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Once you try Vim you will never use another text editor. Or any other program for that matter because you won’t be able to exit.
I also had that experience with emacs, which has a built in help system. I couldn’t find a topic on ‘exit’ or ‘quit’ and refused to just search online.
Took me half an hour.
and refused to just search online
Unless you were f*cked by your ISP as I am right now, that’s having some balls. Or being masochist. But nothing in between
I really didn’t want to let it win.
I’m editor bilingual but im a bit rusty in Emacs, so skill check: its C-x C-c right?
Ctrl + meta + butterfly
Yes. Though I believe it only kills the current frame if there are multiple
No, I think that exits. C-c k kills the buffer, C-x 0 (zero) will kill the frame. But I may have changed my binds and can never remember which is window and which is frame in emacs terms.
However, it’s somewhat moot as just about everywhere you run emacs, it’ll open up in gui mode and you can use the file menu. (Or use F10 to bring up the menus in terminal, but I have no idea where on the manual it would say that)
What are you running MS-DOS? laughs in multi-tasking.
I just drag my vi terminals to another workspace and launch a new editor.
I just drag my vi terminals to another workspace and launch a new editor.
I see what you did there. Lol.
Emacs
nano just works for me man
Getting used to vim has made nano unusable for me. The muscle memory is too strong. That and all of the regex and plugin features (ex. LSP) are just too useful.
I had the same experience. Nano is great if you’re used to notepad or a generic, limited text editor.
Once you learn a terminal editor like eMacs or vim, why go back? So much less hand motion going to mouse, arrows, and back.
Only a Vim user can call RegEx an advantage
I use macros to solve most of the same problems. You just on-the-fly record a sequence of regular vim commands that you can then replay as many times as you need. Great for formatting a bunch of data without having to deal with the misery of regex
Also a good choice. Just never had the need since I knew a bit of regex before learning vim.
The ability to use a powerful, standardized string query and transformation language if one wants? Yes, I do call it an advantage.
I liked Micro just a little bit more than Nano
I tried Micro and I found that its just Nano with a better interface and much easier to use. Its great actually but I like the vim movements.
first time hearing about it gota give it a try
alias vim=“nano”
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You forgot
alias v=nvim
Vim is a puzzle based text editor
Exactly, it is lovely. Editing text with it is actually enjoyable.
The dopamine rush when you nail a complicated
%sregex search-and-replace first try is insaneAww yeah. Feels good.
Performing all those whacky movements and operations is nothing short of an arcade gaming experience.
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Helix <3
vanilla helix is so nice, the keybindings make so much more sense and it feels really comfortable
Yeah hx. It was hx that finally made me use vi style navigation and now I choose vim over nano almost always.
I’m halfway between hx and vim, I vastly prefer the helix/kakoune philosophy of selection, then action over vim, but I’m dearly missing plug-in support for Helix
I was going to point to visual.nvim as a possible middle ground, but it’s now archived :(
Disclaimer: I haven’t actually tested it myself
I’m just gonna be patient. Vanilla Helix is very much usable for everything I need it for at the moment, with built in LSP support, and plug-in support is on the horizon. Not sure when exactly, but it’s gonna happen eventually
Yeah I’m with you there, vanilla helix meets basically 90% of my needs so I’m not in any real rush to change
This, but Emacs
This, but Emacs
Nooo not the pinky ! :(
(setq evil-mode 'pinky)
With evil installed
HELL naw
Might as well just use Vim then
Org-mode in Emacs is the best though. That is why i use Emacs with Evil.
Yo, so Evil on Emacs is just vim keybindings, right? What’s DOOM Emacs?
I do everything with cat, sed and awk.
Fuck your TUIs.
But how do you write your awk script?
cat > filename << ENDof course.chatgpt
NANO GANG RISE
for everything else, there’s sublime.
I tend to work on customer systems where I’m not allowed to install anything. I’ve yet to encounter one that doesn’t have
viinstalled, but I’ve seen a few withoutnano.vi is part of the POSIX standard, so it’ll be available in some form on almost anything UNIX-flavoured
Which is a great reason to at least familiarize yourself with it. It’s the lingua franca of text editors.
Unless you wanted to learn to use ed (which you don’t)
ed is sadly not installed by default on some modern distros. Even vi is often a symlink to vim in vi-mode.
Really? Not that I’d notice, but I assumed
edwas so tiny that there wouldn’t be any reason to not include it. (Ubuntu has it and it’s 59KB)Asking for
viand gettingvimis just a pleasant surprise :)
:q!
If you like Sublime, you’re gonna love Micro.
Anytime I open Vim I ask the same question.
“how the fuck do I use you?”
then go back to nano
repeat.
Have you tried micro? Nano but better.
Have you tried GUI text editors? They’re like the CLI ones, just from this millennium. We’re no longer etching runes into rocks any more either.
Sometimes it’s not so easy to fire up a GUI, like when you ssh into another machine.
Sometimes it’s not so easy to fire up a GUI, like when you ssh into another machine.
CLI text editors have their specific use cases. For all other cases GUI ones (Kate, VSCode,…) exist.
CLI text editors have their specific use cases.
Couldn’t agree more. My use cases tend to be:
- text editor
- note taking
- IDE
- config editor
- log viewer
- adhoc data prep
- json viewer
EMACS users sometimes add web browser and email client, among other things but, that’s a bit further than I go. The perf for either of the main two blows nearly any GUI editor out of the water and being able to pipe stdout/stderr to them is just the wonderful cherry on top.
Hopefully tongue-in-cheek.
Because sure. Microsoft Word is the best IDE.I personally prefer running wordpad with WINE, as I can’t afford an office subscription.
Hopefully tongue-in-cheek.
No.
Because sure. Microsoft Word is the best IDE.
Learn the difference between a word processor and a text editor.
Guess you’re not up on your memes. Frightfully sorry for responding to what I assumed was a meme answer with a meme answer.
I refuse to use any GUI until people stop pronouncing it as gooey.
Well now I’m going to pronounce it gooey even harder!
“Graphical UI” it is
Acceptable.
That’s “graphical oowey”, right? /s
I generally just say the letters; the amount of shit I get for saying gee en you…is not actually that much because I usually don’t interact with coding nerds via voice, only text, but if I did they would be livid
Edit: For some reason I try to pronounce Xfce as a word instead of an initialism though, ‘ecks-fiss’. Maybe I’m just broken.
X forwarding is too much work
Accurate. The keyboard shortcuts just make sense and it’s full of features from this millennia. Like control click for multi cursor, automatic syntax highlighting, and automatic lint indicators.
Also; Don’t use vim.
Yeah, neovim is better
😂
i haven’t tried it but I’m sick of ubuntu being years behind on vim versions, what’s good about neovim?
what’s good about neovim?
- NeoVim supports plugins written in modern languages without a Vim script shim. Vim script is utterly awful, and the sooner we can all pretend it never happened, the better the world will be.
- NeoVim can be configured and extended with
luaa language that many people actually like to use. - NeoVim is built client/server style, like VSCodium, so it can do the same remote/local mix and match tricks. Notably, VSCodium works nicely as a front end for editing files with NeoVim.
- NeoVim is somehow actually faster. vim was no slouch, but a full rewrite seems to have added some…ahem…vim.
Still don’t like it.
Repeat as necessary.
qa Ienjoy<ESC>q 200@a
Why would I subject myself to unnecessary suffering?
One must imagine you happy
Genuinely took most of my notes in college on vim, when you get good it’s just faster.
I’m sure someone already made a graph plotting the hours wasted learning vs the seconds gained not moving your mouse.
Nice.
I’ve been using Vim daily for about 20 years, it saves me 30 minutes at a time regularly.
I’m approaching break-even on the learning curve!
I’m kidding…mostly.
This. If it was your sole tool for daily tasks it makes sense, once a month to edit a config file…not so much.
When I started working we had HP Unix Silicon Graphics systems, VI was our only text editor…so I have some commands as muscle memory. The rest of commands I open my tractor feed help printout from 30 years ago
The only Dad advice you nerds need:
mcedit from the Midnight Commander (mc) tool is the superior text editor.
I don’t even run arch, btw.
I’m a simple man. I see midnight commander, I think ‘dang, I need to use it more, stop calling me out’
I remember when the GNOME file manager was this kind of interesting hybrid that used MC for the backend. The one thing I liked about it was that it could be docked in Window Maker. Yep I was using a Dock in GNOME waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before most GNOME users.
Nowadays it’s still possible to replicate my old Window Maker desktop in XFCE.
Ok, let’s try that
FIrst
Ok, that is already more storage space than openwrt needs to run a full linux distro
root@proxmox:~# mc mytestfile.txtEsscuse me, the fuck is this !?
You’re looking at the full mc package rather than just mcedit. Even then, Midnight Commander is absolutely worth that whopping 7.9MB of space it takes for all the functionality it provides.
Openwrt is not an example to use to compate against a package size, as it’s target built to fit into small firmware storage spaces on all sorts of random hardware. That’s comparing existential philosophy with oranges.
Would you download a car?
You bet I would down load a car ,!! I’m going to down a car right now !!
I’ve no choice coz I haven’t been able to quit for last 7 years.
If you don’t like Vim, you should stop being a milk-drinking sweetroll-eating WUSS
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I’ll always upvote well-placed Elder Scrolls trash talk, n’wah. Now gimme back my sweet roll, fetcher!
…Also yeah I should attempt to learn Vim again lol.
