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            Contender? He should’ve been the president in 2016. Democrats had to fuck that up. Trump won mostly because people hated Hilary.

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              Hilary won the popular vote by almost 3 million because most people liked her.

              She lost the electoral college vote because of a few really close states.

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                Yeah, against a playboy who didn’t have any political experience or acumen whatsoever. This should’ve been a landslide victory for dems. I stand by what I said, Trump won because it was Hilary he was up against. If it were Bernie, Trump wouldn’t have had a chance.

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                  Even my dad, a blue collar welder in his late 60s, was totally on the Bernie train in 2016. If that doesn’t tell you anything about how Bernie could have done, I don’t know what will.

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                    I have talked to several Trump voters that love Bernie. I mean it shows that they don’t pay any attention to policy or reality even, but I think it shows that Bernie would have won.

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                A few states that were really close because her campaign was up against a social-media heavy campaign that weaponized misinformation, and didn’t know how to respond.

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                She lost the electoral college because she rigged the primary.

                In retrospect the margin was so thin that if she’d only modestly pissed off Sanders voters she would have won.

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              Nah, Hilary was a fine choice despite her own personal and political issues. Despite not preferring her, I am rather confident that she would have not made a bad President. Perhaps not a good one, just also not a bad one.

              Fucking shame what happened. Oi, Chaps! I say we bloody up this wanker with a side o’ voting!

              Sorry, channeling my stereotypical inner mocking British man.

              Edit: I stand by what I said unless given compelling reasons to not do so. Maybe I’m remembering things incorrectly. It’s been awhile. Make a case, don’t care if it’s a legitimate link. I’m happy to do a learn.

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              He wasn’t a Democratic Party member in 2016. He caucused and partnership with them but if he’s not going to be in the party, nobody should be surprised that he’s not the parties pick or preference. He didn’t officially join them until 2019. The circumstances might not have worked but be real the Democrats didn’t fuck it up in 2016.

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        I think everyone who had their name pushed and could have a chance at the convention has already endorsed Kamala Harris. They’re pretty obviously trying to avoid a contentious convention.

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          That seems to be the goal. I think it’s a good idea to not go too hard on Harris until the convention, but the excitement seems there.

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        I still really want AOC but with Whitmer bowing out I think Buttigiege is probably it.

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          Harris is a black woman. No way they’re picking a gay man as her running mate. They’re worried she has too much for the (X)phobic crowd on her own. I would be absolutely shocked if whoever they pick as her VP isn’t a straight white man. You can say what you like about it but that’s the reality of where we are as a nation.

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            The kind of people who would not vote for Harris because she’s a Black woman were already going to vote for Trump.

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              There are absolutely people who are not concerned enough with race or gender to vote for a black woman but are still homophobic. Who knows how many people that is but I would bet a lot of money that the DNC has no intention of finding out.

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          How would you know??? I bet it did!

          COVID, my ass, Biden been drinking from the fountain of youth. Any day now, he’ll become unborn and lay in stasis until ready to be birthed for his next presidential run in 2077 during which he’ll battle Mecha-Reagan!

          If you don’t believe me, ask my neighbor’s dog. They’re the one who told me all this. Crafty damn dog…