I swear, they like to live in a news studio-level brightness. Its all overhead lighting and bright, cool light at night
Absolute sensory hell for me.
Straw poll: which looks better?
Theyre both too brightly lit imo but the warm is definitey nicer. I want to escape any room place lit like the right
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Now, imagine its like the cool white, but its even brighter and o’erhead💀
Skeleton’s be cool white…
It’s not terrible lighting. It’s lighting that suits us instead of you.
Do you reject the newsroom characterization?
I’ve never been in a newsroom so don’t have the information to answer that.
They are bright and the opposite of claustrophic as fuck, like being in an open savannah
Oh yeah. My son put those in his house. It almost hurts my eyes to be in there.
Almost like as you get older, your low light vision worsens dramatically.
Kinda makes sense, altho I wonder if they also just dont notice or feel the impulse that they can just change whatever the default lighting situation is also
Pupils dilate in darker lighting, the bigger the aperture, the narrower the depth of field get. if you have old eyes that aren’t as good at focusing anymore, narrowing the aperture will cheat that and allow sharper focus, but you need more light to do it.
You can see this if you have an old SLR camera with DOF preview, and focus on a scene with object both close and far. As you close down the aperture (move it to a higher number say 2->16), you’ll see more and more of the scene simultaneously in focus, but it will also get darker and darker.
That’s why old people make rooms brighter. It’s easier on their eyes if they wish to see things in focus.
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Actually, my one eye nearsighted and i noticed if I physically focus it by using my fingers to create a smaller “aperture”, i can actually see farther with the nearsighted one!
Go find some cheap pinhole glasses. They really demonstrate how vision is not just a mechanical thing.
Nice, squinting does a similar thing with your eyelids.
Ya that too, thats probably closer to what I mean actually
As one ages, their eyesight gets worse. Lots of light helps. In the warm light I wouldn’t be able to read anything, knit, do crosswords or a whole number of activities. I’d still need to sit on the end of the sofa with the lamp in the cool light one to do much. The real annoyance? I still have 20/20 vision but I feel that I can’t see half of what I could when I was younger.
20/20 vison but lower acuity of when younger
Thats insane, my vision is emphatically not 20/20 but since an eaye is nearsighted, i think it helps improve my low light reading somehow. I dunno, !RemindMe 10 years haha
Well, you’ve got some iffy assumptions in place, but that’s whatever.
When it comes to lighting, in home, you’re limited by the home itself unless you have the ability/finances to change things at a useful scale.
So, older homes tend to have older lighting installations. Back in the day, the big thing was fluorescent lighting. Some compact, some the full on tubes and rings. A lot of old folks now are just sticking with what was the dominant technology at the time they had the ability to pick how they lit their homes, or bought them.
Since vision does weaken over a lifetime, more intense lighting is helpful.
Here’s the thing though. Back in the day, I always wondered why so many old folks had such dim and poorly spread lighting. It was the same reason. Their homes were structured around incandescent bulbs and lamps. So there was little choice in spectrum, and your light sources weren’t going to fill the space well.
Right now, LED lighting and better spreads are the norm for new installs and remodeling. And folks are more willing to shell out for expensive bulbs that allow for changing the spectrum, so you’ll run into that as the default for old folks here in maybe twenty years.
My house is old as fuck. Built back before anyone currently alive had been born yet. Then partially rebuilt in the seventies, with a partial remodel in the late nineties.
You can tell by walking through the house what lighting was popular at the times involved because the oldest parts have a single fixture in the center of the ceiling, and fuck you if you want a better layout lol. The seventies era bits have some retrofit fluorescent fixtures that are essentially just a different spectrum with similar placements.
But the nineties era parts are better lit, with fixtures placed to give an even light with less/no harsh spots.
Now, I’ve replaced the incandescent bulbs with LEDs, and they had been compact fluorescent bulbs before that. But there’s no way in hell I would spend the amount of money it would take to light the house better on lighting. There’s other shit way higher in priority when I can just screw in a higher power bulb and see okay. And, once “old” turns into old, as in stuck on social security/pension fixed income old, remodels tend not to be a useful outlay for lighting. You’d be going after bathroom and kitchen accessibility fixes instead.
I had to replace the fixture in the kitchen maybe two years ago, the old one having aged into decrepitude beyond the ability to cut on. I barely got the job done. So, fixed income and unable to do the work one’s self means shit just stays as it is. I would have loved to put in better fixtures, better quality lighting, but all I could manage was a new thing to screw a bulb into. And I’m only “old”, not old. Middle aged still, but with limitations akin to that of proper senior citizens.
For real, if this house had been updated twenty years ago, we’d have likely been plopping in big fluorescents overhead too, like was the default at that time.
Would you actually use the fluorescent? I would just ignore or take them out and get lamps. Its really crappy light except for waking up in my opinion. I also feel like its not good for my mind, like it is thoroughly and constitutionally offensive to me
Yeah, fluorescent is good at filling up space with light. It’s the tube factor. It emits the light better overall (even compact fluorescent screw ins are a little better than incandescent because the actual light emitting part is at the surface kinda).
It’s actually really good in a space where you need even lighting rather than good lighting. Works spaces, like in a shop or kitchen, you want less shadows and more coverage, even if it’s in that wonky blue that fluorescents have. If you’re stuck with a single overhead, fluorescent is just better than incandescent, and can have advantages over LED or halogen. Sure, you’d want to supplement with a surface based directional source, but that’s way easier than trying to light with lamps only
I wish such light could be a bit less agressive tho, like even if it could be shaded slightly pink or rose-goldey, that would be a bit nicer even for those spaces that need to be well-lit
Like soft pink
If being highly offended by other people’s lights is a problem to you, you must have it good. Not everyone can afford new lights, there’s implications like needing an electrician or even new infrastructure, some people might not like changing for sustainability reasons.
Let it go, let it go…trying singing it.
Has nothing todo with expensive fixtures, anyone can get lamps
I’ve noticed as I age that I can’t read things in low light anymore. For reading small print or seeing small details I need rhe equivalent of indoor daylight. At night, in a room lit with a single light fixture, that means more light.
But warm light, that harsh blue shit can fuck right off.
We put these full spectrum grow bulbs in our lamps because they have a yellow LED to make the white LEDs closer to really daylight look. SANSI Daylight LED Grow Light… https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07S2P69VC
I really dont get the appeal. Prison lighting
Kitchen/utility/work spaces -> bright cool light
Living room/relaxation spaces -> warm light
Mixed use -> bright cool ceiling light with standing warm light lamps.
Generally speaking…
In utilitarian areas, warm/cold light is less important than light with a high color rendering index.
When I got my first flashlight with a high CRI light source, I was amazed at how much of a difference it made, it makes everything far more visible.
Any examples of bulbs?
Not really, I just look for markings on the box when buying them.
They tend to be marked with either HI CRI or HIGH CRI.
Older people or just people? What is older to you, 35, 40?
Im 54 and dont have any shitty lighting like you show in your picture. Maybe go touch grass before exclaiming things about “old” people.
I see younger people doing the same.
It’s not an age thing necessarily.
I’d also argue someone older is more likely to have better lighting due to:
Experience
Time to learn
Exposure
Available time
Money
all of these answers are fine. but they are all wrong.
older people have been buying lightbulbs for many years and all they had to know was the brightness that they wanted. now that led has fully arrived, there are color temp questions to be answered that were not asked before. older people do not know the answer to this question and just buy for brightness.
also, my mom swears that she likes and can see better with ugly ass 6000k lights everywhere and i feel like im at the grocery store when i go to my parents’ house.
my mom swears that she likes and can see better with
This right here, for some older people, the “warm” light is not bright enough to see correctly. I still prefer to have almost no light at 50 but neither of my parents could cope with it as they would be effectively blind, I can still make stuff out.
the thing is, bright is bright and cooler is cooler. warm can be bright and cool can be dim.
Dim cool is easier to read with than bright warm, for aging folks, due to contrast difference.
For your consideration: Warm orange
Black is the new orange?
Hey, my black light isn’t even in frame
Thats the good shit
Because it lets us see better.
This is the most compelling rationale I think. Besides being rather young, I think my vision is weirdly adapted to even low lighting reading
THANK YOU. Always think this! Shadows are not a bad thing, it’s okay to have darker corners! It’s not only the brightness either. For everyone saying “we need it brighter”, I have both neighbors and elderly family who use single fluorescent lights to putter around their homes. They have VERY dark homes, just one giant harsh spotlight that shows their one area and then surrounded by dark all around their house.
We have several lamps and warm lights scattered through the house, it’s very bright but also never feels like you’re in an office or a garage. A simple warm light in the corner can make it feel brighter without needing hundreds of lumens from directly above.
You think you want daylight. You don’t. You want warm more natural lighting.
It’s easier to read and eat in a bright room and LEDs make it cheap and easy. Older homes were designed for incandescent so the way 7W LED bulbs light up a room compared to a 40~100 W incandescent is way different, though the color temperature is pretty good now, if you select well.
I honestly dont get using overhead light fixtures tho, like the moment someone “turns on the lights” for a room (that comes from the ceiling), I’m like eeeeeeeeek! Turn it off!
Why not lamps with shades to indirectly light? It easier on the eyes and its more “at ease” I find
Overhead gives you the most coverage.
Right but its unnerving, its like having a spotlight on you cept its the whole room
Warm white is always better in a home situation.
Left is better for night time, right is better for daytime. Aggressive overhead lighting is the devil though, you’re right there.
