Though I get the hurr-durr he earned it replies, is this really who we want to be? Shouldn’t all prisoners, including the ones we don’t like, have the right to some basic human decency?
Yes, this guy is a dip shit criminal asshole, but I am not. I am better than him, and I feel that cheering his inhumane conditions makes me like him. Makes me an asshole.
In principle, you’re not wrong. In practice, I’m absolutely not above taking sheer glee in his suffering. Does that make me a bad person? Probably. But at this point I’m past caring. He doesn’t deserve empathy when he has none for anyone else and has spent his entire career teaching people that empathy is weakness. Scum like him and the people who enable them only exist to make the world a worse place and if they all died tomorrow we’d be significantly better off.
Agree. I also think an innocent until proven guilty attitude wouldn’t go amiss. Honestly, he’s an absolute cunt and I have a strong dislike for him and his manosphere bullshit. I think grifters like him are harmful and absolutely worthy of our collective disdain and derision. But punishment needs to happen after trial and a proven verdict.
I think the most upvoted comment here, with more upvotes than the post even from what I can see, is probably how most people feel:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28189667
I think most people don’t want to have anyone in these conditions, but he as an individual is not going to garner any sympathy by talking about it. I’m all for prison reform, but hearing him complain about his conditions doesn’t spur me to any do any action I wasn’t already going to do. I’m not motivated to march to improve his personal conditions. If what he’s saying is true, which I doubt only because he’s a known liar and fraud, then I do hope that the conditions in the prison improve. I’m just not shedding any tears for him in the interim.
Not going to bother to reply to the one who replied to you already, I feel like it’s a wasted effort.
But I agree with you. I read this before seeing the name at the top, and felt deep remorse for another human’s suffering. Reading the name at the top didn’t change that, it just informed me that the person suffering was someone who has done terrible things. But that doesn’t change that a human is suffering.
Justice is not revenge, justice is not punitive, justice is not violent unless it must be. Justice is removing someone from society until they can be rehabilitated, and removing them from society permanently if they cannot be. But removed from society does not mean abused, beaten, neglected, or treated like an animal in a cage. That makes the jailer just as guilty of criminality as the jailed.
Think of it this way: if someone attacks you with a knife, and you defend yourself and kill them, you have acted in self defense. If someone attacks you with a knife, you get away, and then spend a year hunting them down and kill them, you are a murderer. Just because that person has committed an act of violence does not give you license to premeditatively plan their assault or torture. Jails are purpose built, they are planned, we know what we are building when we build them. To intentionally build a university of crime with professors of cruelty is a premeditated act of violence against people who have not even yet been convicted.
I don’t think anyone who suggesting that prisons don’t need to be reformed. But if anyone deserve this treatment it’s him.
It’s also worth noting that he’s probably laying on quite thick to try and garner some sympathy, he’s not exactly known for being a truthful individual.
People deserve what they’ve earned; this is the core of justice. It’s natural to feel pleased when justice is served, but remorse should be directed at the victims, not the criminal.
Though I get the hurr-durr he earned it replies, is this really who we want to be? Shouldn’t all prisoners, including the ones we don’t like, have the right to some basic human decency?
Yes, this guy is a dip shit criminal asshole, but I am not. I am better than him, and I feel that cheering his inhumane conditions makes me like him. Makes me an asshole.
I just don’t believe what he’s writing, his whole career is built on lies and the other prison tweets seem like bullshit as well.
In principle, you’re not wrong. In practice, I’m absolutely not above taking sheer glee in his suffering. Does that make me a bad person? Probably. But at this point I’m past caring. He doesn’t deserve empathy when he has none for anyone else and has spent his entire career teaching people that empathy is weakness. Scum like him and the people who enable them only exist to make the world a worse place and if they all died tomorrow we’d be significantly better off.
Agree. I also think an innocent until proven guilty attitude wouldn’t go amiss. Honestly, he’s an absolute cunt and I have a strong dislike for him and his manosphere bullshit. I think grifters like him are harmful and absolutely worthy of our collective disdain and derision. But punishment needs to happen after trial and a proven verdict.
First proper response, thank you!
Yeah especially since it’s obvious that most of them have never spent a minute in a cell.
I think the most upvoted comment here, with more upvotes than the post even from what I can see, is probably how most people feel: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28189667
I think most people don’t want to have anyone in these conditions, but he as an individual is not going to garner any sympathy by talking about it. I’m all for prison reform, but hearing him complain about his conditions doesn’t spur me to any do any action I wasn’t already going to do. I’m not motivated to march to improve his personal conditions. If what he’s saying is true, which I doubt only because he’s a known liar and fraud, then I do hope that the conditions in the prison improve. I’m just not shedding any tears for him in the interim.
Not going to bother to reply to the one who replied to you already, I feel like it’s a wasted effort.
But I agree with you. I read this before seeing the name at the top, and felt deep remorse for another human’s suffering. Reading the name at the top didn’t change that, it just informed me that the person suffering was someone who has done terrible things. But that doesn’t change that a human is suffering.
Justice is not revenge, justice is not punitive, justice is not violent unless it must be. Justice is removing someone from society until they can be rehabilitated, and removing them from society permanently if they cannot be. But removed from society does not mean abused, beaten, neglected, or treated like an animal in a cage. That makes the jailer just as guilty of criminality as the jailed.
Think of it this way: if someone attacks you with a knife, and you defend yourself and kill them, you have acted in self defense. If someone attacks you with a knife, you get away, and then spend a year hunting them down and kill them, you are a murderer. Just because that person has committed an act of violence does not give you license to premeditatively plan their assault or torture. Jails are purpose built, they are planned, we know what we are building when we build them. To intentionally build a university of crime with professors of cruelty is a premeditated act of violence against people who have not even yet been convicted.
We desperately need prison reform
I don’t think anyone who suggesting that prisons don’t need to be reformed. But if anyone deserve this treatment it’s him.
It’s also worth noting that he’s probably laying on quite thick to try and garner some sympathy, he’s not exactly known for being a truthful individual.
People deserve what they’ve earned; this is the core of justice. It’s natural to feel pleased when justice is served, but remorse should be directed at the victims, not the criminal.