Former President Donald Trump urged members of a crowd in Florida to vote and said that if he wins, they “won’t have to vote anymore.”
Speaking at a Turning Point Action event in West Palm Beach on Friday, Trump, who tried to overturn the 2020 election he lost, delivered a cryptic message.
“And again, Christians, get out and vote!” he said to a cheering audience. “Just this time. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years. You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine! You won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians. I love you, Christians! I’m a Christian. I love you. Get out. You gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again.”
What the fuck is supposed to be cryptic about this? He’s making it perfectly clear that he wants to overthrow democracy in the US. And everybody who votes for him is OK with that.
People asked the question before. It went something like:
“You do realize that he’ll be a dictator, right?”
" We don’t care. He’ll be our dictator and that’s all that matters."
And then they’ll say they do it for freedom and democracy.
Or the more common answer:
“He misspoke and the media is taking out of context.”
Even though he has said it thirty different ways and this just happens to line up with the narrative.
And he kept a running mate who keeps saying it.
Both groups exist and both ignore that the other exists. Just like every “anti-woke” comment is made. Half of them say it’s about some made up nuanced take, while the other half say “no it’s really just racism/sexism/homophobia”. Which pretty much sums up what Hillary said back in 2016.
There’s another angle to the dictator thing-
A lot of people essentially think the president already is a dictator. That’s why even people on the left say things like, “why doesn’t Biden raise the minimum wage?!” when that requires an act of congress.
We need to bring back Schoolhouse Rock.
Considering how little help the English songs have been, I doubt that they were paying attention to I’m Just a Bill either.
It’s really not hard. The GOP wants as close to laissez-faire capitalism as they can get. This is not a popular position. To enact it anyway they need to go through deeply convoluted steps to retain support despite their primary demographic of religious voters being in steady decline. This pushes all the more sane types into the dem coalition, where we have to deal with progressive vs more modern neo-lib battles over the course of the nation, exacerbated by progressives in the base often refusing to recognize the moderates have a slim majority in overall population.
I’m not so good at the music side, so someone else can handle that part.
Hmmm, could either go with four or five standard pop chords, or a few different rock power chords and pull it off. Won’t be too hard.
Ohhhh
🎶 Weee 🎶 areee 🎶 FUCKED, we’re fucked 🎶
My favorite is “Why did Biden make shit so expensive!?” And all I can do is laugh, because my brain plays on a loop Biden sneaking around to all the stores swaping price tags and chuckling maniacally.
And then I get sad because these were people I once respected as “intelligent”…
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Where did you get any indication from what I said that I thought it was okay? I’m talking about why people aren’t more concerned about it like they should be.
So many people are so het up, they come sprinting in, gagging to fight someone.
They need to just deep breathe twice and think a little, please.
Trump’s always been banking on everybody giving him the benefit of the doubt, and they do, but he thinks it’s because he’s so very clever that he’s tricking his opponents with his thinly veiled veneer of plausible deniability. In actuality they just do it because he’s rich.
To be fair, if they are doing it because he is rich, then he is indeed tricking them. Even with all the reasons why he should be rich; owning a bunch of buildings, rarely paying anyone that does anything for him, being born rich… he actually still isn’t. He’s so bad with money that despite all that, he’s overall in the hole most of the time. Which is why he so vehemently defends any financial info coming out about him. It’s a point of pride to him that people think he is rich.
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Those fuckers should be deported to some authoritarian removed with Sharia law like Iran so they can appreciate what they’re throwing away because they’re terrified of “the gays”.
Same with the “migrants out” thing. If immigrants actually left, farmers and business would be desperate within days because all their hardest and/or cheapest workers just vanished and now there are no more truck drivers, no more field workers so crops left rotting on the field, no more waiters, … Prices of stuff would shoot up. UK tried this recently and that’s what happened.
“We want our dictator for… what are the good words again?”
“You mean freedom and democracy?”
“Yeah, whatever, for those!”
Many don’t think he can pull it off, which is the scary part that might let him do it.
“Oh, that’s all talk. He can say what he wants but can’t do shit without the House and Congress, and if he wanted to change things to get more terms? With states majority agreement that’s required? Not in his lifetime. You worry for nothing, PassingThrough, it’s all showmanship, as it always has been. And no, the Army wouldn’t help such an obvious fool overthrow the government either.”
It’s crazy.
“Oh, your drunk uncle Mike who has three arson convictions, thinks you turned the family against him, and is in your attached garage with gas and a lighter threatening to burn it down? Don’t worry about him, he’s harmless!”
Also anyone who doesn’t go vote because of edgelord reasons or laziness is guilty. If the US becomes Russia v2.0, we’ll all die in WW3 guaranteed.
Trump said it in a way that he could have meant that you won’t have to vote for him again. He kept saying “vote for me now and in 4 years you won’t have to vote again”. I’m sure if you made this criticism to Trump’s face he would act like you’re being unreasonable and pretend that of course he meant that he can only do 1 more 4 year term. Trump’s supporters would respond similarly. But that’s why it’s called a dog whistle, the message gets to the people he wants it to while it forces his detractors to debate what’s going on inside Trump’s head.
I’m guessing it’s cryptic because he can just say that he meant “for me” and not “in general.”
Your country is insane.
In any other democratic nation in the world, a politician saying this would be finished.
I hope for the sake of humanity that all the sane people in the US go out and tells everyone they know that cares about democracy and the rule of law what Trump is planning to do, especially in the swing states.
Our country is full of proudly ignorant bootlickers
Turns out all you need to do is make up some bullshit about “American dreams” and “bootstraps,” make them believe they too can (and probably already should!) be a billionaire, and the one thing stopping that are those goddamn Marxist Democrats and their “progressive taxation,” and “social safety nets for the blacks (please ignore the fact that I’m on disability, it’s different)”.
Republicans have been sabotaging our country’s own public education system for 25+ years at this point. Selling the future prosperity of our nation down the river for a voter-base with cult-like devotion, and a unique ability to ignore objective reality.
Unfortunately for the planet, it seems to have been wildly successful.
The next step is to do away with democracy altogether.
It’s been the Koch brothers and the John Birch Society’s dream (amongst others) to propagandize so many people of the “American Dream” and evils of anything other than capitalism. They were ecstatic when the Tea Party movement worked out for them, but they lost control of it with Trump. It’s a monster of their own making.
and evils of anything other than capitalism
*other than WHAT THEY CALL capitalism
They look at monopolies where the market leader buys laws, lobbies for protection and muscles competition out of the game unhindered and then they decry anybody calling it out as communists or socialists or the devil or whatever other bad word is en vogue that day.
You’re almost there, comrade…
It’s not just what they call it, this is capitalism working as intended. This is the end game. Always has been. It’s just now they have the tools to essentially brainwash millions using modern tech, and a wealth disparity that has been growing constantly for what, 100 years now?
That’s why it seems different this time; they learned from past attempts. Not only can you just make them not revolt (or shit, why not just Orwell it up and make it so they don’t even think they want to), you can direct that hate, anger and vitriol at your “enemies” to sow more chaos and division.
I don’t think any of the people responsible for planning and carrying out this decades-long coup could have predicted it would be this wildly successful.
It’s like Putin tossing a million bucks to a state sponsored hacker group (because meh why not, what could it hurt?), and ending up with a fucking Manchurian candidate and an army of loyal GOP politicians terrified enough of what might leak from those hacked emails that they are literally willing to destroy their own country from the inside. Unreal.
Oh, this system is definitely doing what it’s designed to do, but “capitalism” nominally is this fair competition among equal players where the market decides which ideas and products rise to the top based on merit and whatnot. This would, however, require a level playing field which goes out of the window the moment the strongest player on the market uses their power not to provide the best products and services, but instead uses their power to solidify their top position by legal or illegal means or in ways they make legal by lobbying, bribing and otherwise convincing the legislative. The moment the biggest corporations secure themselves the cooperation of the political parties for one-sided tax cuts, bailouts, deregulation of limits and massive regulation in favour of the corporations’ goals, that is the moment where we’ve left this impossible ideal of capitalism far behind.
But yes, the monopolies reigning from the corpse of the capitalist idea while telling you that capitalism is alive and well have worked hard to shape the status quo to what it is and they are definitely pretending that this abomination perfectly encapsulates the unreachable purity of the perfectly fair notion of “capitalism” every chance they get.
Kochs lost control of Trump to the JBS types. The Kochs are more Mitch McConnell type power brokers, all about the money and corporations. JBS is more MAGA, with the heavy undercurrent of conspiracy.
Exactly - I started noticing prideful ignorance in the early 2010s. People around me made bad choices and would not be corrected. Their ignorance was just as valid as someone else’s actual knowledge. That’s when, strengthened by their own baseless pride, their shame disappeared. I’m not saying shame is good, but when it’s the only thing keeping the deplorables in check, maybe a little of it helps.
It used to be that I’m general, horrible people realised they were horrible and at least went through the motions of being decent. They were like removedroaches scurrying for the shadows when you turned on the light. Now they’re like a cat peeing on your bed - they pause long enough to lock eyes with you, then continue peeing.
Speaking optimistically, at least now we know exactly who they are.
They were like removedroaches scurrying for the shadows when you turned on the light.
Oh, I actually used this comparison once when such people still generally did that. They were pissed. I didn’t directly address them BTW, they decided which side they’re on for themselves.
It’s wild that all it took was one sick, deranged, racist, liar (who hasn’t been able to string together a coherent sentence since the early 90s) to lead by example…
Turns out all you need to do is make up some bullshit about “American dreams” and “bootstraps,” make them believe they too can (and probably already should!) be a billionaire, and the one thing stopping that are those goddamn Marxist Democrats and their “progressive taxation,” and “social safety nets for the blacks (please ignore the fact that I’m on disability, it’s different)”.
Well, to generalize your statement a bit, I’ve had a conflict with people who thought that the only thing preventing them from living in socialist heaven were jerks like me talking about human rights, market economy, transparency, accountability, governments actually changing, putting thieves in jail and getting activists out of jail, legalization of various substances, any consensual sexual activity, privacy, freedom of speech, competitive judicial system, culture of protest, yadda-yadda once a few years …
They sincerely thought all this prevented life in my country from being good, while themselves being thieving ignorant intriguing insecure shits was normal. You know, the kind of people who contribute clearly negatively to the society, but think life is unjust to them, they should live better and somebody has stolen everything from them.
The GOP have been selling these people hope and magic since Reagan. It’s no longer about hard work for republicans, now all they have to do is destroy cities and kick out everyone they don’t like, and we will return to the magic that never existed in the 1950’s.
I hate to break it to you, but it’s not just our country.
It may be the most successful example of indoctrination of parts of the populace of a supposedly developed nation by the ruling class though.
It’s a smashing success for regulatory capture of the courts so that unlimited funds, foreign and domestic, can be legally spent on propaganda targeting fear-addicted racists.
This is lemmy, the goal is always to shit on America.
Probably because it’s one of the worst examples of many bad things. Source: am American. The only way you can avoid criticizing America as a thinking person is to focus on the ways it’s a little better than other countries. For example we mostly have clean drinking water while other countries don’t. But if you for a moment focus back on America itself it’s hard not to find things that just damned well ought to be better. Never be sick in America. Our healthcare is a pathetic piece of shit!
About the clean drinking water, the first world countries all have it though
I realize that. I should’ve said that some countries don’t have clean drinking water. For me it has been shocking when I’ve experienced that because I’m “spoiled” by safe water most places I’ve ever visited.
The thing is that for any single positive item many people thing of being exceptional for the US, the truth is that most other countries in the 1st world are on par or better. I mean I heard Americans wonder if Germans have access to running water, that was in 2023.
I’ve got no problem with reasonable criticism of America. In fact I have many of my own. My issue is that here, shitting on America is well received regardless almost completely regardless of how reasonable it is.
Hmm, I don’t see that. I can’t remember the last time I saw an undeserved criticism of America. But I would agree with you if I did see that
Nayib Bukele, a pretty blatant authoritarian, just won an election in El Salvador. And have you been paying attention to the rise in right wing authoritarians winning in Europe?
The idea that this is isolated to the us makes no sense.
At what point did I or anyone say right wing authoritarianism is exclusive to the US? …
Pointing out flaws instead of blindly shouting “murka numbuh wun!” is not a bad thing…
100% agreed. But that’s not what I’m talking about. People just mindlessly shit on America here all the time. Just because I recognize the unreasonable American hate does not mean I’m an unreasonable American supporter. Not every is simple and black and white how you would like it.
Is that how I would like it? I guess that is a thing I learned about myself today! Neat.
“I’m the normal one, everyone around me is crazy!!!”
Well, first, judging what’s right based on what’s popular is dumb on it’s own, but it’s even more dumb here because the up vote/down vote is current equal for my post, making it clearly not “everyone.”
Right, Russia is fucked too
In any other democratic nation in the world, a politician saying this would be finished.
Unfortunately not anymore, no. Bolsonaro (luckily voted out) and Orban and the Polish potato (also luckily voted out) have been spouting similar bullshit for 10+ years. Also, Erdoğan talks bullshit like that.
All of them a little less incoherent than the fat orange turd, but still, they say this kind of bullshit.
The craziest part is that, even with the absolute insanity this election has already been (and it will absolutely get worse), I’m seriously worried there’s going to be a worse turnout than 2020. 30% of voters are holding the country hostage, but another 30+% still can’t be bothered to get out and do the most basic thing they can do to fix it. It’s absurd. The nutjobs in the US are dragging the country to the gallows, but apathetic voters are tying the noose.
I’m seriously worried there’s going to be a worse turnout than 2020.
2020 had the highest voter turnout in any US election. Donald Trump got more votes in 2020 (more than 74 million) than any other Presidential candidate, winner or loser, in history… except for Joe Biden in 2020, who got 81 million.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election
I am aware (hence my point of 30%), and that was still abysmal. 60% turnout is not much of an achievement, and that only happened because of the pandemic (which is also still happening, though easier to ignore now). Existential threats to the country just aren’t going to motivate the chronically apathetic the same way, even if they are actually a bigger threat overall.
Don’t automatically assume the 30% who don’t bother voting are guaranteed to vote against Trump. Historically, it has been younger voters who don’t bother voting, and they do tend to be more liberal. But this time around, young voters are starting their adult lives in a world that is stacked against them, and they know it. They have felt the effects of post-pandemic inflation but have not had their pay raised to match. Those who were old enough to be adults pre-pandemic might very well conclude that they were better off personally when Trump was in office, and may be dismissing all the alarm at his re-election.
There have been several studies indicating that “disengaged” voters, if they show up, would break toward Republicans this time around. This article is from before Biden quit, but shows a clear preference for Trump among these voters:
I’m not assuming anything. I know Trump got a hefty share of the extra voters in 2020. That doesn’t change anything I said.
It’s especially weird because he’s a Republican. Traditionally they’re the party more sensitive to controversies like that, and older conservative folks I used to know would squirm if they saw the tapes or statements.
But honestly Trump just drowns everything out. Most people don’t, and never will, know the controversies because there are simply too many to keep up with.
Your country is insane.
You don’t say! I simply hadn’t noticed! What’s so crazy about people voting for someone with no experience whatsoever except for being a rich asshole which he proved every second breath? I mean that’s just normal!!
“I love you, christians. I am a christian!”
Who the fuck talks like that? And who the fuck votes for a guy that talks like that?
Hello my fellow human beings, I’m a human and love doing human activities.
These people who talk equally as phony.
Behold: a black person.
Too stupid to be satire, but also too stupid to not be satire. I am not sure with this one, chief.
If I recall correctly, he forgot to switch accounts before posting that one.
Quite a few of those on social media.
AND YET…
Poe’s law 2: conservative, satire, or bot
Hello, fellow kids!
Christians, apparently.
When you’ve already lost the capacity for critical thought…
Yes it’s like when I, too, enjoy human food like a real human
Who talks like that? A grifter. A guy who literally embodies all of the seven deadly sins, trying to convince his followers that “he’s a Christian.” That is just exploding with irony.
Trump using the language of a tyrant is not an accident. When people say that democracy is on the line this election, we’re not being hyperbolic, we’re saying that because of statements like this. Please get out there and vote this November.
Him saying it out loud is an accident. People with dementia often forget that they’re not supposed to say certain things out loud.
While that may be true, I also think it’s because he feels comfortable enough to say it out loud. These people and a fanatic third of the US are that far gone.
At this point we have found out that he can say or do anything and half the country will still support him. There is no convincing anymore for most of them.
We outnumber them we just need to get higher turnout and we win every time
When people say that democracy is on the line this election, we’re not being hyperbolic
The election system in the US has been under siege since the end of Jim Crow. The conservative response to the civil rights act has been to egalitarianize disenfranchisement.
We’ve had Republicans chipping away at the functional organs of democracy since Eisenhower’s Red Scare leveraged the Hoover FBI to infiltrate and eradicate self-sufficient communities and their unionized labor leadership back in the 50s.
Meanwhile, the Democrats’ leadership have never sat particularly well with the influx of minority voters following the Civil Rights Act. They’ve had to digest racist backlashes within their own party from the George Wallace Dixiecrat break away campaign under LBJ to the Hilary Clinton “birther” attacks launched at Obama during the '08 primary.
The end result is Republicans openly embracing fascism at the state and local level, while Democrats dissolve their own primary system in pursuit of a rigid corporate sponsored nomination process.
This isn’t something that’s going to be fixed in an election cycle. Trump losing won’t make Republicans less fascist. Kamala taking the nomination of the discarded carcass of an establishment insider like Biden won’t heal the divide in the Democratic Party. And it certainly won’t undo the fascist GOP takeovers in Texas, Florida, and Ohio.
We’re in for a rocky road ahead under either Presidency.
Perhaps making shady self-interested NGOs an integral part of our electoral system wasn’t such a good idea.
A.I. for President.
If our democracy is so fragile that it can be destroyed by voting for the wrong person, then we have to fix some shit.
It’s not just one person. There are years of hijacking that the republican party has done to the us system, like packing the supreme court. Those must be fixed as soon as possible.
Oh shaddup
Intriguing platform; tell me more.
oh yeah, so cryptic. gotta bust out my cryptography degree for this one. might need a couple quantum computers too. wow, the crypticity is at an all-time high. its over 8000, i tell ya.
Wait, I had the scouter on upside down.
As an outsider I honestly just don’t get what people see in this idiot. How can you take someone that talk like that seriously? He sounds like a nutter that is promising crazy stuff that would literally mean the end of the USA as we know it.
If he’d get his way with this and the other project 2025 stuff it’d honestly be the end of America I think.
Trump is a cult leader in all but name. His zealots support worldviews that have been made illegal, taboo, obsolete, or otherwise unacceptable, like white supremacy and racism, fascism, theocracy, homo-/transphobia, and mysogyny; they perceive this as an attack against their lifestyles by “the others.” They will rally to the loudest voice that speaks out against “the others” and support him as long as that remains true.
Trump cultists are irrational creatures, you can’t apply rational expectations and deduce a satisfactory answer.
As an insider, it’s even worse. You didn’t have to suffer 4 years of continuous clusterfuck and embarrassment only to be topped off by a planned insurrection that they still try to gaslight everyone about.
You’re absolutely correct that it would be the end of America.
I’m Canadian and whenever I’m abroad, the locals ask me what the fuck is wrong with Americans. Expecting I’ll know better bc we’re neighbours.
Which is true, since we’re more likely to interact.
All I can reply is, “They’re just totally fucked!” It’s that simple!Also, when I meet Americans abroad now, the first thing they do is apologize for America. That’s the only Canadian trait that’s rubbed off on them.
As an American, neither do I. The man was a national joke for 30+ years, and all it took was a shiny new coat of paint in the form of a reality TV show where they just straight up constantly lied about his wealth and business acumen, for people to literally begin worshipping him.
Watching your loved ones fall into this shit is heartbreaking.
He promises simple solutions with no sacrifice, essentially just “I’ll fix it.” Certain people love that. Don’t care what the solution is, don’t care that the problem has been simplified beyond recognition, just fix shit.
Paraphrasing here:
“Let’s just take the guns away. Due process after.”
“I’ll have Medicare fixed. Just wait a week.”
“Mexico will pay for it.”
This is the insane dribble this fuck spews on the daily, and people eat it up.
I think what Trump’s following kind of reveals is a sad truth about humans generally; about a quarter of people are very stupid and very susceptible to cult-think. It doesn’t always manifest as support for a politician, it could be anti-vax beliefs, or racism, zionism etc.
Wherever you are, about 25-30% of people are simply not equipped to think critically, and that stupidity is activated or weaponized under various conditions, most often during times of economic stress or social chaos. People who can’t understand the complex causes of a problem are easy to manipulate – you give them a simplistic answer.
“It’s the jews” or “trans people are the root of your problems” etc.
It can happen anywhere because a certain demographic of people are just dumb, and there’s no way around it other than trying to reduce human suffering across the board and making it less likely that anyone is struggling.
I think if Trumps plan plays out and if If Project 2025 is enacted it will likely have more than an effect on the US, it will likely have profound effects on the world. It will change geopolitics and economies through shifts in alliances, trade dynamics, nationalistic sentiments, and domestic economic policies.
Thinking it through, it’ll probably move towards an increasingly complex global landscape, overshadowed by uncertainty and potential conflicts.
The documentary “The Handmaid’s Tale” is about this
People who vote for Trump have been brainwashed by Fox News. It really is as simple as that.
You heard it straight from Trump: you don’t have to vote anymore.
If you’re a trump supporter, take a break on election day. He’s got it covered.
This is as cryptic as saying “I will come to your house tonight and burn it down with everyone still in it.”
You will never need to worry about your house again!
You won’t have to worry about anything at all again.
Do you mean metaphorically?
Too all the Trump supporters, if you want, you can stop voting now. No, seriously, it is a hassle. Stay home, the rest of us can handle it.
In my eyes this is the actual scariest thing he’s ever said.
I mean it quite a good soundbite for any democratic ad for sure.
I seriously want to just scatter pictures of this quote all over town… don’t see how any Republican could be on board with this unless they actually want a dictatorship
Genuine national security threat.
What? Speaking to “Christians” and saying he’ll be god king emperor and/or he’ll help usher in the second coming…you know, Armageddon - the end of the world?
Nothing scary at all.
There’s nothing subtle about Trump. So when he say something blatantly stupid and evil, it doesn’t need translation or interpretation. If he says, “we’re going to ‘fix’ voting so that you’ll never have to worry about voting ever again” there only ONE way to interpret that. Believe people when they show you what they really are.
It also doesn’t help that our mainstream, “liberal news media” (you know, the one that’s owned by only six corporations) is constantly running interference for Trump.
Chaos gets views… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m not american, but I have a feeling this election is going to go into history.
Vote for Trump and he’ll turn it into dictatorship.
Vote for Harris and she’ll be the first woman president.
What will it be?
Not just the first woman president, but the first female mixed race president and the first to snap back when attacked in a long time. Trump is scared. He just went from saying “you don’t need to vote because we have plenty of votes” to “please vote so we can put an to end voting”
Edited to say first female mixed race since Obama was first mixed race
Obama was the first mixed race President.
TIL. I was just leaving highschool when Obama was elected so I don’t know as much about him.
First Asian President
I hope if Harris gets into office she will be more than just a token granted by the DNC to appease minority voters. We already saw Obama being a mediocre at best internally, and internationally brutal war criminal, president. Him being black did not make him a good president. And for Hillary Clinton the “she’s a women” trope failed catastrophically and brought us Trump in the first place.
Harris needs to convince with policy and character, not with race or gender.
EDIT: I did not mean that Harris would only convince with ther background. It is important to move past the tokenism approach that the DNC used to take.
She’s winning with policy and character so far.
So far, I don’t feel like she’s appeasing to minorities.
It’s more about replacing Biden and going against Trump.
RN is the time to do something cool so your name gets on the history test
Buttery mails 2: electric bugaloo
Cryptically? This motherfucker is the most transparent asshole on the planet. He couldn’t convince a bucket of fish they were out of the water.
He plain and clearly said “if I win it will be the end of democracy”. There isn’t subtext.
I don’t have anything to add, I agree wholeheartedly, I just love that saying and somehow hadn’t heard it before
Oh thank you then it was off the cuff so that’s probably why haha
That is not cryptic. He’s saying the quiet part out loud.
Cryptic, no. Bizarre, yes.
Not even bizarre, just saying the quiet part out loud, again.
