Goodbye and thanks for all the
fishshit, TrudeauI’m surprised by the backlash, this is Liberal’s only chance. I know it’s fun for the armchair political analysts to poke fun at the ones analyzing for money, but we can all see the same writing on the wall. Incumbents are fuckin losing, all around the world, to far-right challengers. The U.S. Democratic tried and utterly failed to change the optics on their party being responsible for corporations using a fucking pandemic as a smokescreen to tighten the clamps of late-stage capitalism with price hikes that will never come down. Liberal still has to find a way to sell change from the status quo if they want to stay in power, so they’re taking a gamble. Maybe the issue really was that Biden dropped out too late, or maybe Americans really are dumber than Canadians. Either way, it was take this gamble of have a guaranteed loss. It’ll be interesting to see who takes Trudeau’s place, and whether they can sell themselves as enough of a difference in the ~8 months they’ll have.
what labor? trudeau is the head of the liberal party
that’s my bad, it’s early and I got my centrist L parties mixed up.
Been a long time coming. Trudeau can’t take a dump without running it by his corporate overlords first. And he flooded the country with more immigration than the infrastructure can handle, simply because his handlers demanded he provide them with cheap & exploitable labor.
But his party is completely corporate captured, and I don’t see them being able to produce anyone better. What’s extremely concerning is some people are floating Freeland as a replacement, who has repeatedly exposed herself as a Nazi sympathizer if not one herself, so there is some level of support in the party for embracing the race towards fascism to appease the corporate class and oppose the growing discontent of the working class.
Too bad NDP is too corrupt and incompetent to provide a better option.
Just popped in to say: if you’re a Nazi sympathizer, you’re a Nazi.
Nazis don’t leave a lot of room for nuance.
and people scoffed when i said shit’s going to get worse worldwide because of trump…
Melania eye-humped Trudeau three too many times.
Is that Scummo in the background? LOL.
I like seeing these little glimpses into famous people’s lives. Here you can see what an absolute removed the orange guy is, for example.
And even now, I scoff! But, like, in a “no duh” agreeing kind of way.
The same immigrants who told me not to worry about Trump were the same ones telling me that their homeland was justified in punishing/purging x people because “it’s global politics” and that I’m “too American” to understand. The same people who told me that the US president can’t affect the rest of the world’s politics because “each country has their own independent government.”
I swear, if I told these people that I had cancer in my toe, they’d tell me to not get it treated because it’s not anywhere important.
To my knowledge there have been people here on Lemmy stating that it would be best if he stepped down. Oh gentle Canadian neighbors:
Whaaat is happening up there, my dudes?
Nothing. This is the SAME SHIT THAT HAPPENED IN 1993, except it was a conservative PM then (Mulroney). The last generation of them that cared to be a leader for all sides. Harper was outright an enemy to decency.
Nowadays, the notion of self-sacrifice for utilitarian ethics is a rarified trait; and utterly non-existent on the right of the aisle. Run the thought experiment for yourself and simulate a republican or a conservative candidate doing the right thing. It’s good for a laugh.
Mulroney was simply unpopular, especially about the GST. People fucking HATE Trudeau, a deep visceral feeling he’s engendered across the country, and it’s not recent. (It’s hard to take anyone seriously that calls Harper a threat to decency)
Oh I hated Mulroney too… Conservatives have been slimy and repellent to my sensibilities since about grade 4.
Your lack of ability to take me seriously is, frankly, your own flaw to come to grips with. It doesn’t change my ability to vote or who I will vote for, and mine counts the same as yours, Peaches.
Politically speaking, hes doing the right thing. The mandate of the people kind of requires it. Its not good for anything other than the expectations of democracy and the system set up for him and canadian citizens.l as a whole. Like, long term world implications im not thrilled, but the writing is on the walls. Its a “you want to make this bed, fine, sleep in it” sort of situation. He has no mandate now.
I know that i will hate what comes next, and i know it feels like he and his party is rolling over, and i know canadians, much like usa citizens with trump, are playing with a stacked deck. But personally, ill stand here with the odds stacked against. Having faith in the systems we have set up, that we will survive this too.
I believe in a fucking system. Thats why i was not protesting today when trump got certified. Trudeau stepping down is correct. And ill die on the hill that i will help maintain that system. When someone breaks that system however, unlike our brothers to the north, ive got loads of guns and a very ignorant population to convince. But I will abide by our democratic institutions and hold faith in them as far as i can.
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We just had the worst decade of governing our country ever had and we are spiralling out of control in debt, cost of living and hope. It’s amazing how much damage one man can do in a decade.
we are spiralling out of control in debt, cost of living and hope
Yeah that’s centrist-conservative degradation. We’ve been experiencing that in the United States since the mid-70s. Just wait until they begin deleting your social programs like they have been doing here.
It’s amazing how much damage one man can do in a decade.
You said it; took Corporate income tax from 22% down to 15% tax; the worst expansion of GDP since the great depression; slowest export growth in post WW2 history; prevented more government employees of speaking out than any other government; massive voter suppression; pled guilty to exceeding national election advertising limits; foreign affairs minister resigned after it was revealed that he had left classified NATO documents at his girlfriends house; constantly closing regional veterans affairs offices; when he refused to release documents on the issue of torture of enemy combatants, and prorogued Parliament in December, 2009, then shutting down the parliamentary committee that was probing the abuse allegations; threatened the supreme court when they wouldn’t ratify his choice for a new justice; allowed a senior cabinet minister to personally direct a $50-million “legacy” fund, funnel millions in infrastructure to his Muskoka riding - Municipalities far from the actual summit site were given hundreds of thousands of dollars for sidewalk improvements, parks, and most infamously, a gazebo. A subsequent investigation by the auditor general showed funds were doled out with no bureaucratic oversight or paper trails. The cabinet minister was later promoted to president of the Treasury Board, the department that oversees government spending; ruled in contempt of parliament twice - first when the international aid minister lied about the defunding of charitable organization KAIROS, and second with the cabinet’s refusal to reveal the costs of corporate tax cuts, criminal justice measures, and the beleaguered F-35 fighter jet program.
Well, up in Canada, we also have scumbag conservatives. Same as yours, they talk about the cost of everything and the value of nothing. And they work to convince the hillbillies to vote for tax breaks they won’t get to offset higher costs they don’t mention. And American healthcare.
So now you’re up to speed. Rafael Cruz is half-canadian, apparently, and that’s the half he is.
Pretty soon we’ll have our own Kamal-eh to lose this next election, and hospitals will sell shares.
Would that I could believe otherwise.
Damn that’s sad. So is Jack Layton like our Bernie Sanders? You can’t get three Canadians together without them pining over how Jack could have fixed all this.
Jack Layton was the NDP (New Democratic Party) leader from 2003-2011, in that period we had legit talks of a coalition government after the incumbent Tories lost confidence, parliament was prorogued and those flopped unfortunately. The NDP was the official opposition in 2011, which is a big part of his legacy, unfortunately he passed from cancer several months after the election, managed to pull that from being far behind the liberals entering the campaign, liberal party became a third party and Justin Trudeau became the elected leader of the liberals after that (semi interesting is Bob Rae was the interim leader, he was the NDP premier of Ontario in the 90s that still seems to haunt the provincial NDP somehow)
NDP itself is a social democracy party, its roots are in the CCF (Cooperative Commonwealth Federation), very pro labour, it’s the party of Tommy Douglas who is widely credited as being the creator of Medicare in Canada as the premier of Saskatchewan. During Layton’s years, they were always very pro privacy and net neutrality amongst other positions that are still 100% applicable today. Mildly interesting, Justin’s father Pierre Elliott Trudeau was originally part of the CCF and NDP.
That is interesting, thanks
Trudeau is poison to the Liberal brand. In Canada we don’t vote parties in, we vote parties (and leaders) out. Trudeau has been PM for just over 9 years, the 7th longest serving PM.
What will happen is we’ll vote the Cons in, they’ll make hilariously huge mistakes like they always do, get 1-2 terms, then get voted out in favour of another Liberal government. If you go back throughout our history we have almost exactly 2-1 Lib - Con governments by time in office.
Poilievre is an anti-abortion career politician who is going to try to ape what Trump did, only every time he speaks he loses votes. He has a whiny voice and is widely referred to as ‘Milhouse’ because, well, he looks like Milhouse. He’s not a strong-man and his public speaking is embarrassing. He’ll brown nose Trump as much as he can and absolutely eat it when Trumps policies fuck our economy.
That’s a lot of bias.
This doesn’t sound terrible?
In Australia, it feels like the inverse. We generally have conservative governments until they do something particularly abhorrent and lose government for a term.
We’re presently enjoying our once-in-a-decade progressive government term and sadly I feel they have squandered their term. They seem determined to ignore the core responsibility of making life better for everyone and instead waste political capital on fanciful notions like banning sheep exports and frivolous changes to the constitution.
It’s not exactly accurate either. It’s not that Trudeau is “poison to the liberal brand”. American politics poisoned our politics. It’s true we vote out parties but this time the real shit is because of the poison pill of insane American politics.
Back in 2011 the “liberal brand” was that of being relegated to the 3rd place party because they lost the election so bad. Trudeau was plucked out to be party leader. Some say reluctantly because they had no one else to lead it. We will never know the true behind closed doors story.
The liberal brand or whatever was dog shit 20 years ago. Conservatives won the smallest minority government ever. Nobody wanted to vote for liberals. Nobody wanted to vote for conservatives. So the conservatives got about 10 years of government because of apathy.
Trudeau was actually doing fine in roughly the first half of his leadership. Rescued them no longer being one half of the defacto two party system. Economy was doing good. Poverty was going down. Restored the census which conservatives killed off. Removed conservative censorship of scientists. Actual climate change policies. Got legal weed. Actually addressed social issues. Unlike the previous conservative government who were stoking proto-MAGA type divisiveness.
Then the Trump era came into full swing and the conservative party adopted American culture wars. Then COVID and the economic+social fallout hit. So naturally all that is Trudeaus fault.
Whoever is the unfortunate next leader of the liberal party will also be “poison” to the liberal brand. Because that’s how Americanized culture war politics works. They will ad hominem the next person to death. Elections will have absolutely zero policy and 100% culture war personal attacks.
In another reality where America doesn’t go off the deep end Trudeau maybe even has few more years in office until getting voted out in a boring uneventful election where conservatives win another small minority. But no this is the insane timeline. Conservatives are headed to a resounding majority win because “MAGA” reasons.
It wasn’t so bad when we had Liberals and less neo-Liberals. We’ve also had Liberal governments that don’t fix as many of the Con failures of the past as they used to.
Also our medical is mostly provincial so as they flip Con we are losing more and more Universal healthcare. If you can believe it, we’re actually going towards more of the American model each election.
I hope your progressives turn it around a little, because it looks like young males all around the world are leaning fascist.
Any reliable source/study on the global male fascist thing? I see it repeated a lot and would love details on how true it might be and why
So there’s no one-study, one-link, etc, for this. North America has a rise in people joining (and creating) fascist groups - in addition if you look at any Conservative parties voters, they’re predominantly male. Here in Canada we have this problem
A lot of this is via Russia, see this fun set of numbers.
Also with the ‘Convoy’ which our incoming Conservative Prime Minister marched with.
Worldwide if you look at anywhere that is moving very openly towards fascism, (France, Germany, etc) you’ll find the voters of said parties trend male, and young. I haven’t saved any links, but someone here might have saved some.
If you don’t mind my postulating; the why is that men have been taught for ages now that they’re the top, they’re the default. Room temperature is what a (middle aged, white) man finds comfortable; drugs weren’t tested for women for quite some time; the main ‘character’ is media is statistically almost always male:
So then we add in that men are shown that they are more violent towards their partners than women are, and they see people of colour, or women, having programs that help them try to equal out numbers vs. their white/male counterparts, yet their lives were often set to fail by end-stage capitalisms myriad issues such as lack of affordable housing, worsening job conditions, and sociopathic CEO’s who will literally get people killed just to make line go up. Then they hear that they actually have it the easiest of all sets of people. So they are trying to match in their head how these two things can both be true; how are they suffering all this negativity and the best-off? They need something to talk about, how they are also discriminated against, so they find anything they can and use it as a wedge issue. Men commit suicide more? Must be because of women. And which ideology says that men are the be-all-, end-all, strongest and best? Fascism. Which promises easy answers to difficult problems? Fascism. Who lets you belong to the in-group, and punishes the out-group? Fascism. So for young men who are never shown other options, and the fact that youtube/social media literally guides young men towards these things (because it causes engagement to go up, you see), means they are more likely to ascribe to them. Socialism requires sacrifice and working as a team, something men have been taught to avoid; it’s all about being the rugged individual, the maverick, the solo whatever (at least in my experience and understanding of recent history).
To sum, fascism offers easy answers and the ability to be the in-crowd, while giving you an enemy that is both weak (and thus beatable), but strong (so you don’t look like a removed.)
Yeah, the medical industry in Australia is probably similar, sliding away from universal health care.
I mean it’s nothing like the US but I do feel that we’re headed in the wrong direction.
10 years ago it wasn’t hard to find a GP that wouldn’t charge you anything on top of the government rebate. Now the rebate is usually about half what the GP is charging.
That said, myself and those in my care have spent a lot of time in hospital over the last few years and we haven’t paid a cent for any of that. My partner gave birth to Twins, it was a “complex pregnancy”, all fit and well in the end but we spent 3 months in another city to be near a specialist hospital. Govt paid for a nice apartment for us for the whole time, absolutely gold standard care from the miracle workers at that hospital, just amazing honestly.
That said, myself and those in my care have spent a lot of time in hospital over the last few years and we haven’t paid a cent for any of that. My partner gave birth to Twins, it was a “complex pregnancy”, all fit and well in the end but we spent 3 months in another city to be near a specialist hospital. Govt paid for a nice apartment for us for the whole time, absolutely gold standard care from the miracle workers at that hospital, just amazing honestly.
That sounds absolutely incredible, absolutely fight with every breath you have to keep that. The right-wing is coming for it, and I’m worried too many of us are complacent and refuse to stand up to it. Good luck, and Love from Canada.
our medical is mostly provincial
That’s intentional. And it’s precisely so Harper couldn’t fuck it up when he wasn’t signing away our rights to our own land. His people can only fuck over a province at a time while we can potentially show off better outcomes from places he hasn’t wrecked yet.
That’s intentional. And it’s precisely so Harper couldn’t fuck it up when he wasn’t signing away our rights to our own land. His people can only fuck over a province at a time while we can potentially show off better outcomes from places he hasn’t wrecked yet.
The issue is people (particularly men) are falling for it, and once PP is our PM you can bet we’re going to get more of it. People aren’t seeing the worsening of it and changing their minds – Alberta voted the UCP in again after Smith had already been in charge. The BC NDP nearly lost to John Rustad. I’d love it if these bad examples worked, but they don’t seem to be.
Shits kinda on fire and it’s probably like 50% the USs fault.
But we kind of tend to start getting pissy with our pms after about 10 years,
Is it 50% our fault in a “look what you made me do” kind of way, or did we actively intervene in something? It’s hard to keep up with all the ways we’re fucking people these days…
It’s the US’s fault in the way that taking ownership of your own countries faults is painful.
There’s definitely things the US and it’s representatives have done that have influenced decisions made by Canadians, but the bed is made primarily by Canadians.
Do you mind providing examples? I just remember some crazy shit going on with truckers that felt super-USA-influenced, but I don’t even remember what happened nor did I ever understand the nuances.
IIRC some American citizens participated in that, but the Canadian portion was largely a Canadian thing. It was influenced by Americans doing the same thing, but the Canadians weren’t forced to follow along. It’s just easier for people to say it’s someone else’s fault than to accept that it’s a much more nuanced issue than that. Reactionary mentality has been spreading around the world, and it isn’t the fault of the US, but it does play a part.
Tariffs.
We’re connected to the US in so many ways that the tariffs scared the shit out of everyone provincially and federally.
Everyone’s doing damage control so they don’t piss off the orange oompa-loompa.
Inflation(read: gouging) is a massive problem which isn’t being tackled, housing is unaffordable, and the medical systems are underfunded (due in part to the exploitative US system). There’s also some conflict in our relations with Mexico which I’m personally pissed about but I don’t think most are concerned with.
The opposition party is headed by a far right “populist” who claims the current status quo is “authoritarian socialism” and is supported by Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk.
Liberals are upset with Trudeau for failing to fix the issues listed above and offering no counter to some of the legitimate populist policies Pierre champions.
This is not an issue isolated to Canada, this same story - give or take a few details - is playing out all over the Western world. The liberals are being exposed as lame ducks and losing the support of the people, leaving the faux-populist far right to take their place, in the conspicuous absence - or rather, enforced impotence - of left-populists. The status quo is falling apart and fascism is returning in force, largely unopposed.
We have the same inflation / gouging problem in Australia.
We had a supermarkets inquiry to investigate practices of price gouging. I don’t think anyone has any faith that it’s going to improve anything.
worldwide the same problems. therefore everyone is being told it‘s the foreigners‘ fault. now everybody‘s getting their individual nationalism/fascism
Capitalism
‘gouging’ is just monopoly capitalism. You can’t stop it unless you regulate the market and enforce antitrust laws, but that’s ‘big gubbament’
Inflation(read: monopoly capitalism)
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Proroguing Parliament for 2½ months to pick a new leader isn’t a good look for the Liberals on this one, but I can see why they went for it. That’s a lot of news cycles for things to cool off before a likely election.
I doubt it will be enough to keep the anti-trans bigot party from winning a majority government, sadly.
Are you Canadian?
Longest I’ve been out of Canada is a week.
I wonder who gets to play the role of Kim Campbell this time?
So who is Musk going to replace him with?
By the sound of it, his own party gets to pick a new leader to carry out his term. So we may have to wait for their next election before Elon gets can to buy Canada.
I could be completely wrong though I dont know anything about Canadian political systems.
The current government is a minority government, so the opposition parties can force an election whenever. By law, the next election has to occur by October 5th, but the opposition will likely trigger an election at the earliest opportunity. This is why Trudeau also delayed the next next sitting of parliament until March, to allow the party to elect a new leader before the inevitable election.
Long story short, the Conservatives will likely be in power by summer.
The NDP isn’t dumb enough to support a no confidence vote. They threatened to do so to get Trudeau out but there’s no way they’d go through with it. The projected conservative majority would kill the influence they currently have.
They don’t really have anything to gain by delaying until October, and they lose any power/credibility they have anyway if they make this an empty threat.
They get to maintain their influence (however small) over the government for another 9 months. Trudeau stepping down is an easy out for the NDP to claim they got what they wanted.
They don’t really have anything to gain by delaying until October
They gain more money, because they are the only major political party that has virtually zero dollars in donations from companies. The NDP absolutely struggle when there are frequent elections, because they’re funded almost entirely by the (barely remaining) middle class, and the poor. After Harper removed the cap/guaranteed money for each party to have per election, the NDP have been so far behind the funding of the other parties it’s very sad.
Is Musk legally eligible to be the PM?
Good
found another dufus. the only people cheering are the “fuck Trudeau” camp who are too daft to realize that we’ll get much worse instead or who know this and want it.
the world slides further away from progress.
I’m not Canadian but fuck Trudeau and the liberal party for campaigning on replacing First-past-the-post voting and then shrugging his shoulders and doing jack shit when the election was over.
We really are more alike then we like to admit. Just the same humans in a different location.
Here is a video on the history of council housing in the UK. Seems like yall need to share it with each other up north der (us too, thanks).
Peace.
Here we go again with the “laZe-eR EvE’UhL” and “trollolol problem” but Canada-style.
Shouldn’t this make you and others demand reform from Liberal Party? Or support New Democratic Party which is far more progressive? And before you mention about the two party system, it’s quite weak in Canada compared to the American system. After all, the Canadian Tories went extinct despite having been a force to reckon with.
The reason the world is regressing is because of champagne socialists and limousine liberals forcing salt of the earth people to choose for the “lazer eve’uhl” who will do nothing substantial but for their corporate overlords.
So the guy who wears blackface and encourages the poor to kill themselves was a good leader for Canada?
Wasn’t the blackface thing decades ago?
Still problematic sure but extremely disingenuous to present it in the present tense as if it’s happening right now (unless there’s something I don’t know).
True, the whole “Kill the poor and pretend its medicine.” thing though… that’s much worse.
No really they made a whole commercial trying to glamorize it and everything.
Well it’s mostly that at least a certain group with disabilities has access to a way out when life is too harsh. It is to limit unneeded suffering. A respectful way to end one’s life should be available to everyone, but that is a hard pill to swallow for many neurotypical / religious people. So it gets limited to a certain group, and then they use that compromise as an argument…
You don’t decide whether you are born, at least let us have more control over our own death. In a progression of our human civilization, this should count for everyone.
Framing this in a bad way is exactly what some conservative politicians and media want.
You really need to look into how MAID is being used and who it’s being pushed on. To call it a “Assisted Dying” program is blatantly ignoring the harsh ways Canada abuses it and pushes it onto the poor especially.
Edit: Even the group that called for MAID to begin with thinks it’s being abused - https://www.yahoo.com/news/assisted-dying-abused-canada-admits-222218423.html
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Loudspeaker truck?
Whoa, what news have I been missing out of Canada?
Inflation is high, quality of life is slipping, etc. Everyone thinks he should be doing more and the Liberals don’t like his odds if an election is called.
The dude has been plagued by scandals for the past decade. It’s honestly shocking that he managed to last this long. I think he’s just been riding the “I’m not Trump” wave for a long time.
Decade? 🤔
Not quite. He fucked us with one promise first round (electoral reform) but otherwise he was mostly ok for a few years. The last 4 have been pretty shitty tho.
Eh, I’d have voted for him again over Singh or PPboi but between the blackface thing, the SNC affair, etc. he’s definitely had his fair share of indirectly political scandals over basically his entire tenure.
He didn’t do everything he promised, played some net-zero impact political games but also accomplished some meaningfully positive things (childcare, forced rezoning, carbon tax, etc.) that people seem to totally ignore. My only meaningful complaint with him is the electoral reform and the lack of antitrust action, but I otherwise think he did “fine” over his tenure.
unfortunately we fucked ourselves with electoral reform. it went to a referendum and the fucking morons botched it by complaining that it was to complicated and then just voted no. I’m still pissed about it.
So between “Burning down churches is understandable” (A line taken out of context, but still looks pretty bad…) and “Thanks to MAID we can just kill the poor!”
What else has he gotten in trouble for
blackface is the one everyone usually says
Ah… forgot about that one
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I’ll be honest, I have some degrees of separation from Canadian politics as an American, so I miss a lot of the political news about the country. However, I also live in Minnesota and passively absorb a lot more Canadian politics than the average American.
The PM isn’t directly elected, they’re selected by the majority party in the House of Commons. To me, his long term in office is a monument to the fear North American liberals have towards change. Politics in Canada have also been shifting towards a progressive left/MAGA-esque political split due to the US. I think Canada will be facing a choice between the NDP and the Conservatives in this year’s election. If the Ontario governor is anything to go by, the Conservatives will be more than happy to work closely with Trump.
The NDP is unfortunately not a real contender in the federal elections. There’s no “choice between the NDP and the Conservatives.” They have zero chance of winning an election, but at least they can win enough seats to matter.
Damn. I suppose that also precludes a landslide PQ win too? /s
In all seriousness, I hope the election isn’t as grim as it seems atm. Good luck, here’s to international solidarity against these dangerous idiots
I’m so separatef from Canadian politics I genuinely can’t tell if people even liked him or not.
Genuinely yes, both fangirls/boys and pragmatic people.
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Wait what the crab mean?
Happy that he’s finally gone
Lol TIL
He said something about not moving forward with electoral reform being his greatest regret. Canadians, help me out here: could he still not just pass a bill immediately implementing the reforms suggested by the committee on election reform from like 8 years ago? Surely the NDP would support it.
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Oh snap elections?
