I could buy a steam deck and a shitload of games on sale for that
That’s what I did when my PC died and I’d do it again given the choice
The last straw with consoles for me was when they all started charging money regularly just to play online multiplayer games.
My Steam Deck makes for a better console-like experience than any of the major consoles, and more. I have zero interest in going back to Sony or especially Nintendo’s scams.
It blows my mind that the greatest trick Valve ever pulled was releasing a console that relies solely on backwards compatibility. There are zero games released for the steam deck.
To be fair, there was 1 game released directly for the Steam Deck; Aperture Desk Job.
Not only that, the Steam Deck actually has worse compatibility compared to a normal Windows PC, but the PC library is so extensive (and has so many emulators) that it doesn’t matter. You still have access to more games than anyone on a normal console ever could, and you can play most singleplayer console games for free. I played Mario Odyssey all the way through on my PC and it ran great.
And even better: people not valve will actually go and work to make the games that aren’t compatible working. For free.
It’s not quite strictly worse; some older games are easier to run in wine than natively. But your point still stands.
I really wish they would release a new Steam Controller with the Deck’s inputs.
Same, tired of replacing the bumpers on my Xbox controllers, and want the extensibility I’ve seen with the decks controller layout.
I don’t, to be perfectly honest the builtin controls are the only part I don’t like. Too heavy, too bulky, terrible dpad, and for me it’s so uncomfortable to use the LR bumpers that I almost always remap them to the back paddles.
I’d happily pay for Steam because it provides a good service. Meanwhile, PSN and Nintendo Switch Online suck and are expensive (PSN is 70€ per year lmao).
Nah I’m not paying for steam either, they make enough money from game sales without double dipping
I don’t even play online. I’m just there for the monthly games.
They could have given us full backwards compatibility for that.
It would be an instant buy for me if it has full backwards compatibility, and I’d let them tack on another hundo for psp/vita games. That’s basically what my Steam deck is. Every console emulated and PC games.
I love how Sony learned nothing from the PS3 launch price.
The launch PS3 was arguably Sony’s last great console (namely hardware backwards compatibility); I choose to die on this hill. 🫡
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The primary reason was that sony wanted to take advantage of lower import taxes in the EU by classifying it as a general-purpose computer. Thats why they also abandoned OtherOS after the EU ruled that the PS3 was not a computer but a game console.
Yup, that was something Sony was already doing back with the PS2, you could have Linux for PS2
They don’t have it for the same reason Sony later removed it from the PS3: letting users run arbitrary code on your console provides a massive attack surface for piracy and jailbreaking exploits.
This bad boy can run so many PS2 games
Runs 0 for most buyers.
And XMB was their last good interface design. Each one since just gets progressively more wtf.
Hard to improve on perfection, but they had to keep their UI designers employed I suppose?
The PS3, be it the early PHATs or even the super slims were technically amazing machines but, at least in the beginning, they still were way to expensive for the reduced quality in most cross party titles compared to the 360. Was probably a no-brainer upgrade though, if you could sell your PS2 to replace it with a brand spanking new PS3 without losing access to your games.
Also, the amazing first party titles Sony put out over the years (that actually took advantage of the PS3’s over-designed processor) make it worth buying even today, as you can get it for less than 50€ in good condition and it’s easily jailbreakable.
Just maybe don’t sell your first born for one that is backward compatible with PS2 today. Just buy a used PS2 as well (most of them are jailbreakable just as easily) or just emulate it.
No doubt, the 360 had the PS3’s number earlier on - due in no small part to the lack of documentation for the Cell architecture making it much harder to program for, let alone optimise.
SCE America I think was credited with the mid-cycle turnaround thanks to a lot of Western-developed exclusives (Naughty Dog were a real MVP), which is why the PlayStation identity seems to have largely switched from Japanese to American from the launch of the PS4.
I’m a bit of a tech hoarder, and still own my original PSP, PS1, PS2 and PS3s… so luckily my first-born is at no risk just yet. 😅
Miss using it as a SACD player. Tough to find one now that isn’t insanely priced.
I can confirm, PS2 emulation works mostly flawless on my CFW PS3 without native backwards compatibility. There is absolutely no point in buying an older energy-hungry hot-running PS3.
It’s not about whether or not it’s possible via emulation on CFW, but rather the precedent that hardware-level backwards compatibility was a key feature.
It’s a damned shame that such official support was dropped moving forward, and IMO should have been taken as an early sign that gaming as a hobby was going to go downhill.
At the time, backwards compatibility was attained by putting a miniature PlayStation 2 inside the console. It really wasn’t sustainable for the future.
It really wasn’t sustainable for
the futuremaximising shareholder profits.Maintaining PS3 backwards compatibility at launch was well within Sony’s operating profits. It was an international decision, which they proceeded to gaslight customers into believing want necessary or even wanted!
Speak for yourself, man. I am more than happy that my Playstation 5 doesn’t have a Playstation 3 and a Playstation 2 bolted into its insides. That would make for a gargantuan console with tons of electronics waste.
I specified one generation of hardware backwards compatibility; beyond that software emulation would be more than sufficient.
The PS5 is backwards compatible with all but ~6 PS4 titles. Sure that’s entirely because of the shared x86-64 architecture, but it makes the PS4 stand out like a sore thumb for its lack of direct generational backwards compatibility.
By the end of the PS3’s lifecycle the Cell processor has been die-shrunk multiple times, reducing power consumption, heat output and PCB space required. It could then share the rest of the PS4s existing IO chips and circuitry.
There was literally no reason for backwards compatibility to be removed beyond corporate greed. Blindly accepting it, and actually trying to justify that as a good thing is one of the key reasons this hobby has gone down the toilet.
FOVE HUNDRED NINETY NINE US DOLLARS
You didn’t need a subscription to play games online.
Personally I decided about 6 years ago that I wouldn’t buy another non-portable game console.
At this stage I just don’t see any reason to drop $600+ on a console when I could put that $600~ towards upgrading my PC and get vastly more value for my money.
So as far as I’m concerned, the only consoles worth looking at at all right now at the Nintendo Switch, which I have and love, and the Steam Deck, which would offer me my PC gaming experience with something it lacks: portability.
Aside from that, I personally couldn’t give 2 shits what’s happening in the world of XBox or Playstation these days.
My Steam Deck has been my primary gaming device for about 2 years now. I absolutely love it. I’ve put a lot of my switch games on it for the convenience. I love my OLED switch though and I wish I had the OLED deck.
Still, it’s amazing enough that everything else I have is collecting dust. Been going through all the MegaMan games recently. I’m on 8 at the moment, the only one I never played in the main series.
I love MM8. Definitely feels a bit like the black sheep of the bunch but I think it’s awesome. Plays a little slow compared to some of the others to me, but I like a lot of the ideas there
Oh me too, I’m absolutely loving it. They put so much work into it. Even the things I didn’t initially like about it have grown on me. It’s been nothing but fun for me.
Plus us patient gamers can enjoy those PS “exclusives” when they release on PC.
Yeah exactly. Crazy thing is a good game is just as good 3, 4 years later as it is on release day. What a novel idea, right?
There was a time where the fact that launch meant a high player count, big community energy, and lack of hyper-optimized strategies minmaxxing the fun out of a game was sufficient reason to get it at launch.
But given how often modern launches are bungled, even that is not always true
Yeah I should have clarified that for multiplayer games, especially lobby-style instead of persistent-world style, all of this changes because how active and engaged the playerbase is a HUGE component.
But I’m a solo player 90% of the time, so that particular aspect, while important, doesn’t really pertain to me.
Even big singleplayer games can be fun. I liked being involved in the early days of BG3’s release, for example. But then again, no mans sky and cyberpunk sucked
Why would you need 3 switches when you could get a 1.5km line of loafs of bread with that money?
Do you get cheaper bread meters going for the cheaper mass produced loaves or by going for the longer length but more artisan breads like baguettes? Or maybe bread sticks?
Also, does anyone make linked bread (like sausages), to increase the speed one can deploy it in a straight line?
Im pretty sure the extra lenght of baguettes is not enough to justify paying the extra price for them
To solve the time problem of placing all the bread in a line, you could try to start a cult. It takes a while to set up, but will save you time(and money) in the long run
A new bread worshipping cult to give an alternative food-based religion for those who are sick of spaghetti.
No love for celiacs in the food cult space yet.
Found the eastern European! /s
I am not eastern European, i am southeastern European
Honestly, Sony really sees itself as a premium(ish) brand that puts a heavy emphasis on novelty with a bit of sophistication thrown in. They also see Nintendo as a kid’s toy company. So, the expense (and some of the scarcity) is entirely the point.
Did a quick one to mimic my current “console killer” pc that sits in my living room, runs Bazzite 6700 XT
This is new stuff, one of the benefits of PC gaming is that you can roll builds. So if you had a gaming pc in the last 5 years you’re looking at a £450 upgrade, not a £700 one if you’re a PS5 player. Or even hitting up used for things like cases etc
Using a bench of Horizon Zero Dawn for the GPU
2k bench taken from techspot
so doing what the PS5 pro will be and using an upscaller like FSR/DLSS to hit 4k
4K is in the 50s, but again scalers used brings it to 60.
Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 5 4600G 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor £87.70 @ NeoComputers Motherboard Biostar B450MHP Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard £50.99 @ Ebuyer Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16 Memory £16.48 @ Amazon UK Storage Western Digital Blue SA510 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £99.98 @ Amazon UK Video Card ASRock Radeon RX6700XT PGD 12GO Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card £449.99 @ Amazon UK Case Thermaltake S100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case £34.99 @ Scan.co.uk Power Supply MSI MAG A550BN 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply £42.99 @ Amazon UK Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total £783.12 Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-12 08:02 BST+0100 I have played GOW as well as a ton of other games this year at a resolution of 2K 144fps HDR on my machine without any issues or stutters. Also don’t have to wait for a republish that I have to rebuy to enjoy older games at 4k 140hz currently playing AC4 and it looks amazing.
Please don’t overpay for a 6700xt, get a 7800xt if you want to spend 450
Good advice, my personal build was done a while ago
I’ve seen it mentioned that ryzen is more memory speed sensitive, seen Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 3600 MHz CL16 kit for £35 on UK amazon, see a 32 GB kit for £60 for 3600, £52 for 3200. 32 is super overkill for most people still (shit I recall when 16GB was considered overkill), but it’s cheap enough that it’s harder to say it’s a waste imo.
Side note, GOW is what sold me on hdr and was the game that got me to upgrade from a 780ti and 3rd gen i5, literally couldn’t even run the game.
Genuine question, could you make a PC that can perform as well as the PS5 Pro for $700?
I’ve built many computers for work over the years, but never my own gaming PC. I’m starting to plan one and I have no idea what I do and do not need, performance-wise. Like, I know I don’t need a 4090, but how cheap is too cheap to get good performance?
I think someone just did it in this thread, but something else to consider is that a PC usually enables you to buy games much more cheaply, multiplayer is not behind a subscription, the catalogue is basically infinite and it also enables so many other activities than just gaming.
Its about price to performance value. With same value you can build an equivalent PC. Which won’t be banned and turned into a brick on their own whim. Many users very unjustly banned and were not able to connect to internet and game online. For the same price you could do more to with PC. Pros out weighs the cons
I want to see this equivalent PC. (A BOM would do.) Because I highly doubt someone can source the parts for this cheap.
Yep, a proper GPU would cost more than PS5. A second-hand market can come to rescue, but let’s not pretend that these two groups (console users and pc builders) overlap in a significant way. People buy consoles because they are cheap and easy to use.
If you’re willing to buy at least some PC parts used (like the GPU and maybe CPU) you could probably build a very competitive machine for the same price. Maybe even something better. With new parts probably not yet, necessarily. But of course, that depends a little on your local market. Here in Germany for example, a new RX 6800 (the equivalent GPU, according to IGN) alone would be roughly ⅔ of a PS5 Pro, while a used one is a little less than half the price. You probably need to wait a generation or so for new PC parts to be price competitive (as you do with almost every new console release).
However, if you already have an existing PC that you could upgrade (For example you have an earlier generation Ryzen processor and could upgrade to Ryzen 5000 with just a BIOS update and you could sell your current CPU and GPU to get some of your money back when buying something more powerful), you could likely easily beat it. That’s the actual power of having a PC. You can stretch $700/800€ quite far, if you don’t have to buy a new case, RAM, PSU, storage and/or motherboard.
The proper metric to plan around is longevity, unless you absolutely need performance now.
Performance and cost should be divided by time. Do you think that bit of hardware will be able to support software for the next two years, or five? That is one way to “compute” value, anyway.
A 4090 will eventually be outdated and unable to run new software, but that may not happen for a good number of years. If you want to get super deep, start crunching the numbers on power costs too. It may simply become too inefficient to run, eventually. (Hell, it’s probably super inefficient now, actually.)
I almost always buy top-tier “last-gen” tech, right after “new-gen” is released when I am saving money. When I have the extra cash and it makes sense, top-tier may also be a good investment.
Be honest with yourself and determine what matters most to you and put your money there.
It also depends on what games you play, I never play any big AAA action games with amazing graphics so I don’t need a crazy gpu
I built a PC with similar specs than a PS5 in the smallest case I could find. The size is similar to a modern console. I payed 1800€, had to make some custom parts and I still saved the money for an OS by installing Nobara Linux.
If you ask me: Nobody can build a PC, similar to a PS5 or XBOX Series, for a competitive price.
Still, I won’t change my PC for any console.
Consoles are actually not priced to make a profit, they sell at a loss. They do this because they have a premium on games, and games exclusive to them. On top of this they charge for a variety of services, things that are free for similar games on PC.
PCs’ cost is up front. The cost of a console continues fore the life time of that console. If you have a PS5 for the average cycle to produce a newer version, you will have paid 800 dollars just for the ability to play their games online. That makes it $1500 dollars at this point. This isn’t even including all the other little costs, and average of higher prices for games, the premium price on their devices/accessories, or the cost of the TV, etc.
On top of this you can’t also use your PS5 to work, like you can with a PC, or anything, really, other than gaming, and a select number of things, that you will be able to do with the things you need to have for the console, like a TV.
Thanks! I’m aware of all of that. I don’t need to be convinced that a PC is worth it, I’m just out of my comfort zone.
I was asking because the title was “I could make a great PC for that” and, like I said, I’m planning on building a PC. My usual instinct of “just get the more powerful one” will quickly lead me to financial ruin in the PC world. 😅
I mean, I have a PC that is roughly the same specs, while still being in the general price ballpark. I waited for specials, took advantage of vendor specific price reductions (such as company specific credit card discounts when I had the money to pay outright), bought a couple things second hand, bought two things that were ope box (returned but nothing wrong), and I already had a decent monitor. This, as you probably can tell, was a pain in the ass, but I have a PC that is a little more powerful, with a lot more storage, for just shy of 900 USD, after taxes. So not bad. However I don’t expect normal people to go through that, I kinda enjoy the process.
But the only way to really compare the two is in a holistic manner. Without including the costs of using the console, through its life, it just isn’t a fair comparison.
But the only way to really compare the two is in a holistic manner. Without including the costs of using the console, through its life, it just isn’t a fair comparison.
I totally agree. Part of the reason I’ve not made the leap yet is that gaming has become less and less important of a part of my life, and that initial cost has been enough to dissuade me generally speaking. Also if I’m being honest I really like the “plop down on the couch and use a controller” console experience. But I’m realizing more and more that I just need to bite the bullet and I’ll appreciate it in the long run.
I don’t know what your living space is like, but I have an HDMI cable running from my PC to my TV, and some wireless controllers, for when I feel like sinking into my recliner and just playing.
The real trick is to find a friend that’s a PC gamer and casually mention that you’re considering building a PC. It is out of your hands at that point. The call will go out and spread like the fires of Gondor to everyone they know on Discord. Slowly but surely, used parts will begin to trickle in from others who have recently upgraded their PCs and have pieces they no longer need. A case here. Some old RAM there. A 3-4 year old GPU. Peripherals.
Like hermit crabs changing shells, their old equipment will be passed down to you; the newest convert. Eventually you will have nearly all the pieces needed for a good mid-range gaming PC, to the point where you might as well just get the last few parts to finish it. And then your journey will be complete.
As the years go by and you slowly upgrade your PC like a modern day Ship of Thebes, make sure to save all your old equipment. For there will come a time when you will hear those fateful words, “Hey, my friend is thinking about building a computer…” And the cycle shall begin anew.
Why build a PC when you can buy a laptop/steamdeck for way less than 700$ instead?
Steam deck is dope but it’s lower than PS4 quality visuals with faster loading times, not really comparable.
I’ve done laptops, they’re fine but you can’t really upgrade them. So they end up costing more in the long run. Also I don’t think I’ve ever spent less than $1000 on a laptop, if I’m being honest.
I like the Steam Deck, and may very well get one at some point, but it’s not what I’m after right now. A major reason I want the new PC is for Microsoft Flight Simulator. I currently play it on the Xbox Series X, and enjoy it very much, but the Xbox doesn’t have support for some of the mods I would like to use that require additional software. Also the XSX runs out of RAM for some of the avionics on newer large planes, which makes flying them nearly impossible. Some of this will be fixed with the optimization efforts in MSFS2024, but not the mod side.
I don’t really feel like trying to get MSFS and my flight stick and pedals running on the Steam Deck. I’m sure it’s doable, but the performance wouldn’t be what I want anyway.
… can you actually make a PC with comparable performance these days? What does a console-level GPU cost these days?
If you game online that’ll also be an extra $400+ over the life span of console. So the real question is can you build a PC for $1100+
Also the controllers break constantly and Sony just raised the price on those.
I checked Amazon a 3060 runs for under $300. A 3060 crushes any console:X
All on its own?
** Insert guy with stick do something meme **
Right. You’re not building a PS5 Pro level PC with keyboard and mouse for under $699. Maybe next year.
For only 100$ more
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MjNRZJ
There’s no case on this list, you have a lot of ways to get a free case including the classic “Cardboard Special”. There’s no keyboard and mouse, you can get those at the thrift store for like 1$ (They’re always at the thrift store, even found an RGB Mech Keyboard for like 5$ once lmao)
You could def get this under 700 with some diligence and price watching, I slapped this together in like 5 minutes.
Adding a high quality cooling case, keyboard, and mouse would be comparable. You get a controller with a PS5.
There’s no case on this list, you have a lot of ways to get a free case including the classic “Cardboard Special”.
There’s no keyboard and mouse, you can get those at the thrift store for like 1$ (They’re always at the thrift store, even found an RGB Mech Keyboard for like 5$ once lmao)
Also, like I said, I could def foresee getting my list as-is down to 600 with the right optimizations and sale tracking, right off the bat I can tell you I opted for a 700w PSU when a 400 is really all that would be needed according to the wattage estimate. With a PC you can also buy it piece by piece if needed.
Then you would have 100 to spare for a good case or split between a case and keyboard/mouse if you really want a new KB/Mouse
50 series Nvidia is due for an announcement soon with AMDs offerings prob shortly after so all those nice 30 series are going to go on some good discounts
And this is all new ofc, you could save even more buying used or swapping to the AM4 platform
Here is a list of parts that will outperform the PS5 pro for 100 bucks less, that 100 bucks is enough to buy a great quality keyboard and mouse, or a PS5 controller if you prefer playing with a controller
Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor $114.67 @ Amazon Motherboard ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $59.99 @ Amazon Memory G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $29.99 @ Newegg Storage TEAMGROUP MS30 1 TB M.2-2280 SATA Solid State Drive $46.99 @ Amazon Video Card MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12G GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB Video Card $260.00 @ Newegg Case Thermaltake V100 Perforated ATX Mid Tower Case $47.99 @ Best Buy Power Supply EVGA 500 W1 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply $47.99 @ Amazon Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total (before mail-in rebates) $627.62 Mail-in rebates -$20.00 Total $607.62 Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-12 00:17 EDT-0400 Will the 3060 actually outperform a PS5 Pro though? Spec wise its GPU is closer to a RX 6800, which is roughly 30% faster than a 3060 and also a little bit more expensive. And, especially in CPU limited titles, a Ryzen 7 would also be closer to the PS5 (Pro). Add a TB more storage (to be equivalent in this regard as well) and you’re having a much harder time of matching the price (with new parts at least).
Until people actually get their hands on a PS5 pro and publish comparative benchmarks, though, this will stay speculation only. And that’s not to say, that this PC isn’t a good value gaming rig, just that it might not be enough to compete with a brand new console that probably has razor thin margins, if it’s not even sold at a loss in the beginning.
The list I sent actually already includes a 1TB SSD, so it is equivalent to the PS5 pro in that regardAccording to every source I’ve seen, the PS5 Pro will come with 2TB as standard, not 1TB.
The bigger question is, how many games will actually be programmed to allow for 1440p with a higher refresh rate than 60? Because right now, the answer is “not many”
For a computer, the answer is “almost all of them”
Power is useless if limited by shitty game settings.
More than 60fps doesn’t matter for a lot of people though. A lot of console gamers play on TV and only high end TVs have higher refresh rates anyways, so those people would prefer higher resolution and nicer graphics settings to more fps.
I’m a PC gamer and even I don’t own a single high refresh rate display, for example, because I usually play slower paced story based games. While I enjoy 120+ Hz, my priorities lie with UHD and HDR, as long as I get close to 60fps. And most PS5 games already support performance modes with 60-ish fps on the base model console albeit without all the possible eye candy.
The previous comment about the PC being more versatile and upgradeable was right, though.
My current gaming rig is the PC of Theseus. The replaced parts trickle down through other PCs in the house, giving everyone an upgrade when the beefiest box gets a new component every year or two.
I’ve given so many pcs away to family because I upgrade one part then scavenge the rest of parts from the ewaste bin at work
Well, what if you took that $596.83 (adjusted for inflation) for a PS5 in 2020 and built a PC back then instead? Now you could have 700$ to upgrade whatever you wanted inside it.
It was probably way more than ~$600 if you wanted to buy a PS5 back then, due to supply issues.
If you built a PC instead of buying a PS4/pro you could at least reuse the case, screen, mouse, & keyboard. Maybe even the power supply.
Full agree, and definitely power supply… a nice PSU lasts forever. I bought a plat 1000w PSU and gave my partner my 5yo Gold 650w and it still powers perfectly. I’ll have this PAU for a decade or more hahaha
Do you need a new keyboard and mouse though? Even laptop users usually already have a mouse, and keyboards tend to have good longevity - mine is over 10 years old.
It’s out of stock now, but I did see a 4070 for 299 a few days ago. I should have bought it, but if I did, I would not have been able to pay some bills.
Absolutely
No, before the insane jump in GPU prices you could get in the ballpark, not anymore.
It’s hard to properly compare these two, because they are very different design philosophies. It’s like trying to compare a single blade knife to a multi-tool.
28 Blåhajar + a Mini one.
Honestly don’t know what they thought was going to happen. They’ve had some misfires lately with the PS5 Pro not being needed at all (the PS5 is a decent bit of kit, and certainly capable of handling everything this gen can throw at it), selling a remote access tablet/controller that doesn’t connect to their own cloud service, and even they’ve stopped talking about Concord.
You can buy 4 used switches, chip them, and buy accessories for them with 700$ available
Buy 4 switches Cluster them into a super computer Emulate Ps5 … Profit!
You can actually lan 16 switches together for Mario kart.
Isn’t the Switch $300? 🤔
I should have clarified lite but for formatting of the meme it’s better to just put Switch.
They’re usually on woot for under 300
At $80/year for the online. You’d still be saving $40/year compared to 2 switch subscriptions. You’d save enough in 5 years to buy the 3rd and still be saving $20/year on subscriptions.
What if I’m not interested in playing online? Does the new console just require a subscription or something? I didn’t actually watch the announcement because I don’t need a hardware upgrade. I need more games that use what I already fuckin’ have.
Funnily enough, the Switch works perfectly fine without any subscription If all you want is plop your games and play without Multiplayer, you can go with a Switch just fine Even some games like Ninjala let’s you play online without the subscription
Free to Play games do not need the subscription to play online. This is true for the PlayStation too.
Wasnt aware it worked for PlayStation too
No, none of the consoles require a subscription. You add it on if you want the extras and multiplayer.
