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We need vitamin D3, and there aren’t that many sources you can get it from.
Most of the useful things in milk are there because we artificially added them in. There is no real reason for this, it’s just what we have been doing for a long time
You can get all the vitamin D you need from just 10-30 minutes midday a few times a week.
Also, cow’s milk doesn’t naturally contain vitamin D. Vitamin D is added to cow’s milk and is even required by law in some countries (Canada and Sweden). Might as well just drink any milk alternative fortified with vitamin D.
You can get all the vitamin D you need from just 10-30 minutes midday a few times a week.
Sure, I’m not arguing against that. Just pointing out there aren’t that many sources. And there are a lot of reasons people can’t go outside whenever they want to, biggest one for me is it gets really cold during the winter. No way I’m going outside to hang out when it’s 10 degrees outside.
If only humans could make their own vitamin D. Oh, wait
The major natural source of vitamin D is synthesis of cholecalciferol in the lower layers of the epidermis of the skin, through a photochemical reaction of UVB light, from the sun exposure (specifically UVB radiation) or UVB lamps.
Sure you can, but there’s also winter months where you can’t really go outside.
Thanks for pointing that out.
In the winter, only 10 percent of the body is exposed, and nearly 2 hours of sun exposure at noon is needed to produce a sufficient amount of vitamin D.
I thought less time was required.
All other mammals not drinking milk past infancy: Am I a joke to you?
Literally all you need to do is touch grass a few times a week.
that’s not a good argument. Other animals doesn’t cook food or wear clothes.
we do, since both things are older than our species, so we evolved this way. We’d die without cooking and clothes.
domestic animals and drinking milk are a newer thing, but our species do this weird things all the time.
that being said, vitamin D can be foud elsewhere lol
We have absolutely zero evolutionary need for milk past infancy. It’s all culture and marketing.
Just because we do those things you mentioned doesn’t mean they’re necessary. In fact, I assure you, neither clothes nor cooking are strictly necessary for an individual’s survival. They’re convenient and comfortable, but not physiologically necessary. Obviously we’d freeze in cold climates, but there are plenty of places on earth we could survive well enough without.
We do need vitamin D to survive, but you can literally just get it directly from sunlight. The more time you spend inside, and the more thoroughly you clothe yourself, the more likely you are to need to supplement it. Simple as. You only need 30m outside 3x a week (2hrs in winter regions).
Another funny thing about milk, is that all the natural vitamin A and D is removed in processing. They literally have to re-fortify it again, so the only reason it’s billed as this “healthy” thing is because it’s basically a lab-made liquid vitamin.
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Why are you looking through 7 month old posts for stuff to get mad about? Get a life bruh.
We have absolutely zero evolutionary need for chocolate. It’s all culture and marketing.
We have absolutely zero evolutionary need for coffee. It’s all culture and marketing.
We have absolutely zero evolutionary need for beer. It’s all culture and marketing.
You can apply that to virtually anything we consume that isn’t plants or meat.
We have absolutely zero evolutionary need for Lemmy. It’s all tankies and linux users.
Hey now! I’ll have you know that only about a third of my computers run Linux right now
Yes, exactly, now you’re getting it! Glad we agree. The entire argument being made here is a purely normative one, not of necessity.
Peak Lemmy for me is reading shit like this and being unsure if it is a joke or not
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Are you saying it’d be less weird to glug down human milk?
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Fair enough. Like the other commenter said in response, it’s good to remember that weird doesn’t mean bad, but you’re not wrong, it is pretty weird lol. The world is a goofy place :)
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You could make a similar argument as to why we eat animal meat instead of human meat and it would be just as stupid.
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You’re trying to make it seem like drinking milk is weird because it comes from an animal other than humans. But nearly all the food anyone eats comes from something that’s not a human.
You’re also ignoring one of the big reasons we don’t drink human milk for longer - most human mothers stop producing milk after a certain length of time, whereas cows and goats and the like produce it more regularly, for longer periods of time.
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Not dissing your argument at all, but my first thought was of babies eating little pieces of human flesh and it made me giggle. Well now that I wrote I down it just sounds freaky, but in my head it sounded silly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If we think about this way, yes it is indeed pretty weird but it has really great nutrients which are crucial for children to grow in a healthy way (in moderation just like with any other food, fruit, vegetable).
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I don’t think “it’s weird therefore bad” is a good argument. If you’re gonna argue for veganism (which I don’t have a problem work doing!) I think there are way, way better reasons.
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“it’s weird and should be more stigmatized” that seems to be making a moral claim right? I guess you never explicitly said that it’s because it’s weird that it should be stigmatized, but it certainly seemed to be structured like that.
And ah maybe I misunderstood, what you were saying just sounds like how a lot of ppl talk about it on the vegan forums I used to regular, lmao.
If the original comment was truly a sarcasm then I give a huge applause for Varyk. It’s certainly 200 IQ level.
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Yeah I was talking about milks too. Probably it’s relatively easy to supplement milk with other sources but are those choice economically viable? Protein powders are a bit expensive + as an average joe, payin 3x+ more for plant based milk products are bit too much for me currently, but a 2x could convince me to opt for a plant based one. I’m not really knowledgable in this area, there must be some other options too for replacing milk in a cost effective way.
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Yeah these are good options, though I’m an europoor I believe you, but personally I’m more likely interested in a milk alternative.
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Damn yeast as a viable alternative? Now that was an unexpected one, thank you for the info!
I love milk in my tea and cream in my coffee not to mention ice cream but it’s still meant for helping calfs grow quickly into cows at the same time. We are talking huge gains quickly here.
Some argue it’s why north American kids grow up so much faster and bigger than our Asian counterparts where milk and cheese is not as huge part of their diets. The kids hit puberty sooner too as a result. That’s changing in other parts of the world as cheese and milk make their ways into the diets even in places that never understood why Americans eat so much cheese on everything.
Low fat products created enormous sources of removed fat that could be turned into all kinds of dairy products including cheeses. It’s also heavily subsidized by government too. Dairy is so cheap in the US as a result compared to even Canada.
I don’t guzzle milk anymore like I did as a teen due to the amount of phlegm the body can create with its consumption. I’ve never forgotten a health video years ago that equated milk to drinking a glass of puss due to the things done to cows to make commercial milk.
I guess in my mind cheese is adjacent but not milk, but that’s just fooling myself as I eat my cheese.
It’s a huge industry in the west and I don’t think we will ever not see how great milk is for us. A lot is dedicated to keep those consumption numbers up and I do like my dairy products.
More weird than eating other things not intended for you to eat like animal meats?
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I dont know man. Ants are farming aphids for their sugary digestive secrets aka their shit. Bears eat Honey, which to all logic remains half digested bee-spit. Praying Mantis cut off the head off their mate after mating and eat it. Anglerfish males are not the mighty toothed beasts, but weird little parasites that nist themselves in the females and eat them from the inside until the female just lays its eggs before death.
So humans drinking other animals milk is maybe unique, but certainly not more weird than other ways of procurung nutrition, that nature invented.
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Milk isn’t some instinctual thing, humans know where milk comes from, know the cow has to be pregnant, and know which baby animals milk is for, and chose to build an industry around …
Neither is bread, beer, pizza or any other processed food. Think about it, how weird it is, that humans decided to take seeds, that they cannot digest well and isntead of letting the seeds just seed, they grind them with stones and then they add water and they let it spoil and then they take the spoiled bunch and put it over a fire. And of course it couldnt stop there no! they all started to make it in different ways and when they imagined some standarized symbols they added these symbols together to describe how to do it. And they learned how to breed the seeds so they get more of the white fluffy stuff and they started playing with the dirt to dirigate water to where the seeds grow. And then they noticed the seeds to grow better when they put animal shit on them, so they did that too. And then they used the little symbols they invented, to measure how much seeds each human is growing and how much seeds they need to give to the alpha-humans and some of these alpha humans got so rich with seeds, they built themselves giant gravestones, that are still among the largest buildings to this day.
You can describe anything that humans did since they stopped slapping bunnies with stone and collecting roots as being super weird. I share your criticism of industrialized farming, but not because it is less or more weird, but because it is detrimental to our survival and well being.
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You just arbitrarily define your level of detail.
Drinking milk also just started as:
try milk from lactating cow - realize you are able to digest it - get more milk from that cow.
All the rest that lead to most Europeans being lactose tolerant, which is an insane genetical success story and the subsequent refining of that process came later.
But maybe to help you with the seeds: A common way of breeding new seeds, that isnt specific GMO, is to radiate the seeds for random mutation. How is the following process not weird? “apply death ray to seed, get defeberated seed, see if it has any useful properties, crossbreed degenerated seed with less degenerated one until you get your right mix of degeneracy”
Or should we go about processing old dinosaur meat into transparent wrappings to buy our cow lactate in? Name it and i can tell you how it is weird. The process is just creative and the result is arbitrary.
Nobody born intended to be eaten by others. Why is that even a question?
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What am I supposed to wash this peanut butter down with; human milk? Disgusting!
Water? The thing adult humans evolved to drink.
Don’t appeal to evolution, evolution is weird. Evolution just does whatever survival says. If we can survive drinking milk, evolution is cool with it. But evolution is weird, evolution will be all like “You like cows milk huh? That’s cool, have you considered shrinking down and losing your brain and most internal organs to become a nipple latching milk parasite? No? Ok, I’ll ask again later.”
A good chunk of human adults also evolved to drink milk, my dude.
Adapted I think is a better term than evolved. Most people would be lactose intolerant if they stopped drinking milk after being weened off of breast milk.
Eh I feel like that is semantics. If we are specific and refer to how individuals adapt to be lactose tolerant, you could still say “humans evolved to drink milk” instead in reference to how the population of humans that could adapt and become lactose tolerant grew in relation to humans that couldn’t.
