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Are we talking about Hillary the Drone strike Julian Assange, Clinton here? “Genocide Joe” is absolutely fucking nothing compared to her.
Holy fuck, didn’t know 😶
Things could be different but they’re not
Hillary would have done the same thing as Biden on Israel
Democrats have failed to fix all the insane crap Regean did because the DNC learned about how much money they were missing out on
I still maintain Bernie should run independent. The DNC ensures he will never win the primary, and it was proven by the email leak back in 2016 which is why no one voted for Hillary.
In a first-past-the-post system, an independent only ends up stealing votes from the mainstream candidate that’s closest to their position. He’d undermine the Democratic candidate, making a Republican win more likely. He’s smart enough not to want to do that.
Maybe we could find a 50 yo with Bernie’s values and he could be on their cabinet. Idgaf about vibes, but maybe we could put someone in that’s not on deaths door?
I think you all have a delusionally inflated opinion of both Bernie Sanders and progressive politics as a whole.
Bernie is a self described socialist. He lost in the primaries to middling candidates in both 2016 and 2020. He in particular has dismal performance among women over 30 and black people as a whole.
The progressive movement as a whole is even worse. At least Bernie makes an attempt to win hearts and minds. Progressives are obsessed with insane purity tests and horrible messaging that alienates everyone who doesn’t already agree with them.
Look at this tweet. The whole “anyone remotely to the right of me on Israel/Palestine is morally repugnant” stuff works in echo chambers, but would get you absolutely rocked in an election.
(Woman over 30 here) I caucused for Bernie in Nevada in 2020, and he won the state my dude. He also won Iowa, New Hampshire, California, and Colorado before dropping out. Where do you think our love for Bernie is “over inflated”? He had support amongst the people.
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This post isn’t going to be popular on Lemmy but it is extremely accurate.
Once people started learning more about Bernie, they would more than likely be a supporter.
https://twitter.com/kendrick38/status/1233214590588248069
Biden has the support of 31 percent of black Democratic primary voters, while Sanders captures the backing of 29 percent. Aggregated data from 2019 shows that Biden led Sanders among these voters by as much as 30 percentage points in NBC News/WSJ national polls last year.
Who are you replying to?
We’re still doing ‘I don’t like his vibes’.
I mean yeah that’s true but it’s not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine.
If anything he is gonna be even more pro-israel because it’s a white supremacist colony.
I’m actually surprised we haven’t heard Trump talking about nuking Gaza yet.
it’s not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine
Trump loves Netanyahu for doing in Israel what he wants to do in the US.
Biden loves Israel because he’s bought all the Only Liberal Democracy In The Middle East propaganda they’ve been spewing for decades.
But if you’re a college student getting your head cracked by a SWAT team storming the Columbia campus, Biden is the one asking for your vote. Trump is asking for the SWAT guy’s vote.
And that’s why Trump is going to win. The SWAT guy is going to turn out for Trump while the protester spends the day in the ER.
I didn’t like her purchase and manipulation of the Democrat party, and abrogating the democratic process in denying the people their choice of Bernie Sanders.
But hey, let’s not quibble about words.
Yeah, from my perspective, it failed long before that. The Democrats couldn’t achieve their true objective if they had allowed Bernie to be elected, which was to give the illusion of a better option while ensuring that the status quo isn’t affected where it relates to power and wealth.
Bernie was blocked for the same reason Biden isn’t trying to block Israel from destroying Palestine.
And now we have a convicted felon poised to be dictator.
The democrats don’t care, as long as they don’t offend their base. And then doing any sort of legit challenge/change/effort, would offend that base.
The average democratic voter is incredibly complacent and happy with the status quo in this country.
They don’t really care too much about their base. It’s really their donors and themselves that they care about. The donors and the important people in the democratic party are very rich, so a Trump dictatorship would merely be an inconvenience and embarrassment to them. If it really got bad they’d move to another country and try to gain support as the legitimate government in exile.
Such a wide open door to walk through, and our broken incestuous Democrat party couldn’t get their shit together enough to run a candidate who can talk.
DON’T BLAME THE VOTERS.
Well, those voters shouldn’t have been such fucking short sighted morons then.
Voters? How about the Democratic party? You’re telling me there isn’t a compelling candidate in the entire fucking United States of America?
There aren’t any that corporations can get behind.
I still blame Nader for splitting the Democratic ticket in the 2000 election, causing America to be handed over to George W Bush.
Not the supreme court?
Lots of blame to spread around that year.
Remove any one of the factors and we likely get a different result.
If from 2 choices 1 means the death of democracy, the democracy is already dead. That was already true back then. I hate this post because I completly bushes over that fact and is only there to guilt trip people who want real change outside the 2 party system.
It’s more like it’s in a coma right now. It’s not responding to stimulus, but there are signs of life. Theoretically if democrats win decisively, the Republican party could be forced to move to the center to become electable again.
But, if the Republicans win, it could be the end of democracy in the US. The Republicans know the odds of their winning another free and fair election are near zero, so their best bet to stay in power is to make sure they don’t have to face any more free and fair elections.
Despite all the chaos, despite the Republicans attempting to kill the democratic process, the Biden administration has actually managed quite a few meaningful and positive things. He’s not a very inspiring option as “leader of the free world”, but as someone who sits at the head of the table and delegates things out, his record is pretty good. But, it’s pretty damning that the system has Americans choosing between a criminal fascist, and an old man who probably won’t last 4 years.
Vote D, and also do your v-for-vendetta shenanigans. No reason not to do both if you’re all in.
In 2016 I voted Trump. In fact before that election I mostly voted republicanish except in some cases.
You have to remember in 2016 that Hillary was deeply unlikeable, and I believe her email scandal should have put her in way more trouble than it actually did. Her platform at the time was that you should vote for her because then she would be the first woman president! The country needed something else.
Hillary was not the answer and it was the DNC’s inability to read the room that lost them the election.
I fucking love Bernie but he wasn’t the right guy either. He sticks to his ideals which is a fantastic quality but doesn’t win general elections, which realistically needs people who are more center aligned.
I regret my Trump vote and will never repeat that mistake but it’s hard to know where we’d be had it been that Hillary shyster.
This is either insane revisionism or this person is and was totally oblivious to messaging that may have contradicted their predetermined conclusion. Hillary Clinton had many many issues, but she absolutely had a very detailed and solid platform. The fact that certain elements of our society chose to only pay attention to her having a vagina is irrelevant to whether she actually had, maintained, and tried to advocate an actual platform. And the idea of voting for Trump but “loving” Sanders is like the perfect encapsulation of how utterly fucking dumb “independents” actually are in this country. Jfc
Voted for Trump but loves Bernie?
Please help me square the circle here.
My mother did the same. Her reasoning could be summarized as “how bad could it be?”. It turns out that, when placing a narcissistic con man in the highest office in the nation, the answer was pretty fucking bad.
Bernie plays as outside the establishment, Trump was also very much outside the establishment.
Sure, and they both drink water.
But one is outside the norm making things much worse while the other wants to make them much better.
They’re opposites in my mind.
Hillary was unlikeable because she was a woman who wasn’t submissive. Sexist people hate that. Everyone who ever met her loves her. The only unlikable thing is her unwillingness to take bullshit. Hillary was in-line to win by a landslide “unlikeable” or not. It took the media buying into a lie and Comey making misleading statements about her being under investigation (with no actual crimes suspected) a week before the election for Trump to win by the tightest margin ever.
The DNC is the party who notoriously dropkicks people on the merest whiff of impropriety. And here we had a fabricated criminal controversy. We played right into Trump’s hands.
…just food for thought. Ever notice how we Americans seem to remember VIRTUALLY EVERY Democratic presidential candidate in a bad light over some sort non-substantial reason or another like “unlikeable” or “tried too hard” or “claimed to invent the internet” or “was a douchebag”? Ever notice how older Democrats still somehow remember RONALD FUCKING REAGAN as the best president of their lives?
The Republicans bought the propaganda machine when Nixon lost. It’s all a goddamn lie.
Hillary was unlikeable because she was a woman who wasn’t submissive. Sexist people hate that. Everyone who ever met her loves her.
I mean, that’s just validating her own reasoning on why she lost the election. She didn’t win because she was arrogant, and decided she didn’t have to campaign in Michigan.
People also didn’t like the fact that she and the DNC colluded together to torpedo Sander’s primary at any given chance.
I personally don’t like her because of what the Clinton’s have done to the DNC over the last 2 decades, particularly their championing of 3rd way politics.
Offhandedly blaming every valid criticism as Republican propaganda does nothing but drive people away. Hillary Clinton was obviously a bad candidate, this is self evident in the fact that she lost to a conman.
It’s not the job of the DNC to blame voters for not voting for their chosen candidate, it’s their job to give us candidates that we want to vote for.
People also didn’t like the fact that she and the DNC colluded together to torpedo Sander’s primary at any given chance
And she didn’t. People keep repeating this, but it’s not a fact. The DNC started transitioning over to Hillary after Bernie already had statistically ZERO chance but before he formally resigned. A bunch of people (including Bernie) got pissed about that, but not only is it not unheard-of, it’s downright sensible when Bernie wasn’t even planning to run on the Democratic ticket no matter what happened.
As I keep saying elsewhere. It’s really weird that everyone seems to hate Democrats who run for president more than Republicans who run for President, but for reasons they can never quite pin down to anything related to facts.
I personally don’t like her because of what the Clinton’s have done to the DNC over the last 2 decades, particularly their championing of 3rd way politics.
Bill was a moderate. Yeah, I know. Hillary was further to the left than her husband. Should we have given Trump the 2016 presidency because Hillary was married to a moderate?
Offhandedly blaming every valid criticism as Republican propaganda does nothing but drive people away
“Offhandedly blaming 9/11 on the Taliban does nothing but drive people away”. There’s no question 2016 was Republican propaganda and Hillary. I ABSOLUTELY have valid criticisms about the Democratic party. But that doesn’t mean every stupid criticism should be taken as valid. The Republicans have gotten REALLY good at the propaganda game.
Hillary Clinton was obviously a bad candidate, this is self evident in the fact that she lost to a conman.
As “unpopular” as Hillary was, she was sladed to crush her by historic margins before you account for the Russian hacking scandal. You can disagree with me on that all you want, but if you DON’T get oppositionally defiant on that fact, then you can make no negative statements about her in good faith out of the 2016 election results.
It’s not the job of the DNC to blame voters for not voting for their chosen candidate, it’s their job to give us candidates that we want to vote for
Normally I would agree with you. 2016 was different. If Charles Manson ran for President and won, it’s the voters faults. NOBODY who did the least bit of research wasn’t shitting their pants on election day 2016.
“Sleep now in the fire.” And because we can’t fucking learn our lessons and we STILL blame the perfectly viable Hillary Clinton, we are indeed sleeping in the fire that Zack de la Rocha warned us about.
I love Bernie and what he stands for, and I did vote for him. I can sympathize with the hard choices we are all having to make of late.
No, no, I was assured Hillary Clinton was Basically The Same as Trump and Both Sides Were Bad.
Homer Simpson meme “Democracies all around the world!”
If Trump wins, the US will likely conduct an isolationist policy on the way forward, creating a power vacuum on the world stage, which will be likely filled in the likes of Russia and China, but that’ll be the good impe… sorry, the good great power protecting smaller nations!
but that’ll be the good impe… sorry, the good great power protecting smaller nations!
If Trump is elected, he will enthusiastically pivot to more militant anti-China policy.
He’s close friends with Duterte and Marcos in the Philippines, and with the Parks in Korea. He’s popular among Australian white nationalists. And he’s the favorite of the Falun Gong and the Taiwanese ultra-nationalists.
Four years of Trump will almost certainly see us curtail trade with China and send more naval assets into the South China Sea.
“Keep quiet or Ill turn this democracy around, so help me God!”
The DNC signed it’s death warrant with that one. Bernie got screwed. We got Trump. The Supreme Court just handed Trump ultimate supreme dictator status. We all know Biden doesn’t have the balls to do anything about it and he certainly isn’t going to win the election.
As long as the R’s can get 40 seats in the Senate this fall the great experiment finally fails.
One thing you got wrong is that Bernie got screwed. He got demolished by Clinton, by 12% points and millions of votes. It wasn’t even close. Democrats wanted Clinton, and the major complaints about the DNC during the primary was that they said nasty things about him in an email and gave her some debate questions. That’s it. It made no difference in the outcome.
Am I the only one that remember wieserman-sholtz getting successfully sued over that? I swear this country has the memory of an 81 year old president.
What are you referring to, exactly?
Only after the rest of the moderate candidates were convinced to drop out before the debate and voting… Sanders would have likely won the primaries if there were more moderates on the ticket to split the vote.
So you’re saying because the winner was someone more representative of who the average Democrat voted, sanders got screwed.
No, I’m saying that the DNC has the responsibility to remain impartial, and when it doesn’t, it’s not surprising that the candidate they decide deserves to be president loses.
They didn’t decide. The people voted for Clinton and then Biden, overwhelmingly. Because that’s the type of candidate they believe they want. Remember, sanders didnt drop out, he lost. Overwhelmingly so.
Because that’s the type of candidate they believe they want.
Guessing you’ve never heard of the term “manufacturing consent”?
Are you pretending that’s been your argument up to this point?
Btw, why didn’t you point out that both of them backtracked the comments?
The DNC signed it’s death warrant with that one.
Bernie refused to join the DNC. He was doing his usual pump&dump dirty pool of winning a Primary and refusing the nomination so that the Democrats wouldn’t be able to run anyone in the general.
Bernie got screwed
…because he couldn’t get as many votes. None of that superdelegate bullshit people are talking about came to pass. He just wasn’t popular enough among a party he refused to be a member of. Go figure.
What new decision did SCOTUS make?
Absolute immunity for all official acts by a president, whether technically within their power or not. It’s now possible Trump cannot be held accountable for his attempted coup because he did it as the sitting president - because SCOTUS implied it’s Constitutional for him to attempt to overthrow the government.
So… People tell me an election year is no time to talk about electoral reform. Every US election year. But! After the election, they scurry away under the refrigerator and stay there for 4 years. I know you have to hold your nose while you vote this time, but catch these weird centrists before they disappear and hold their feet to the fire to influence change. You deserve better than this “I’m not voting for _, I’m voting against _” nonsense. Your government is hurting all of us. Stop it, please.
Who has told you not to talk about electoral reform in an election year? I’ve never heard that.
On top of that, there are plenty of people who are working to change our election system the whole time. The problem is the “I hate the two party system!” People by and large just vote every few years. I work with some locally that are trying to change things from the ground up.
Ugh, Facebook people, mostly. And thank you for being the change you want to see in the world.
