So Israel’s genocidal rampage is more important than winning in Iran, and all the US military over there are sacrificing their lives for no (useful) reason. I don’t get why the right-wingers aren’t more incensed over this crap.
It’s a death cult.
It’s the mental illness epidemic of fascism
Once someone accepts hatred into their heart, they’re easy to control, and most of these people have had 20 years of Islamophobia mainlined 24/7.
They don’t see humans anymore because their brain shuts off at “Muslim”.
And it’s the exact same playbook used by every fascist. Give them someone to hate, and they’ll let you do basically anything as long as you actively hurt the people you told them to hate.
Why not both? Is there even a difference?
because christian fascism
this guy Chris Hedges
Definitely one of my heros
Cult + they will never be informed of this on fox and/or be told this is a great thing for national security
So Israel’s genocidal rampage is more important than winning in Iran
No, duh! They already won in Iran. Haven’t you heard Dear Leader? Iran’s utterly destroyed and the Strait is open! If you have high gas prices is because that damned Zelensky is bombing poor Russia’s oil infrastructure!
and also cutting oil demand by using solar panels is trans for some reason
winning in Iran,
lol. Even if USA “wins”, the planet loses as usual. But realistically there’s no end to this imperial terror attack. It’s been happening for centuries.
Your Medicaid and SNAP benefits hard at work!
I’m sending my health care! Hopefully I can die quickly and quietly to push that line just a bit higher for corporate overlords. Hail corporate!
That’s a lot of food stamps to cut so bibi the nazi can keep his genocide running.
Food stamps for the needy? Bad!
Bomb stamps for a genocidal regime? Good?
If welfare queens exist, then Israel is the ultimate welfare queen. Just sucking up money and never becoming a productive member of the world.
I’d argue they’re welfare fraudsters rather than welfare queens. They’ve got tons of money, most of the tech industry is connected to Israeli engineering. They’re just also constantly getting even more money so they don’t need to spend as much of their own money. Always best to waste someone else’s money.
I’d argue they’re welfare fraudsters rather than welfare queens.
“Welfare fraudster” is exactly what “welfare queen” means, and is why the term is so offensive.
Ah I always thought welfare queen just meant lazy and living off it, rather than rich and claiming it.
It’s time for the Final Solution. Then Trump and Kushner can finally develop the Jewish Dubai out of the ruins. That’s what he’s getting in exchange for full collaboration.
It’s not even money they are cutting from social programs, it’s all borrowed. The ruling class are going for broke, we will be at 50 trillion debt by 2028 easy. I bet even more, all they need is a national emergency.
Fuck isreal. It should be wiped off the map.
That would mean killing Palestinians, which is what they’re already doing.
You pay for their bombs. The money they save allows them to have socialized healthcare.
You bust your ass to keep your family with healthcare … and your government helps another country provide THEIR citizens healthcare.
Let that shit sink in.
Yep. This is the argument to make to Republicans. We pay for socialized healthcare for Israel. Ask them to explain why we can justify that while also making cuts to other international healthcare initiatives and denying healthcare to Americans.
You also pay a crapton of taxes for heathcare in your own country. More than a lot of countries with socialised healthcare, in fact. You just then have to also pay even more for health insurance so you can then need to pay out of pocket for the lifesaving healthcare you’ve already paid twice for.
You’re assuming they’d be capable of rational thought?
The joke is that the US doesn’t help other countries. It does things to look good but genuinely helping a country build up, won’t happen, not unless there’s a military motive or a motive to still have proxy control and liquidating all those those who don’t commit.
I mean i think the money going to bombs is the worst part, i don’t feel too bad about paying for someone else’s healthcare
I thought if we didn’t vote Harris this genocide would stop.
I was told if I voted for her we’d be in a war with Iran by now. The person that told me that has since “stopped caring” about politics
I was told the genocide would be good if it was a Dem doing it!
Strawman.
No one said this, ever!
No shit, lmao, it’s called hyperbole.
No, strawman was correct.
No, it wasn’t.
Are you talking about Kamala “my platform is whatever the party tells me it is” Harris? She’s an opportunist asshole who’ll say whatever she thinks will further her political career. This Harris?
Still better than a pedophile rapist who is robbing you blind hut I guess that is just what you’re in to
Could we raise our standards, please?
You can start with not voting for a fraudulent pedophile maybe
I didn’t vote for him.
Then vote against him
I vote for democrats straight down the ballot every single time, including for Harris. I’ve never voted for a republican in my entire life. Voting doesn’t work when there are only two sides and they both agree on the same thing like their full-throated support of genocide. The democratic party strategy of “at least we’re slightly better than hitler” is not a winning strategy.
What candidate did you vote for that wasn’t supporting the genocide in Gaza?
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As an outsider, the leader that collapses the US the fastest is the best choice, so good job!
The US isn’t going to collapse. Its immense wealth and power will simply be wielded differently depending on who controls it. And your preference is to hand that power to Trump, a preference held by other enemies of liberal democracies globally.
Lmao, Rome lasted forever too, buddy. And the sun never sets on the British empire!
Bad bot.
Do you think someone licking AIPAC’s ass would not support the genocide or are you identifying yourself as a bad hasbara bot?
This is what liberals want.
I think you mean my-platform-is-whatever-the-party-tells-me-it-is Harris.
You’re welcome.
I don’t remember Harris promising to not send billions to Israel either
A big problem with democracy is you have to assume people pay attention and are intelligent.
I asked about ending all aids and weapons to israel. Your article do not mention anything about that
I wish Harris was president right now.
Same. It would have exposed people like you. I also hope the dems will wins the midterm and next presidential election to expose how they was never against ending the war of aggression on Iran
I don’t know who is paying you, but the war in Iran MIGHT have happened under Harris, but we know it DID happen under Trump, against the VEHEMENT opposition of EVERY SINGLE PERSON who would still be in power if he’d lost, Gaza is still fucked and EVERYBODY else is doing poorly on every measure too now. Fuck talking about the US - worldwide:
The environment is fucked, 50 degree summers are a foregone conclusion now, left-wing parties are being stomped across countries where they used to be either dominant or competitive, mass extinction and the most brutal El Nino in recorded history are about to steamroll the planet unimpeded, money that used to be used to protect the vulnerable in countries that were damaged by imperialism is instead being used to build useless monuments to nothing, government surveillance is on the rise in EVERY country, human rights are collapsing in most…
Even if you’re an ignorant as fuck tankie, even the “socialist countries fighting the imperialist US” are doing demonstrably worse than they used to be, with the possible lone exception of North Korea, so whatever point you think you’re making is laughable.
Not a single word about the real victims of the war of aggression, theeht but Iranians civilians. You do not give a damn about the war you just use it for your shitty political game
The war against Iran definitely wouldn’t have happened under her. This is entirely about Trump being easily fooled by Nethanyahu and him really really wanting to be a wartime president. It is a very personal war and also why it is extra stupid.
Even Bush jr. who started wars left and right was not so stupid as to start one with Iran.
Don’t put words in my mouth
People who are against genocides like the one in Palestine by Israel, the one in Ukraine by Russia and China’s genocide of the Uyghurs?
No anti genocide in Gaza would defend Kamala and act like she would save Palestinians similar to no trump defender are opposing genocide in Gaza
I said literally the same thing voting for Biden in 2020.
It did expose them. And yet here they still are, pretending that centrist Dems are in any way different other than the rationales they give for empire.
She also said she wouldn’t do anything differently than Biden. Many times.
Still would prefer that to what we have now.
Yes, because when the dems were doing their genocide, life was still comfortable in America, and you’re very selfish.
You’re ALSO assuming that the people who who made that argument were doing so in good faith and ACTUALLY give a fuck about Gaza, and not trolls whose entire MO is to watch the world burn - a proposition I think you’re giving them WAY too much credit with.
And Trump promised to restore peace in the Middle East.
Nobody thinks that of 'Muricans
Idk guise. Maybe the DNC is to blame for pushing unpopular candidates to representation. Idk. Something something two parties something constitution…
The you’re stupider than we gave you credit for, lol.
Please refrain from Ad Hominem attacks.
It’s hard when it comes to such colossal idiocy.
100% that was sarcasm
They were both not going to do anything about it. Trump is way worse though.
They’re trying to stop it… with lots of bombs so there’s no one left to kill
I thought if
wethey didn’tvotenominate Harris this genocide would stop.FTFY.
Damn so that’s the problem, I voted Harris!
wait, are you saying she’s no longer working tirelessly for a ceasefire?
I can’t imagine how it must feel to be a Palestinian-American refugee in the US.
They’re literally funding the genocide of their own family by paying taxes (as are the rest of US)
This is assuming they’re not already all rounded up by ICE.
No, you still have to pay taxes. Even when you’re actively being tortured in a cage.
yup, you americans voted for this, and after two years of theft, bribery and wanton destruction? you still do nothing.
The fuck do you expect us to do? Most of us are one missed paycheck away from homelessness.
Do what you can to fight back. Trying to survive is how they want you kept busy. Stop buying consumerist things. Stop shopping at Walmart and target and Amazon. Join community groups. Vote. Attend rallies.
You personally may already do that bit most don’t. Union membership is down globally. Big tech is taking control and hasn’t had a useful product in a generation.
How do you propose we get a significant amount of people to do that? Hell, there’s a lot of places where Walmart might be the only choice, and if there is another choice it’s Dollar General, which is in some ways even worse than Walmart.
I can’t even really afford “consumerist things” (whatever that means, in my house we’re barely treading water with just the essentials at this point.
What have you tried so far?
What have you tried so far?
Not my country.
…but in my country I’m a member of a few human right organisations and I lend some time to local political efforts. It’s not much, but it’s more than most.
There have been protests all over the country all summer.
if you mean No Kings . . . no, those are parades.
You’re a moron.
sure thing. Make sure you don’t block traffic!
Make sure to pull your head out of your ass.
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Yes, I’ve been to some. Why do you care?
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I’m not genociding anyone and have no say over what the nut in the Whitehouse does. I find it odd that your username is a King of the Hill character though. Don’t come at me for shit I have no control over.
Something tells me the people who participated in the Civil Rights Movement weren’t exactly swimming in money either.
Protests have been going on non-stop since day one of the administration.
These “protests” are almost all weekend parades. If the Civil Rights Movement was like this it would’ve ended up a footnote in history. You should look up what MLK and crew actually did to get where they ended up. And of course, the Civil Rights Movement did employ wasn’t as peaceful as the textbooks would have you believe. So I guess what I want to say is: Do what MLK did then you can say you tried.
Yes, let’s riot under an administration that’s itching to call for nation wide marshal law.
You don’t live here, do you? If that’s the case, then I forgive your ignorance on the situation we’re in. Otherwise, what are you doing?
I don’t, in fact, live in America, but also the problem here is that your democracy has no future unless you do something. The time where this could be resolved without significant personal risk is long past. If you think the risk of regime retaliation is worse than the risk of living under MAGA for the next two decades, then sure, but know that those are the options you’re looking at here.
I don’t think you understand the likelihood of what you want resulting in our deaths. They’ve already killed numerous protesters. I live 1,100 Miles from DC. Hell, the closest real city is a hundred miles from me. I feel like you don’t understand the size and how spread out the country is. You seem to have this idea that we can just flip the do something switch and things magically happen.
You want to believe that you’re just better than us and that it can’t happen in your country, when it has likely already begun.
Fash put people in cages for 30 years just for having zines.
Let’s be clear about what we’re dealing with.
Most Americans did not vote for this.
Around 30-something% of people voted for Harris. The rest voted for pedohitler or didn’t vote. If you didn’t vote, you helped pedohitler be where it is.
Nah. Fuck the US government we don’t have control of it. US isn’t a real democracy if it ever was.
I mean I agree people should vote and do more to stop fascism but failing to do so doesn’t make you responsible for other people’s actions. Frankly if all you’re doing is voting for Harris in this current disaster then you are barely better than a non-voter anyway.
I mean I agree people should vote and do more to stop fascism but failing to do so doesn’t make you responsible for other people’s actions.
Yes, it does. If your choices are Hitler and someone you disagree with but who’s not Hitler and you don’t vote, you’re saying that both Hitler and the other person are OK for you. So yeah, you are accepting that getting Hitler as president is fine.
Imagine believing there’s a non-hitler choice in USA. jfc.
The two choices were Hitler. Biden was in the middle of a genocide and then trump came in and continued it.
Or maybe you fell for disinformation or maybe you just weren’t paying attention or maybe you thought your vote was more impactful boosting a third Party candidate because your state wasn’t going to be close anyway or maybe you couldn’t get off work that day and they closed the polling station near your house so it would have taken 2 hours by bus and you’d have gotten fired.
Lots of reasons people didn’t do the optimal thing around voting. Some of those are more excusable than others but none make you directly responsible for the things Trump and his followers are doing. They are responsible for their own actions. We are responsible for our own. That’s all.
And again, I personally don’t think we will get out of this solely by voting. People need to stop limiting political action solely to making a largely inconsequential mark on a piece of paper.
People really overestimate in how much of the US a person’s vote for president matters. Like 2/3rds of the states aren’t even within reach of a wave election. And the people who could have an impact on the result but stayed home aren’t in a niche politics forum and are really checked out of politics. Like shockingly so. A non-voting acquaintance of mine was going to vote for a conservative nobody because he thought their name sounded cool.
The idea that the 30% non-voters should vote makes sense in a civic ideal sort of way, but they’re not going to show up as secret defenders of liberal democracy. They’re going to be very susceptible to propaganda and those that aren’t are going to vote for Idiocracy-level dumb reasons. Trump’s initial election made big gains from non-voters who are now shocked that he’s doing things he said he’d do.
Actually, that’s not really true I’m sorry.
Trump is America’s great shame. He has harmed people financially all over the world, and he has presided over a dramatic increase in greenhouse gas emissions.
In the same way todays Australians bear the responsibility for attrocities perpetrated on first nations people before we were born, Americans for generations to come will bear responsibility for Trump.
I think we have an ethical obligation to do what we can to stop him, because there are some levers of power we have access to that can harm his power. Voting is one of them, and I encourage people to do it. Tax resistance, protesting, organizing work, and direct action are even more effective, so arguably between people who solely vote and solely do those things, the voters are not pulling their weight.
But having an ethical responsibility to act and being directly, personally responsible are two different things. You fundamentally can’t blame people for the actions of someone else. That’s not right. No matter what the non-fascists in the US do, the fascists are going to continue trying to do all the horrible things they do. And due to their various illegal and unethical schemes, they’ve rigged the electoral system to give them minority rule.
The only reason people believe stuff like this is because of nationalism. People are indoctrinated to believe that nations are some homogeneous cohesive entity. Nations aren’t real. They’re just artificial collections of individuals only united by the systemic oppression of the state. It’s not much different than gender or racial essentialism. And it’s the same reason Israelis blame all Palestinians for Oct 7th instead of merely the soldiers and leaders who carried it out. This is the logic of collective punishment, and it should be attacked everywhere it appears.
“If you don’t participate in an evil system, then you’re responsible for it.”
Harris supported sending billions in weapons to Israel and did so. So you voted for this as well.
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Yeah I agree. That’s the biggest problem.
Huh? Have you not been paying even the slightest bit of attention to what people are saying about what’s been happening here? Almost no one likes what is happening. Most people want meaningful change, just look at the amount of socialists getting wins in the past few months. We aren’t rioting, sure. But we are trying, we are making noise and making progress.
I see all the hope put in the socialists. I do hope they get enough power to change things. Because otherwise, arguing on who votes for whom is almost a moot point:
https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/
It’s only about choosing between people screwing you politely and with decent manners vs gross and vulgar.
You see what ICE is armed with? No thx man. My state says I shouldn’t even have a firearm and that I should trust the popo.
Even with that, folks are fighting against it (both nonviolently and with arms), and they’re getting tortured and murdered for their resistance
We didn’t vote our way into this and we cannot vote our way out of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKmWa8p4UM
Any action you could possibly suggest that could make a major immediate impact would be illegal and would be cracked down upon harshly. People have been protesting the whole time but they’re either ignored or quashed, and it’ll only get worse thanks to the massive AI surveillance state that the parasites get wet dreams about. We can only hope the actions we take will move the needle at some point, but there is an immense force holding up israel.
get a rifle, or get out is the long and short of it
Americans voted for genocide since the creation of israel
America was basically founded on genocide.
Basically?
To be fair to USians, their voting and ejection system is total crap.
It wasn’t just 2 years. Both major parties support funding this genocidal state.
I thought we needed those bombs? Didn’t Biden cause the problem by giving away all our precious bombs to Ukraine, not TACO with his Iran war? So I guess the shortage must be over if we have enough to give to Israel. Such a relief to know we are safe again.
Different bombs. These are dumb bombs, US can’t get close enough to Iran to use these. They tried already and lost aircraft. So they have to use guided bombs and missiles.
Israels genocide is uncontested, so they have no issues dropping dumb bombs.
It was my understanding most of it was WWII surplus.
The WWII surplus basically doesn’t exist outside museums. The vast majority would have been used (especially in training) or updated. Even just chemical instability and environmental degradation would have made anything too dangerous to really leave in an arsenal.
Maybe it was old surplus, but not WWII. I heard that on a YouTube channel called Luke Beasley.
WWII surplus would have been used in Korea or the Vietnam war I would assume
to be fair, Biden also gave lots of bombs to Israel
Yes but he failed to drop them on Iran.
Israel was founded by USA and UK after WW2 for a reason.
Since founding, the USA has always funded their military. Not only did you buy the bombs, tanks, and so on, your parents did too, and your grandparents, and your great grandparents (if you are American, anyway). There’s a reason that every President I know of has flown out to Israel and visited the Prayer Wall and worn the little hat. It’s considered vital to our strategic interests in the area (that’s not my assessment).
… and not only Israel! If memory serves, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have also received a lot of military aid.
… and money! So much money is funneled to ME, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Iraq, and more.
There are few things in life that you can count on, and that’s death, taxes, and US military aid to Israel.
This is one thing that bOtH pArTiEs agree on, there’s no “anti-Israel” voting option.
That’s one thing people don’t get. Folks have been sick of Israel’s shit since I’ve been born. We stopped complaining because it does no good.
Folks yes, corporations no
I thought they were running out of bombs for their own “war”?
You don’t need guidance systems when you’re dropping munitions indiscriminately on women and children.
TBF when the Americans use guided munitions, they tend to drop them on an awful lot of innocents.
Including a girls school
“Guided”
These are big-ass bombs used to blow up schools and hospitals. We have plenty, since that’s what we love doing. What we’re short on is air-defence missiles, like patriots, since we aren’t used to anyone bombing back.
Israel needs to take care of itself. This shit is ridiculous.
Israel needs to take care of itself. This shit is ridiculous.
What do you think they’re doing with the genocide, etc.? That’s a primary goal of zionism. That’s how zionists “take care” of themselves.
What I mean is we shouldn’t be footing the bill.
The west should take care of israel the same way they took care of nazi germany.
How does a leech take care of itself? Is blood sucking considered taking care of itself?
I would argue that it could be, although I’m not trying to defend blood sucking leeches.
Rollingstone doing the Lord’s work with this one.
No Medicare or Medicaid, no snap, no climate protection, gas crisis, housing crisis But but… BUT!!! MONEY FOR EXPLODY SHIT AND A MASS BRIBE!!!
Make a list of all the US addresses; When israel uses the bombs, some people should get a letter thanking them for buying the bomb that was just dropped on X location. Would be good for folks to know where their taxes are going
Should include photos of the children and pregnant women and journalist killed.
You can bet Israel has their photos
