So what does one do? Well between riding out the inevitable crash, I think we take the chance with another way. But we won’t do that by the looks of it. And I will bet large sums of money that Biden loses, unfortunately.
…who you also went vote for because "both sides*.
We absolutely cannot trust the DNC to not make the same mistake they made in 2016. But you are not wrong
There is still time to pick Robin
LOL. Uh huh. Sure bud.
I think you mean Nightwing.
Raven for President!
And who is Robin in this example?
John Stewart
The same Jon Stewart who has repeatedly expressed a strong desire never to go into politics?
Yep sounds like Robin
Cool, so we’re just going to make believe.
