Yeah, against a playboy who didn’t have any political experience or acumen whatsoever. This should’ve been a landslide victory for dems. I stand by what I said, Trump won because it was Hilary he was up against. If it were Bernie, Trump wouldn’t have had a chance.
Even my dad, a blue collar welder in his late 60s, was totally on the Bernie train in 2016. If that doesn’t tell you anything about how Bernie could have done, I don’t know what will.
I have talked to several Trump voters that love Bernie. I mean it shows that they don’t pay any attention to policy or reality even, but I think it shows that Bernie would have won.
A few states that were really close because her campaign was up against a social-media heavy campaign that weaponized misinformation, and didn’t know how to respond.
Nah, Hilary was a fine choice despite her own personal and political issues. Despite not preferring her, I am rather confident that she would have not made a bad President. Perhaps not a good one, just also not a bad one.
Fucking shame what happened. Oi, Chaps! I say we bloody up this wanker with a side o’ voting!
Sorry, channeling my stereotypical inner mocking British man.
Edit: I stand by what I said unless given compelling reasons to not do so. Maybe I’m remembering things incorrectly. It’s been awhile. Make a case, don’t care if it’s a legitimate link. I’m happy to do a learn.
He wasn’t a Democratic Party member in 2016. He caucused and partnership with them but if he’s not going to be in the party, nobody should be surprised that he’s not the parties pick or preference. He didn’t officially join them until 2019. The circumstances might not have worked but be real the Democrats didn’t fuck it up in 2016.
Trump was an “unknown” in 2016… he has since made his stance painfully obvious. I think a lot more people are going to be willing to pinch their nose and vote for VP Harris.
At the time, people only knew Trump was a misogynist, racist grifter. So, he was just a normal conservative. He also claimed to hate the government, so conservatives voted for him.
They didn’t really get to know what a profoundly depraved sack of shit he was until he was president, at which point conservatives fell in love with him for being just like them. He truly is their most accurate representative.
Contender? He should’ve been the president in 2016. Democrats had to fuck that up. Trump won mostly because people hated Hilary.
Hilary won the popular vote by almost 3 million because most people liked her.
She lost the electoral college vote because of a few really close states.
Yeah, against a playboy who didn’t have any political experience or acumen whatsoever. This should’ve been a landslide victory for dems. I stand by what I said, Trump won because it was Hilary he was up against. If it were Bernie, Trump wouldn’t have had a chance.
Even my dad, a blue collar welder in his late 60s, was totally on the Bernie train in 2016. If that doesn’t tell you anything about how Bernie could have done, I don’t know what will.
I have talked to several Trump voters that love Bernie. I mean it shows that they don’t pay any attention to policy or reality even, but I think it shows that Bernie would have won.
The funny part is he wasn’t even a Trump voter, he’s really liberal for his upbringing and occupation; he was happy with Obama in 2008 too.
Just because she won the popular vote, doesn’t mean everyone was happy to vote for her either
Same for Trump…
A few states that were really close because her campaign was up against a social-media heavy campaign that weaponized misinformation, and didn’t know how to respond.
She lost the electoral college because she rigged the primary.
In retrospect the margin was so thin that if she’d only modestly pissed off Sanders voters she would have won.
Nah, Hilary was a fine choice despite her own personal and political issues. Despite not preferring her, I am rather confident that she would have not made a bad President. Perhaps not a good one, just also not a bad one.
Fucking shame what happened. Oi, Chaps! I say we bloody up this wanker with a side o’ voting!
Sorry, channeling my stereotypical inner mocking British man.
Edit: I stand by what I said unless given compelling reasons to not do so. Maybe I’m remembering things incorrectly. It’s been awhile. Make a case, don’t care if it’s a legitimate link. I’m happy to do a learn.
Indeed! That’s why I said excellent contender. Because he would have beaten Trump easily.
He wasn’t a Democratic Party member in 2016. He caucused and partnership with them but if he’s not going to be in the party, nobody should be surprised that he’s not the parties pick or preference. He didn’t officially join them until 2019. The circumstances might not have worked but be real the Democrats didn’t fuck it up in 2016.
It’s not like people like Kamala either
Trump was an “unknown” in 2016… he has since made his stance painfully obvious. I think a lot more people are going to be willing to pinch their nose and vote for VP Harris.
At least I hope so…
That’s a wild definition of “unknown”
At the time, people only knew Trump was a misogynist, racist grifter. So, he was just a normal conservative. He also claimed to hate the government, so conservatives voted for him.
They didn’t really get to know what a profoundly depraved sack of shit he was until he was president, at which point conservatives fell in love with him for being just like them. He truly is their most accurate representative.
I’m using the quotations as air quotes… but yes, you’re not wrong.
I’ve grown to like her more in the last 24 hours as I read more about her actions through the last couple years.
Sigh. Try reading about her last twenty years, not the last 3.
Nah, more recent actions matter more
The recent actions when she really had no power but ingratiated herself even deeper into tptb?
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