Does it rat out CEO hunters though?
WTF they MUST KNOW which ones have shitty microphones F*** they have never asked, “Was it painful to shout your order at someone who is either trying or not” and the screen that shows you what the human they paid as little as allowed by law has transcribed, is broken half the time
They just want to make an economy they don’t have to pay anyone to profit from. That’s why slavery became Jim Crow became migrant labor and with modernity came work visa servitude to exploit high skilled laborers.
The owners will make sure they always have concierge service with human beings as part of upgraded service, like they do now with concierge medicine. They don’t personally suffer approvals for care. They profit from denying their livestock’s care.
Meanwhile we, their capital battery livestock property, will be yelling at robots about refilling our prescription as they hallucinate and start singing happy birthday to us.
We could fight back, but that would require fighting the right war against the right people and not letting them distract us with subordinate culture battles against one another. Those are booby traps laid between us and them by them.
Only one man, a traitor to his own class no less, has dealt them so much as a glancing blow, while we battle one another about one of the dozens of social wedges the owners stoke through their for profit megaphones. “Women hate men! Christians hate atheists! Poor hate more poor! Terfs hate trans! Color hate color! 2nd Gen immigrants hate 1st Gen immigrants!” On and on and on and on as we ALL suffer less housing, less food, less basic needs being met. Stop it. Common enemy. Meaningful Shareholders.
And if you think your little 401k makes you a meaningful shareholder, please just go sit down and have a juice box, the situation is beyond you and you either can’t or refuse to understand it.
What blows my mind about all this AI shit is that these bots are “programmed” by just telling them what to do. “You are an employee working at McDonald’s” and they take it from there.
Insanity.
Yeah fuck AI but can we stop shitting on fast food jobs like they are embarassing jobs to have that are somehow super easy.
What you should hate about AI is the way it is used as a concept to dehumanize people and the labor they do and this kind of meme/statement works against solidarity in our resistance by backhandedly insulting people working in fastfood.
Is it the most complicated job in the world? Probably not, but that doesn’t mean these jobs aren’t exhausting and worthy of respect.
The whole point of AI is to provide a narrative framework that allows the ruling class to further dehumanize labor and treat workers worse (because replacement with automation is just around the corner).
Realize that agreeing to this framework of low paid jobs as easy and worthless plays right into the actual reasons the ruling class are pushing AI so hard. The true power is in the story not the tech.
I don’t think it’s shitting on fast food jobs at all. The point of this is that taking orders at a fast food is, in the micro, an extremely easy task. What makes the job as a whole exhausting is the fact that you have to do that for a full shift and the human brain gets stressed from doing that. But AI doesn’t, and yet it’s messing up the simplest part of the job.
I don’t agree we can just authoritatively state in broad terms that working fastfood is extremely easy in any framing, especially for shit pay and lack of quality recuperation time associated with getting treated like you aren’t really a human being (more like an approximation of a robot).
That is my whole point.
I never said “working fast food” is extremely easy. What I said is, listening to a customer speaking and just relying that to a machine is extremely easy.
Doing that for a full shift is NOT easy. Doing that while being stressed because the pay is shit and you might even have another job on top of that is NOT easy. Being treated as a robot for half of your non-sleeping life is NOT easy. But all of those things are not easy for a human. None of these are issues for a software, whose hardest task is simply “listening to a customer speaking and just relying that to a machine”, which is, taking out of the equation human matters like stress, emotions and whatnot, extremely easy.
You are subscribing to an abstraction of the inherently human labor of preparing a to-go meal for someone that assumes one can or should utterly remove the human aspect of that interaction.
…and before someone comes at me with some form of an argument that I am arguing against a future with automation that will be better for everyone I want to emphasize that is again accepting a number of framings implicitly without first critically examining them.
For one, why is the profession of feeding people hot food in a speedy manner in remote places or late hours considered so unworthy of a basic respect that people constantly shit on it as a job?
If it is truly as demeaning and inhuman as we all casually assume when we use fast food labor as the butt of our points, as an insult in the form of association, than why can we only ever ask of technology in the context of the food service industry “how do we remove the humanity from this thing?” and never “how do we restore or embue humanity to this thing?”.
In otherwords, why does fastfood work have to be seen as unworthy of being considered a respectable job? If there is an existential crisis here to be solved it is clearly not with helping massive corporations further slash operating costs and investments in stable decent employment, but with examining and addressing what horrifically went wrong that we have slept walk (by and large) into thinking this is an ok or healthy way to think about other human beings.
…I don’t think I understood your point. I’ll try giving my answers to these questions but I’m sure I misunderstood most of them.
For one, why is the profession of feeding people hot food in a speedy manner in remote places or late hours considered so unworthy of a basic respect that people constantly shit on it as a job?
In otherwords, why does fastfood work have to be seen as unworthy of being considered a respectable job?
Because it’s a terrible job that I don’t think anyone actually wants to do. We’ve already talked about how stressful and unsatisfying it is as a job, there’s pretty much no upside to it.
why can we only ever ask of technology in the context of the food service industry “how do we remove the humanity from this thing?” and never “how do we restore or embue humanity to this thing?”
Personally, because I don’t think it’s possible. It’s a very “mechanical” job (save a very small number of people like restaurant chefs), and giving it “humanity” (less stressful shifts, less pressure and higher pay) is counterproductive to both what companies want (more money) and what customers want (to eat food for cheap and quickly, even at odd times or in odd places).
I think it’s one of the best jobs to be replaced because it’s easy (for a machine) and no human actually likes doing it. The issue is, of course, that the cut costs will go straight to the pockets of the CEOs and will not be used to improve the customer experience (or at least make it cheaper), so the working class will just have less jobs while having to pay the same to eat, but that’s a widespread issue with capitalism that’s far harder to fix.
If there is an existential crisis here to be solved it is clearly not with helping massive corporations further slash operating costs and investments in stable decent employment, but with examining and addressing what horrifically went wrong that we have slept walk (by and large) into thinking this is an ok or healthy way to think about other human beings.
I feel like you’re conflating two things here: people that don’t consider “working at a fast food” worthy of respect (imo rightfully, because again, it’s a terrible job), and people that don’t consider “people who work at a fast food” worthy of respect (probably because they believe in the “hustler” mentality and are convinced that it’s their fault if they’re stuck with a shitty job).
My opinions on a job and on someone who work at said job are vastly different, and not just for the food industry. I’m guessing a lot of people also think similarly, I’ve never seen people shit on fast food workers as people, except for the aforementioned delusional types who think anyone could be a billionaire if they just put in “enough work”.
Again, sorry but I don’t think I really got the meaning of your last comment so do tell me if I completely missed your point and all my answers were gibberish based on assumptions I had.
Personally, because I don’t think it’s possible. It’s a very “mechanical” job (save a very small number of people like restaurant chefs), and giving it “humanity” (less stressful shifts, less pressure and higher pay) is counterproductive to both what companies want (more money) and what customers want (to eat food for cheap and quickly, even at odd times or in odd places).
I think it’s one of the best jobs to be replaced because it’s easy (for a machine) and no human actually likes doing it.
These two paragraph are full of the common assumptions and generalizations we assert as a society about fastfood work and frankly I am tired of having to nod my head and pretend like they are indisputable facts. Nothing you said is evidence, you have just dutifully sketched out the narrative we use to dehumanize fastfood work (and other “essential work”).
My opinions on a job and on someone who work at said job are vastly different, and not just for the food industry. I’m guessing a lot of people also think similarly, I’ve never seen people shit on fast food workers as people, except for the aforementioned delusional types who think anyone could be a billionaire if they just put in “enough work”.
You are participating in a very dangerous slight of hand here by saying that in a society that utterly defines your worth and potential from your job that it is theoretically reasonable to disparage a job because why would anyone ever conflate a person with their job??
Everything about our society conflates the identity of people with their job (especially along vectors of oppression), any attempt to divide those two except as basically an academic excersize is pointless and harmfully obscures the extremely class based rigidity of the society we live in (speaking as a USian, tho I am sure the pattern isnt tooo different elsewhere).
People have been convinced by the rich to think fastfood work is demeaning, pathetic and worthless and I think it is honestly pretty disgusting how willing people are to jump on that bandwagon and do free work for the ruling class in helping undermine worker leverage to demand a decent life.
These two paragraph are full of the common assumptions and generalizations we assert as a society about fastfood work and frankly I am tired of having to nod my head and pretend like they are indisputable facts. Nothing you said is evidence, you have just dutifully sketched out the narrative we use to dehumanize fastfood work (and other “essential work”).
…so what exactly is wrong about what I said? You’re saying they’re assumptions and generalizations but didn’t bring any counterpoint.
People have been convinced by the rich to think fastfood work is demeaning, pathetic and worthless and I think it is honestly pretty disgusting how willing people are to jump on that bandwagon and do free work for the ruling class in helping undermine worker leverage to demand a decent life.
I… really don’t think that’s what’s happening? At least barring the aforementioned delusional people. If anything, jobs that are considered horrible and demeaning like certain teachers and nurses get MORE sympathy from the public exactly because we see that’s a terrible way of living and that’s not okay.
What do you think we should do then? Act like it’s an awesome job and everyone is happy doing it? Wouldn’t that have the opposite effect of making people think all is good and nothing needs improvement?
I have to had so many conversations with people still thinking fast food is only for high school kids. It’s odd. If I say how will they be open during school hours, they make up some bullshit ‘get a better job.’ It doesn’t make snese. Most of these people don’t have good jobs and are lucky to be supported in their current lifestyle. They don’t see that though.
I try to push the point of ‘they are paying for your time and for you to be on standby.’ you don’t need to be actively moving all 8 hours. Your bosses don’t. I’ve seen so many waste of time meetings to justify their welfare jobs. It’s comical. They don’t produce value. They are leeches. Not all, but too many.
I hate that talking point so much (and hear it all the time from people complaining about immigrants turkin ur jerbs). The Fast-Food-Jobs-Are-Brutal-And-Pay-Shit-Wages-Because-They’re-Building-Teen-Character narrative is anti-worker bullshit that denies folk job security and a living wage.
Someone’s widowed nan needs this job. The single dad living next door needs this job. A diverse workforce - that includes young people looking for a summer gig - need this job.
In other words, an AI-supported radiologist should spend exactly the same amount of time considering your X-ray, and then see if the AI agrees with their judgment, and, if not, they should take a closer look. AI should make radiology more expensive, in order to make it more accurate.
But that’s not the AI business model. AI pitchmen are explicit on this score: The purpose of AI, the source of its value, is its capacity to increase productivity, which is to say, it should allow workers to do more, which will allow their bosses to fire some of them, or get each one to do more work in the same time, or both. The entire investor case for AI is “companies will buy our products so they can do more with less.” It’s not “business customers will buy our products so their products will cost more to make, but will be of higher quality.”
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You don’t need AI for this and it’s probably Not using “AI”
Also in other Countries there is No bullshit Separation between Nurses and “Techs”
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Hey, do you want to go fuck yourself?
I work in the hospital world and tele techs are working harder than nurses 99% of the time. So what job title do you have that makes you feel special? ⭐🖕⭐
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Pull up to McDonald’s, order a Big Mac, fries and orange juice. Pay and take the bag at the window. Open the bag at the park, it’s cancer medicine! Some little kid in the hospital is eating your fries! Stupid AI, second time this week!
Edit: I’m willing to take my downvotes, but I need to know, is it because I made a joke about little kids being denied cancer medicine by stupid AI? Or is it because I like orange juice?
Who the fuck drinks orange juice with a Big Mac and fries!?
It’s as sweet as soda and no bubbles to take up space needed for Special Sauce and fries.
Or worse, its a burger. Who’s eating my cancer medicine?!??
Well, my joke was really about the little kid being denied cancer medicine by the same AI being used by the insurance company…
plenty of people can’t reason either. the current state of AI is closer to us than we’d like to admit.
I mean… duh? The purpose of an LLM is to map words to meanings… to derive what a human intends from what they say. That’s it. That’s all.
It’s not a logic tool or a fact regurgitator. It’s a context interpretation engine.
The real flaw is that people expect that because it can sometimes (more than past attempts) understand what you mean, it is capable of reasoning.
Not even that. LLMs have no concept of meaning or understanding. What they do in essence is space filling based on previously trained patterns.
Like showing a bunch of shapes to someone, then drawing a few lines and asking them to complete the shape. And all the shapes are lamp posts but you haven’t told them that and they have no idea what a lamp post is. They will just produce results like the shapes you’ve shown them, which generally end up looking like lamp posts.
Except the “shape” in this case is a sentence or poem or self insert erotic fan fiction, none of which an LLM “understands”, it just matches the shape of what’s been written so far with previous patterns and extrapolates.
Well yes… I think that’s essentially what I’m saying.
It’s debatable whether our own brains really operate any differently. For instance, if I say the word “lamppost”, your brain determines the meaning of that word based on the context of my other words around “lamppost” and also all of your past experiences that are connected with that word - because we use past context to interpret present experience.
In an abstract, nontechnical way, training a machine learning model on a corpus of data is sort of like trying to give it enough context to interpret new inputs in an expected/useful way. In the case of LLMs, it’s an attempt to link the use of words and phrases with contextual meanings so that a computer system can interact with natural human language (rather than specifically prepared and formatted language like programming).
It’s all just statistics though. The interpretation is based on ingestion of lots of contextual uses. It can’t really understand… it has nothing to understand with. All it can do is associate newly input words with generalized contextual meanings based on probabilities.
I wish you’d talked more about how we humans work. We are at the mercy of pattern recognition. Even when we try not to be.
When “you” decide to pick up an apple it’s about to be in your hand by the time your software has caught up with the hardware. Then your brain tells “you” a story about why you picked up the apple.
I really don’t think that is always true. You should see me going back and forth in the kitchen trying to decide what to eat 😅
Tbh if I told half the doctors and top scientists in the world to take my burger order, or flip the patty, they’d fall apart and fuck it up. It’s apples and oranges
Assuming you taught them how to enter orders into the till (the AI was “trained” on how to input orders, let’s compare apples to apples here) no, they wouldn’t fuck it up. They would be slower than a regular employee but they wouldn’t fuck up what people wanted.
Oh, and if they weren’t sure for some reason they would ask somebody for help instead of making shit up.
I mean they likely would because employees regularly fuck up my order. I don’t really go to fast food anymore but when I do it’s almost inevitable that there’s at least one minor fuck up on my order even when I try to be very very clear on my order.
I do my best to be one of those people that is clear concise and says the items exactly as they are listed on the menu but somehow I still end up with mistakes in my order pretty regularly when I do go
And do you think those people fucking up your order would do well if you put them in an education, research, or any other high-stakes position?
If given proper education and training? Yeah sure even the stupidest people you know are capable of learning at the end of the day. But most people have not the means and they are increasingly discouraged from even trying since we constantly hear about people with expensive high-end degrees ultimately just starting at the bottom like everybody else
So you don’t think Doctors or Scientists could take orders correctly, but you do think the people fucking up your orders could do well as a Doctor or Scientist. I can only conclude from this that you think order taking is more complicated than Medicine or Science.
My point was everyone fucks up the orders. Regardless of knowledge. You’re being asked to work at an incredible pace during rush hour and you do the same thing hundreds of times per day. Your going to default to whatever is the most common purely out of muscle memory not lack of knowledge.
Like when I ask for a quarter pounder Deluxe which is supposed to come with the tomatoes and lettuce but I end up just getting a quarter pounder even though the receipt says Deluxe. They aren’t stupid it’s just that 99% of the time it’s just the quarter pounder and it’s muscle memory they didn’t even realize they fucked it up.
Science research and medical practice have some routines sure but not to the extent of fast food orders where 90% of your day is mindless repetition
Ai or someone muscle memorying a mistake my order was messed up all the same
