I dont want to live in this reality any more.
Serious question: if they are a myth, why the need to ban trans people from anything?
I hereby ban dragons from Starbucks! And the bank! And from driving! Muahaha, I’m so fucking evil!!
Their logic, such as it is, is that since trans people don’t exist, anybody in the “wrong” bathroom is there for nefarious reasons.
It’s false to anybody with a brain, because trans people do exist. In fact, even if you think gender dysphoria and trans identity are not how they’re commonly described, harsh punishments for using the “wrong” bathroom still don’t make sense, because the logical conclusion would be that those people are misguided or deluded, not predatory.
Still, it behooves us all to understand the emotional reasoning behind gender-segregated bathrooms: in most cultures (at least Western ones, but I think it goes further) there is a deep-seated idea that certain things are wrong if done in the presence of people of the other gender. Cultures with very different attitudes to nudity, for example, still have gender-segregated baths and saunas. I don’t think there’s any logical reason for this, but people (especially conservatives) feel the need to preserve it: the idea of gender-neutral bathrooms is crazy to them.
What, then, do you do with people who say their gender is other than what you, the dominant culture, say it is? Do you let them use the bathroom/shower/sauna they say they should? But then ANYONE could say their gender is different, and you wouldn’t have gender segregation at all! Oh no!
And actually, I agree with this. I think if you’re going to let people pick which bathroom they use according to their self-identification, gender segregated bathrooms are pointless, so we should get rid of them. Of course, this is not a popular view even among moderate left-wingers in Western countries, never mind Republicans, so we have this stupid culture war.
Agree. The fuck is wrong with a bathroom that has le gasp a urinal AND a toilet in one?!
Gender truly is a fuck.
When my college moved to gender-neutral bathrooms they took every urinal out. It was a 60% loss in places to pee. Gender aside, it was a stupid decision.
That’s The thing i was asking myself too.
Thank you very much for banning me. Now I can go finally touch grass and not read the Internet and fascist going ons.
Seriously dude (dudette? Non binary dragon??), don’t come back, because it’s a billion dollar fine and hundreds of years in horny jail
Is the wording in this really that trans people can’t use certain bathrooms, or that people must use the bathroom that aligns with their sex?
Trans people who’ve medically transitioned ARE using the restroom that aligns with their sex. Trans women are biologically female. Trans men are biologically male. And frankly, I’m tired of pretending otherwise.
What’s the difference?
One acknowledges the existence of trans people and the other doesn’t.
Both discriminate
Your question wasn’t about discrimination, it was about acknowledging the existence of trans people.
My question was obviously about discrimination. You are being deliberately obtuse.
I don’t feed trolls. Fuck off
if they are a myth, why the need to ban trans people from anything?
not about the acknowledging existence of trans people
Okay, buddy.
They probably don’t care about trans people existing, just blaming the smallest minority group for distraction until it doesn’t exist anymore, then going to the next bigger one.
Now why’d you have to go and ban me from everything? grrrr
I’m questioning more often why gendered restrooms even exist.
Remember when you could get in a car with your mother/wife/sister/girlfriend/daughter/neice/grandma/aunt and drive across the country and they’d have the same human rights from sea to shining sea and now they gain and lose basic human rights as they cross state borders?
Yeah, Republicans did that. They are traitors and the enemy of the American people.
So many headlines over the past year are things I remember seeing out of China and Russia over the past decade
Russian politicians claim the same thing about gays. I believe it was in Chechnya
If they are passing legislation for things they believe are a myth, then when is the anti-bigfoot legislation coming? What about Chupacabra leash laws? Vampire curfew? Ghost noise ordinances?
My point is, I guess, that people typically don’t pass laws against things they think aren’t real in the first place.
Actually that sounds right up a politicians alley. Can’t have Bigfoot protest cuz he’s not real.
what about the witches.
Witches are real.
They killed Charlie Kirk
I just wish I was allowed to live as an equal in peace as I feel fit to live.
I hope each of those who voted this way never is able to use a public restroom again
Honestly, as a trans woman that doesn’t pass, there’s fewer than ten states where I feel comfortable existing.
Give yourself credit for bravery, fortitude and resiliency. As a hetero white cis male, there are zero states I feel comfortable existing in.
Bravery doesn’t mean much when I just wanna exist without the federal government throwing its full weight against me, while riling up lone wolves and poisoning any sort of discussion and thought process among the public.
Respectfully disagree. It means everything. It is an unfair burden for you to bear, but your existence is a beacon of light for everyone who struggles with acceptance of diversity and seeks basic human rights. You are not alone.
Bear. Bare= without covering
I do have a question though, when did cis become an acronym, and what does it stand for now? When I was learning English, I had learned that it was a Latin root, to imply “on the same side of”, like “cisisochemic” or “cisatlantic,” and is the opposite of trans, or “on the opposite side of.”
At some point in the last few years, I’ve been seeing it capitalized in places, and I wonder why the switch? Unfortunately, when I look it up, I get a mismatched set of AI slop results and generated pages that say nothing coherent.
It can very well come from Latin. Trans can be translated as “above”, “beyond” or “across”. Cis can be translated as “within” or “inside”.
So someone who is Cisgender is “inside” their gender assigned at birth. Someone who is transgender is “beyond” their assigned gender at birth and now has a different gender.
Yeah, but my comment said that I understood that, but I was wondering when it became an acronym, and what does that acronym mean.
Trans is just the opposite of cis. Cis is someone comfortable in their AGAB and someone who is trans is not comfortable in thei AGAB.
I understand the meaning of it when it’s written in lowercase. I mean, I’m trans. Came out a decade and a half ago.
When I see it written in all capital letters, it’s an acronym, and I have no idea what that acronym means.
You have more patience than I, you were very clear above. I am not sure why some people capitalize it. I think it’s just a weird mistake that people think seems right because it doesn’t seem like “English”.
Cis isn’t an acronym. No one here has any idea what you’re talking about.
Ah, thats what you meant. I personally have never seen it being written with all capital letters.
“cis” gets written in all-caps because cis people are fucking stupid and don’t give a shit about learning the right terminology. that’s the gist of it
sometimes they think it’s an acronym that means “comfortable in skin”
When? Maybe just now because I made a boo boo.
No such thing as doesn’t pass. You tell me you’re a woman? Who the fuck am I to question what you feel in your bones? In the spirit of the republicans making shit up to disenfranchise, I hereby declare that you pass. As whatever the fuck you want, whenever the fuck you want to.
I will even print you a pass.
In Oregon, today, in a performing theater of all places, as I entered the vestibule of the women’s restroom, some old lady said “are you sure this is the men’s room? Wanna go check the sign once again?”
So that fucked with my whole day.
I thought I looked good, looked stylish. 13 years of HRT is not enough apparently.
There’s pictures of me on my userinfo page.
That picture of you is fucking stylish.
That is fucked up, and it’s absolutely shitty that you had to deal with that. My parents are the same sort of people. ( which is part of why I don’t talk to them).
You need to know: if it wasn’t this, they would still find a way to be cunts. Trans is seen as an easy target, particularly with the republicans in power. If it wasn’t this, there would be something.
This is the hard part: they want you to feel bad. It is their sole purpose in interacting with you. How you feel, only you have control over.
I tend to brutal rudeness when interacting with people like this, using language they don’t tolerate, and being personal about it.
That won’t work for everyone, and be mindful that law enforcement will back granny sour cunt over you, but be rude, be loud, embarrass them, because that’s what they are trying to do to you
I live in Idaho and guarantee this will be used by chucklefucks to not only harass trans people, but cis women who don’t fit their standard of beauty and effeminate cis men. Not that they don’t already, but now they can really fuck with someone by calling the cops and disrupting the person’s day rather than just snide comments.
“it’s the women’s, I’m a woman. Wanna go check it doesn’t read “brainless muppet” you rotten hag?”
I am far too polite for that. I’m the sort that stands off to the side of the sidewalk when a bunch of people are walking in the opposite direction, and in a line abreast, and I wait patiently for them to go past. I’m the kind of person that does a quick bow when someone holds the door for me. I’m the kind of person who takes as little space as possible, and tries to be mindful of the harmony needed for society to move along.
I don’t want to be toxically positive but
Girl you are an icon! I love your fashion postsfuck that lady
What should the law be, everyone can use any washroom they want essentially, kind of a libertarian style system that removes all restrictions?
Just one restroom. Stalls with urinals, stalls with toilets, floor to ceiling doors on all of them, and a communal sink area. Mox Boarding House has my perfect public restroom. Exactly like that.
When you have the space for it sure, but urinal stalls seem like an exorbitant luxury 99% of the time I need to pee. I’m fine with a wall-to-wall stainless steel trough.
To give Mox credit in exorbitant luxury in bathrooms, there is a crystal chandelier over the sink, and no I’m not joking.
(Context for people not in the PNW, Mox Boarding House is a board game and card shop with an attached restaurant.)
Why do you think we ever have different washrooms for men and women, what was their purpose for existing and how did they become so ubiquitous despite being an additional cost to businesses?
I don’t know, cis people are weird about that sort of thing. I just exist here.
I appreciate the thought here, but it’s absurd to argue that passing “doesn’t exist.” Fine if you want to say it doesn’t or shouldn’t matter. Or that it gets too much focus placed on it. But to pretend passing simply doesn’t exist? This is just gaslighting. Passing obviously does exist. It’s specific definition would be “having an appearance that the vast majority of randomly selected people would say most resembles a gender other than that assigned to a person at birth.” That’s an objective fact. We can’t just wish it away because it’s inconvenient.
If trans people are a myth then the law is made up.
My first thought! Okay they are a myth so what’s the point of your bill?
You legislating against Bigfoot?
No?
Washington has a law against hunting Bigfoot (but this is to keep people from shooting other people “accidentally” who may or may not be dressed as Bigfoot)
Would I be allowed to shoot people dressed as a deer?
“I thought that hairy, man-sized biped was a deer” is a lot less compelling as a legal defense.
Reading through the bill, they use the term “biological sex” without defining it
What amateurs are writing these laws? Not even defining terms? I get the vagueness of it is the point, but there are a lot of edge cases that will be in limbo from this
Can’t define something like that when they know it’s subjective.
AI, probably. Thats how they determined what grants to cut, after all.
How far away are we from gay people just being stoned to death in public in the US?
Like, October?
Trans people havent been stoned to death yet, so the gays still have some more time left.
If they’re a myth, why make a law against a supposed myth? Oh, it’s a talking point of you wanting to make them a myth. Republicans are a myth.
I appreciate the sarcasm, but their actual “thought process” (yes, that belongs in quotes) goes something like this:
- Real trans people don’t exist.
- Therefore, anyone claiming to be trans is either in need of mental healthcare to “fix” them, or else they are lying.
- If they are lying, then their attempt to use an opposite gender bathroom means they must be doing so for reasons that put other people in danger.
- In order to “protect” people from the lying liars, we need to make it illegal for someone to be in the “wrong” restroom.
To put it simply, because they don’t think trans people exist, a person using the wrong gendered bathroom is there to sexually assault people.
Because signs apparently stop rapists.
Which is weird, because people like them are statistically far more likely to commit sexual assault than trans people or drag Queens.
I guess it’s yet another example of right wing projection.
Exactly. And as we’ve already seen in some places, a passing trans person trying to use the “correct” bathroom according to law is more likely to get harassed or even assaulted as a result. These laws don’t fix an actual problem, they just create an environment where innocent people will be punished for the crime of existing in a public space.
Well, that’s the explanation they give publicly. In reality, they just want to hurt and oppress people.
Some do, probably, yes. Some actually believe in this chain of “logic”. Those people really do believe that trans people are a threat to the safety of others. Odds are good those people have never talked to, or possibly even met, a trans person.
Intelligence in Republicans is a Myth.
IDK about y’all, but in that scenario, I’d just shoot the cop.
Dead cops can’t arrest anyone, trans or not.
We could compromise! Abolish the police. No one gets hurt that way!
I don’t think “no one gets hurt” is an option in a state where Nazis have taken aim at a bloc of people.
These fucking fascists want to play with fire. They shouldn’t expect to escape unburned.
And murderers magically vanish I suppose?
If the police prevented murder no one would get arrested for it :)
False dichotomy. Police prevents some murder, which is worse than preventing all of it but a lot better than preventing none of it.
Incorrect. The police commit more murders than they prevent. Have a day.
Where’s your source?
I could see the vigilante justice response to this would be the theft of gender labeled bathroom signs. It then becomes a 50/50 gamble whether any human that needs to empty their bladder goes to prison for 5 years. Even just opening the door to see if there are urinals or stalls-only should run afoul of this law. Bonus points for activists following lawmakers that voted for this when the lawmaker needs to use a bathroom in an unfamiliar place.
The vigilante move is to protect your trans homies by taking out the cop who is trying to arrest someone for being fuckin trans.
Another reason to avoid Idaho.
Not that I needed one.
