What a terrible graph. Market share as a percent on one side being compared to absolutely numbers on the other.
The author could draw any conclusions they wanted by just scaling the axis differently.
So much Firefox hate this is the 3rd post today I have seen. It is ok to criticize but without acknowledging it is the only mainstream browser that is keeping an anti ad block monopoly from forming.
If they’re the same 3 posts I saw then it’s all OP.
You’re absolutely right, I checked all of the Mozilla hate posts I commented on today and they are all posted by OP ([email protected])
And all upvoted. Apparently hate wagons work well, no matter the cause
OP, can we fuck off with the Mozilla hate? How much is Google paying you to cry?
242 posts in 11 days of life, 42 comments. That seems like an odd account, doesn’t it?
As much as I’m happy to criticise Mozilla and its leadership, this graph is misleading.
Firefox is not the only thing Mozilla does, not should the market share of the browser be the sole metric the leadership is measured by.
Overlay the revenue and profit (or whatever revenue minus expenses is called for a nonprofit), then decide if the CEO is overpaid.
Also market share != number of users. The number of internet users worldwide in 2009 was about 1.7 billion, this year it is passing 5.5 billion, many of them with multiple devices.
The more important point where the graph is misleading.
While their market share went down, that says nothing. The market exploded over that period.
Total installs is the thing you want to graph.
Or Monthly Active Users, which has been mostly flat or slightly declining since 2019, the oldest date that Firefox currently lists on their website. Because all sorts of graphs are publicly available on that site.
I’m also certain that I can find data going back further.
The CEO was overpaid regardless of their performance imo. Most CEOs are.
Every single anti-Mozilla post OP has posted recently (I’ve seen 4 of them just today in my feed) is extremely misleading. Strange pattern…
Is Mozilla making significant revenue from sources other than the search engine setting in Firefox?
Why do they need to pay chairs?
Has AI gone too far already?!?
Putting everything else aside, can you imagine being them in 2016? Doubling your income in a year… by more than a million fucking dollars!?
That would be absolutely mind blowing… I think getting 4-5k a year would be exciting…
Are you sure it’s a meme? You’ve posted two tweets here but they don’t seem to be memes.
I understand you think they are serious problems and want people’s attention, but they’re not relevant to this specific community
I think people just don’t know what a meme is anymore. A meme is just a image on the Internet for them.
Forced memes don’t work either. Just ask Milhouse
Classic
Old man yells at cloud.jpeg
Wait, is this not a meme? What is a meme? Am I a meme??
You are now!
Congratulations
No you are not a meme but if you work really hard maybe, someday, you will become one.
At this point I’ve seen people use meme for something as generic as something being funny, something being bad, literally just images of tweets, etc.
To me a meme is exactly: A visually assisted joke format. Where the visual provides both the structure of the joke and carries with it some extra cultural understanding that enhances the joke if people understand it. And in order for it to be a meme and not just a comic or something, it needs to be reused to make other jokes with the same format. Optionally, the very act of reusing it can itself add shared meaning in a meta sense.
At this point I’ve seen people use meme for something as generic as something being funny, something being bad, literally just images of tweets, etc.
But that’s what a meme literally is:
A meme is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme. A meme acts as a unit for carrying ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme.
Source: Wikipedia
Your definition is describing a macro.
Sort of? I know meme was a word before the internet usage of it took off, but what I described is how it has been used in the space of internet memes for over a decade. And that usage ends up just being a more specific definition than the broader one. An internet meme is a subset of the academic concept of a meme.
It seems only recently people on the internet have started more casually using it in the way I described.
An example that’s particularly confusing to me: I play a bunch of strategy games. Sometimes people will call a particular strategy a “meme” when they just mean it’s bad. It doesn’t carry any kind of extra meaning with it. It’s not going to convey any other ideas. They’ve just swapped out one word for a word that means something else for seemingly no reason other than laziness.
idk, doesn’t really matter that much. It’s just one of those little things that rubs me the wrong way.
If people use the term meme to mean more than macros, then the definition changes. Language reflects the way people communicate. So if a bunch of people use language a certain, unorthodox way, they are not wrong.
Sometimes people will call a particular strategy a “meme” when they just mean it’s bad.
I think you misunderstand what those people are saying. They probably call it a “meme”, because players imitate some weird behavior, they saw in a video or on Discord something without thinking through the strategy. IMHO, “meme” is a way better description of that phenomenon than “bad strategy”, because it includes why people are deploying that strategy.
Give people a bit more credit, will you?
The DNA of the soul.
This community is not for memes specifically.
I think it would fit better in the Firefox community: https://fedia.io/m/firefox
They’d rather not because they’re all about posting misleading anti-mozilla sentiment
I posted there based on your recommendation.
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In addition to being in the wrong section, this also shows that Firefox usage was in a steep decline long before the pay took off in 2016.
Yeah another way to interpret it is “oh damn were doing something wrong and need better leadership”.
Not saying that’s actually the case, but would better align with the graphic.
Another way to interpret it is, “leadership pay has absolutely no impact on the success of a product.”
Yet another way is, “if you’re struggling, put your money into almost anything else than raises for upper management.”
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Looks like Alphabet is going to start the Extinguish phase.
Microblog Memes
This community is not for memes specifically? Lol
Wow, so where’s everyone going? I just join FF not too long ago and everyone leaving already?
The graph stops at 2019
Nah, Firefox is great.
I’m guessing that a lot of traffic is just bots using the chromium engine.
Also, I think that mirrors the marketshare of devices used to browse the Internet. More and more phones, less and less computers.
Brave TBH. Don’t really care about ethics but Firefox doesn’t run on 8GB of RAM so I bailed.
Brave = chromium, ain’t no fuckin way Brave performs better than Firefox or Waterfox
Huh, I’m pretty sure firefox/librewolf is running perfectly with a ton of tabs open on my laptop, that has 8GB RAM.
I guess it’s running on cartoon logic and now that I know this, it won’t work anymore :/
I came from Brave, i’m not going back.
Is the text in the image sarcastic?
I read it not as sarcastic, but as carrying an implication that the Firefox leadership is intentionally tanking the browser - that their conscious active goal is to sink the ship, and that the drop is a result of malevolence rather than incompetence. And I suppose that would imply the person in the image believes Mozilla is being run by people who don’t want the browser to succeed.
Mitchell Baker was CEO a bunch, she has been at Mozilla since the very beginning.
It doesn’t make sense to me that she would be intentionally tanking Mozilla’s only successful product.
And even if she were, that’s Mozilla Corp. The Mozilla Foundation is outside that.
I haven’t really followed the leadership at all, nor have I always agreed with the anti-Mozilla stuff I see annoyingly often on Lemmy. So to be clear, I wasn’t agreeing with the linked post, just giving my interpretation of their intended meaning.
I appreciate the added context you gave. I don’t think I’ll ever understand how a website full of so many people who love free software can be one of the most anti-Firefox places I’ve encountered on the internet. It often feels disingenuous or astroturfed.
Thank you for clarifying!
Re: Moz hate;
I think people feel entitled to free stuff with no hooks at all. So when Moz tries to generate revenue within a capitalist society, they are worse than normal companies. Like they are breaking a promise to always be free and great. (Which they never made, their manifesto talks about making the internet accessible and equal for everyone)
Makes sense. If Google is paying to have competition in the market, they can’t allow them to outperform their own. Still, just a conspiracy theory
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