It’s easy to say things in the run up to election. I’ll wait and see what she actually does when/if she is elected
That’s funny, I actually think she has to be way more careful on the run-up to the election. After the election she can go ham if she wants . She really can’t yank the carpet out from under netanyahu’s feet before the election.
Netanyahu is clearly courting Republicans with the assumption that Trump is going to win. That was the gamble that looked a lot more certain from his perspective before Biden dropped out last week.
She […] denounced Hamas as a brutal terrorist organisation that triggered the war
Harris, you’re wrong and you know it. This is only the latest battle in a war that has been going on for decades.
And the word you’re not saying is genocide.
Out of curiosity, do you always insist people use the term genocide when addressing the
Ukrainian invasioninvasion of Ukraine, the sinicization of Tibet, and the Uyghur camps as well? Do you always say the Ukrainian genocide, the Tibetan genocide, and the Uyghur genocide? It’s exactly as correct as the former descriptions.I won’t insist on each and every time, but just once would be fantastic.
I personally also don’t say it literally each and every time, but I will say that those examples as also genocide, unequivocally. That’s me on the record, you can quote me on that.
(Also I assume you mean the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the genocide of the Ukrainian people in the invaded areas, not an invasion committed by the Ukrainians, because I’m not aware of that happening anywhere.)
Yes, the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I edited for clarity.
My point is both descriptions are accurate, and sensationalism is polarizing. The wrong language could keep her out of office. This reaffirms the understanding that she’s left of Biden and miles from Trump. That may be all the conviction we get before the election. That doesn’t mean that’s all she has to offer.
Very well made point, imo.
Calling a genocide what it is isn’t sensationalist, regardless of whether or not you think there would be political blowback for her to state that plainly.
You’re couching an implication that describing it as a genocide is an exaggeration in pragmatic language.
We have you on the record…. catloaf
Out of curiosity, do you suppose whataboutism is going to make what Netanyahu does suddenly not be a genocide?
Do you think that because Russia and China are doing it, that makes it OK? We’re not selling Russia and China weapons to use in their genocides.
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that the term genocide does not speak to the severity of Israel’s crimes, only the implied intent. Genocide can be committed without killing anyone. It’s important to state the facts- that tens of thousands of innocent civilian women and children have been killed by the IDF. The term genocide does not imply those atrocities.
Just to make it clear: Do you believe Netanyahu is committing genocide?
Absolutely. I’ve also peacefully protested the sinicization of Tibet since the 80s, which is also a genocide. The ignorance around the word being used to imply “worse killing” is maddening. It’s just like the difference between manslaughter and murder. The difference is intent, not egregiousness.
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“Durr hurr hurr if you don’t think genocide is the greatest shit ever, you must be a bot!”
Genocide is never okay no matter who commits it. There’s definitely different kinds of genocide so it’s hard use the word to properly define it’s context. That said it’s not used when it’s clearly adequate because politics.
Performing a genocide is trying to wipe out national, ethnical, racial or religious identity. You can do it by outright killing them, or be more sneaky and for example stealing their children and adopting them so they never learn about their heritage.
It doesn’t matter how it is done, but the result you are trying to achieve.
Agreed, wholeheartedly. The issue is the politics of it. The perpetrators obfuscate the true intentions of thier actions in every example.
Considering that most of you guys began to say Armenian genocide only after it lost any usefulness whatsoever for Armenians to prevent its continuation, it’s kinda boring to see such arguments.
As a Canadian I feel like people who support our right wing politicians are very generous with the accuracy of what they say and their American counterparts are even more so.
Yet somehow the Progressive side is held to this unusual standard where they’re constantly painted as the villain if they’re off by the slightest bit.
Expecting the right wing to do anything good is futile. If they were going to, they wouldn’t be in the right wing. The Democrats can be pushed left. There is no point in setting standards you know someone will never meet. Some Democrats have already called it genocide, so there it’s achievable.
In this case is more about what you would get out of Biden, Harris, Vance or Trump.
As long as she’s willing to strongly push for a ceasefire as American you got other things to worry about. And for the record I do agree it’s a genocide.
Harris is by no means a progressive, but anyone supporting Israeli government at this point is creepy as fuck
Israel helped Hamas gain power intentionally. Defending Hamas is defending Israel, just as defending Israel is defending Hamas.
Why are you dickriding a fundamentalist, misogynistic and homophobic organization? You can denounce Israel without stanning for them.
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If only she were the current sitting vice president of the United states of America, I.e. was in a position of power where she and the other members of the executive branch could take action as well as “striking a tough tone”.
Actions, as always, speak louder than words.
The Vice President’s only constitutional power is to break ties in the Senate, which is not a very relevant power.
Not defending the person you replied to, but the VP still has behind-closed-doors influence on the sitting president. Pretty sure Biden influenced Obama to support gay marriage, when the latter was iffy because much of the public was still homophobic in the '00s to early '10s.
She’s already been doing that. But it’s not magic. The only other option for her would be to resign her position but that’s political suicide in the US.
Historically the VP has been one of the weakest political positions when it comes to actual power or ability to effect change. Just depends on how much the cabinet/president listen to you.
Unless you were Dick Cheney.
Who had the power to shoot a man in the face while drunk and have him apologize for being shot.
The issue of Palestinian independence has been my longest standing position. I became interested in politics during the second inifada 20+ years ago. It’s been going on longer than that by a longshot.
This is the best we’ve seen in terms of statements. Let’s let her win before we condemn her for shit she can’t act on.
If she gets it and continues to pay lip service only, I’ll agree with your cynicism. Gods know I have enough to go around myself.
a position of power where she and the other members of the executive branch could take action as well as “striking a tough tone”.
Ah, here’s where you’re mistaken. The Vice President is not a position of power. They can try to influence the president, like any other cabinet member, but that’s it. They’re effectively ceremonial.
Tell me the actual power of the VP? The buck stops at the top. The decisions of the executive are the final word. She is one voice among many in the Whitehouse and she doesn’t pull the levers. She can’t force Biden to do whatever she wants. That’s now how it works. She can suggest, she can inform, she can advise, but ultimately, until January, it’s Biden making decisions.
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Enough with words. We have had almost 10 months of them. Just another talker I bet.
I feel that, but to be fair she’s not in a position to do much more than promise at the moment.
I think it’s an encouraging sign that she’s not trying to duck the issue, the way she could. That’s not a guaruntee she’ll take real action, but if she’s distancing herself from Biden on this even before she gets the nomination it’s a good sign.
I think it’s easy to forget just how extreme Biden is on this issue. Harris is your average democrat, but she’s still not ideological like Biden is, most aren’t. Biden went so far as to go around Obama to make promises to Israel when he was VP, I don’t see Harris having that kind of unquestioning desperation to help the right-wing Israeli government.
Thank you for explaining your point of view so well, much appreciated!
Unlike the other guy who lies with every breath he makes she has not given us a reason not to trust her yet…
So don’t even compare its not fair at all.
One is a serial liar, rapist and criminal, and I’m not even exaggerating or being dramatic… just 100% real facts proven in court.
Wake up.
I’d guess they are fully conscious of what they are doing and will happily push America over a cliff for their own sick satification. Ignore them, they are no better then the christo-fascists.
On the contrary, do not ignore them. People base their feeling on the group opinion almost entirely on how often they hear a particular argument. They won’t remember that 90% came from 1 person.
Secondly, unless an idea is actively disagreed with, people (subconsciously) assume you agree with it.
Take every opportunity to disagree with the idiots. You won’t convert them, but you will sow seeds in the minds of those they might be swaying.
It’s a fine line. You don’t want to feed the troll and get yourself frustrated. It may be helpful to rebutt the poster but you should only do it if you can be perfectly infomative and concise. The more you argue with the poster the more onlookers might think both have valid arguments. Most people who are as divisive as seen in the OP have no problem arguing in bad faith. They will move goal post so frequently if you try to defend on all fronts you’ll look like you’re being tossed around.
Point being, general advise, ignore them. More specifically, it’s OK to rebutt them but don’t expect any reflection on their part.
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Lmao do you think lemmy is big enough for people to be paying money to run bots here?
Doesn’t have to be. It’s the best insult to anyone parroting nonsense. You’re basically an AI to us. Ignorable.
I’m not the OP of that comment nor did I express any opinion on the matter but fuck it let’s do this. Your position is, if I understand it correctly, that people who think that a politician, a group of people famous for making empty promises and gestures especially when running for office, might be making empty promises and should not be lauded for what may just be paying lip service to a hot-button issue, are “parroting nonsense” and “basically an AI” to you. I understand that there are constant proven efforts to attempt to convince democratic voters not to vote, but I think that freaking out over any critique of the democratic candidate is frankly unhealthy for both this platform and for democracy at large. I know the stakes for this election, I was going to vote for Biden and I am going to vote for Harris, but just because we live under a fucked up two-party system and we have to fall in line when it comes to voting doesn’t mean we have to fall in line for the dogma as well.
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Removed, trolling.
No, I think it’s a perfect place to try out various information warfare strategies and let new trolls get their feet wet before promoting them to Facebook and reddit.
Removed, civility.
😂
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Kamala is better than this low-brow chesticles meme. It’s not a real quote and it’s not very clever. Unnecessarily sexualizing.
Yeah this comes off real weird.
Also extremely sexist. I’m sick and tired of this balls = courage. Most balls wearing people are cowards.
Oh the irony.
Can confirm
Yeah. I get the intent but it comes off kind of gross.
I don’t think that you or I are the target audience.
Then why post it here?
Because you and I aren’t the entire audience in this community?
I guess the community has spoken.
The funny thing is that downvotes don’t make any difference here. Downvote away.
They show you how many people like or don’t like your Facebook meme
Sorry that everyone kinda piled on. My complaint wasn’t an indictment of your character. I just thought the meme was problematic, possibly unintentionally, and thought I should call it out. Keep memin’!
Did Facebook migrate here or something?
This user has some incredibly weird post history
https://lemmy.world/post/16709798
It’s weirder than that, even
Oh yeah that’s a weird one. They even made that subreddit just to post those 3 posts
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It’s public information, mate.
Kinda think OP has a point about the soap making.
Yup. I know it is and going back and doing that is the the weakest, most pathetic thing you can do.
Removed, civility.
I’ll help you out a bit by permalinking your comment
Thanks.
She’s going to say whatever she thinks will get her elected.
We can’t trust her as far as we can throw her. All this kamala hype is just manufactured by people who spent money.
It’s better than standing 100% behind Israel. Either way, I’ll believe it when I see it.
All this kamala hype is just manufactured by people who spent money.
This is the point I was trying to make.
So what do you suggest? The guy who’s already said he’s for genocide?
All this kamala hype is just manufactured by people who spent money.
This is the point I was trying to make.
pretty dumb point imo
I’m not trying to attack or dog pile on you, I just want the rubber meets road pragmatism of what the best action is. What’s the reality? I’m already aware neoliberals will not be progressives no matter how much you believe in fairies.
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I was asking an honest question, if you’re only about shit posting that’s genuinely disappointing.
Sure you were.
I’m all ears. Do you think I’m doing this for the sweet sweet 0 upvotes? Or the fact that no one reads nested comments unless they wrote them?
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Almost like she wasn’t able to speak for the Harris administration that did not exist. She was beholden to Biden and can now make her own path. Oh, and people can change, besides. Try it.
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Removed, civility.
It was a good point, nevertheless.
As long as she falsely claims Israel has the right to defend itself, everything else she says is noise.
Genocide Joe bots and trolls in shambles
The heck is wrong with you?
The heck are you talking about?
The genocide bullshit you’re talking about. All this “Biden loves genocide” is beyond short sighted and shows you’re plain dumb.
well buddy, if you could read you’d see i was making fun of the bots and trolls that post genocide joe shit all day. Instead you chose insults and refuse to answer questions. Where you been? Take the week off?
Netanyahu: “Please stop withholding weapons and support, please seriously guys cut it out”
TIME Magazine: “Is Netanyahu dragging out the conflict for political benefit?”
Biden: “There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion.”
Kamala Harris: “I will not be silent.”
Hexbear: “Congress gives Netanyahu Standing Ovation, blood on hands of every US lawmaker, US President personally responsible for tens of thousands of deaths directly.”
Democrats give lip service after months of ongoing escalating protests while continuing to arm Israel. Leftists in shambles.
Did you watch the video?
Republicans gave Netanyahu a standing ovation.
Dozens of Democrats abstained, the ones who attended remained seated, and Rashida Tlaib held up a sign that said “war criminal.”
I insult Hexbear at every opportunity, bunch of dictator removedsuckers they are.
Not touching this landmine
I find it hilarious whenever I call them that they start wailing about homophobia, lol. Nobody insulted Eva Braun for sucking some guy off, the problem was that it was literally Hitler.
Ah yes, the truest sign of liberal enlightenment, casual homophobia,
Sucking removed is a fantastic thing to do for your fellow human, and a true friend loves and appreciates you for it.
But sucking the removeds of dictators, that’s something sensible people everywhere disapprove of. Pretty much every dictator has awful anti-LGBT+ rhetoric and inhumane anti-LGBT+ policies.
Don’t be dense. The poster above me was using “removedsucker” as an insult, which is a go-to homophobic insult, and I called it out. There’s no nuance or subtlety or dictionary lawyering that perfectly clearly expressed sentiment into being anything other than what it is.
Yes, but is there anything in what I said that you actually disagree with?
See, I think we agree, it’s just that I’m being more light hearted about it than you are. Good cop, bad cop, that sort of thing. You’re all “you’re nasty homophobe!” and I’m all “heyy, man, you should appreciate the blow jobs, not hate on them! But blow jobs are not for dictators.”
“it’s just a joke! i’m just joking! you need to lighten up!”
I never actually called you or anybody else a nasty homophobe, I called out a single comment for expressing a casual homophobic sentiment.