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      I used to put these on broken equipment, intensely fucking annoying job, had my boss cut one off, plug back in the unit, call me into his office to chew me out for DARING to lock out tag out a working unit, and then the fire alarm goes off. Guess what started the fire? I couldn’t quit fast enough.

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        isnt the LOTO procedure to ask the person listed on the tag whats wrong with it before actually trying to use it. Boss ego crazy to completely just ignore the tag without understanding why it was on there in the first place.

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          At my place of work, we have a switch that has been locked out for over a decade. The dude doesn’t even work there anymore. Perhaps isn’t alive. It isn’t critical, but our LOTO trainings don’t cover that possibility.

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            That’s actually exactly how it should work. The switch isn’t necessary, or someone would have called in an expert to fix it, so it hasn’t been fixed and remains locked.

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                Then you need an expert on the equipment. If the person who tagged it out didn’t document why, and isn’t available to answer questions, then someone needs to do a full diagnostic and maintenance on whatever it is. Really, asking the person who failed to document the reason shouldn’t even be considered an option. Memories are unreliable. Anyone with the authority to lock out equipment should be trained on the procedure.

                The original person who locked the switch fucked up, but that sort of fuckup is precisely why LOTO procedures exist. Safety regs are written in blood. 500 years ago, some well-meaning technician found some equipment that was broken and put it aside to fix later. One of their colleagues found the equipment, not realizing it was broken, tried to use it and immediately died a gruesome death.

                Safety is diametric to convenience. Somebody cuts a corner somewhere, and the safest thing to do is overreact.

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                  Gotcha, i have plenty of training in LOTO. Was merely commenting about something being locked out, and then the operator having moved on while leaving it locked out. I found it amusing.

                  The switch is actually operable, just locked out bc we no longer use the gas heaters they control.

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          Oh yeah. If he wasn’t the guy with the hiring and firing job he would have been walked off that day. He’s easily the worst boss I ever had. Started planning my escape after that. The company had a real problem with sunk cost fallacy. ‘‘Well we invested so much in him’’ was the adittude.

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        Oh yeah, the other side is just the info on who put the tag in, and identifying the equipment so people don’t rotate the same tags to other equipment.

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    Pretty sure that’s an Australian LOTO tag made by AAA printing. Which means it definitely says “removed”. Only thing that’s surprising about this on an Aussie mine site is that the word used doesn’t start with “cu…”

    For additional evidence look at previous L and Cs written on the tag. Def Cs.

    My guess is that someone either went to repair it and couldn’t find the issue so this additional helpful tag was added. Or similarly maybe a muppet thought it was still ok to use and again, this helpful tag was added for reinforcement.

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      nah, my bet is that’s a machine that’s like visibly exploded to pieces. some manager walked by and reprimanded them for not tagging the broken gear. writer of tag argued back that “it’s obviously fucked, i mean look at it. have a think about it for a second”. manager said it doesn’t matter, protocol. tag writer writes sarcastic tag.

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        I’m imagining obvious fire damage and a chalk outline of intern Redshirt in front of the machine…

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          you know, i bet it’s literally missing its primary control surface. like a tractor with the entire cab missing and some higher up was concerned someone would try to use it and hurt themselves.

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            Genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if someone did try to use it, but also don’t see why anyone would think a little red tag would prevent such a person from trying anyway.

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              The red tag isn’t to stop it, it’s to document the stupidity. Now when it goes to court/WCB, there’s documented proof that they tried to ensure even a moron would understand it’s not safe to use

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                yeah, it’s likely for insurance or regulatory reasons.

                insurance will find any reason possible to deny your claim. even if that is a failure to remove the keys from the ignition after the car burst into flames.

                regulators shouldn’t allow slack. with any company in a regulatory situation they will to exactly as much as they’re allowed to get away with. give them an inch, they take a Mile. letting hazard tags slide based on judgement creates space for corruption and abuse. following procedures to the letter with strict documentation can help curtail that.

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        I like your take way better than mine, I think that’s exactly what happened! Still reckon it’s an Aussie ;)

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          haha, no doubt. i may not be Australian, but i have written similar snarky reports before lol. after a certain point you’re choosing between 5 hours of overtime to write a report, or writing something like “event was fucked, station did not coordinate, check initial documents”

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      Only thing that’s surprising about this on an Aussie mine site is that the word used doesn’t start with “cu…”

      removed.

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      As an Aussie, I can confirm that this looks like a tag an Aussie would write.

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    Transcript:

    DANGER
    DO NOT OPERATE
    THIS EQUIPMENT, SWITCH, VALVE, MACHINERY,
    REASON Fucked.
    Open your eyes, have a think about it
    look

    SEE ALSO OTHER SIDE

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    I once had to leave a line filled with glycol overnight, for a hydro test the next morning. I wired the drain valve shut, then shaped the extra ‘wire’ (it was a welding rod) into the word ‘No’.

    Safety was mildly annoyed, but nobody touched it

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      That it damn well is. Those rules are written in blood. I’m sad to say I knew people that didn’t follow the rules at place that didn’t care. May they rest in peace.