Both Trump and his “border czar,” Tom Homan, have said California officials could face arrest if they’re perceived as impeding ICE operations.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom pushed back against threats of arrest by Trump administration officials, remaining defiant as he oversees clashes between law enforcement agents and protesters in response to immigration raids across Los Angeles while also managing an ongoing power struggle with the federal government.
In an interview for MSNBC with NBC News’ Jacob Soboroff, Newsom called Homan’s bluff, urging him to “just get it over with” and move ahead with the arrest.
“He’s a tough guy. Why doesn’t he do that? He knows where to find me,” Newsom said. “That kind of bloviating is exhausting. So, Tom, arrest me. Let’s go."
How exactly is Newsome impeding ICE?
They’re talking about arresting teachers for protecting their kids. They are not talking about Newsome cuz he’s sueing the government. But yeah, go and make this issue about your ego and presidential run bud.
He’s not impeding anything, but Republicans love manufacturing an alternate reality that justifies their violent thugishness.
One guy who’s actively defying this orange turd and all the fucking tankies on here would rather shit on Gavin because he’s not the perfect online liberal like they are.
You people are the fucking problem right now.
The American left is engaged in a slow and unconscious suicide. Meanwhile, conservatives are fucking evil as fuck.
He’s thrown vulnerable people under the bus and has no principles other than what he thinks will help his career. Yeah, he’s doing the right thing here, but let’s not pretend he’s good because he’s doing the bare minimum
We can work with him while recognizing he’s not a true ally
When someone is cooking a good meal, even if they are generally bad at cooking, shut up and let them cook.
Fucking this.
Furthermore, when people won’t even cook at all (online leftists who do fucking nothing but complain), they have no space to complain when someone is doing any cooking.
Only the sith deal in absolutes. Idealism is for idealists, aka tools. We are flawed beings, living in a flawed world, we have to deal with flaws. Nothing and nobody will ever be perfect for anything and everyone, that’s not a good reason to let fascists have their way. We can work out the details after the revolution.
‘The Left’ isn’t going to do shit in their ‘revolution’ except talk about it online.
They don’t show up to anything.
Yeah, that’s why there are so many protests going on right now with people being arrested for confronting and resisting the current administration, because leftists never do anything, right?
Yeah I see tons of actual people protesting, not the terminally online Leftists here.
Regular people are fighting, not the tankies ;)
Idealism is for idealists, aka tools. We are flawed beings, living in a flawed world, we have to deal with flaws. Nothing and nobody will ever be perfect for anything and everyone,
These are just your ideals, dum dum.
How is that a false standard of beauty, perfection, or excellence?
Idealism uses a different definition for ideals than you are here, dum dum.
Exactly. I’m so tired of watching the left destroy themselves from the inside. Progress is slow. The right are clearly masters of playing the long game, they’ve been building to current events for decades. They’re happy to take the 10% wins bit by bit. They’re happy to make sacrifices for their progress.
Meanwhile the left demands nothing but perfection, and constantly cannibalises itself for not being perfect and revolutionising the world day 1.
You don’t have to suddenly love the guy, rewrite history, or swear loyalty. You just have to know when someone’s actually helping and not get in the way.
The right wins because they fight together. Business conservatives, evangelicals, fascists, libertarians. They might hate each other behind the scenes, but they march in line, and they’ll eat burnt toast with a smile if it gets them closer to running the kitchen.
A rational and situational understanding of the situation gets a lot of spears thrown at you, a lot of people claim left or right, I think for the most part the ones demanding absolute perfection with no compromises really just want a war. We’re in a world of broken boy soldiers with no glory to kill or die for. We’d rather devolve.
The solution to the left cannibalizing itself isn’t to ignore issue with people, it’s to acknowledge those issues and seek out what we can work together on. Random online leftists aren’t meaningfully getting in the way by criticizing him, I’d argue it’s important so we keep in mind where he’s an ally and where he’s an enemy.
I’d argue random online leftists criticizing non perfection is exactly why Trump won.
This isn’t to say we should turn a blind eye to or ignore the valid criticisms, and I get that people think that’s exactly what you’re saying if argue in this direction. It’s just, wouldn’t it be better if people were currently protesting and petitioning for Harris to do something about the issues they didn’t like her stance on, rather than protesting essentially illegal deportations in their own country?
I feel like it’s kinda missing the forest for the trees.
So, in a situation and conversation about him being an ally in the only substantial way he can be in this specific situation you’re going to get hung up idealism about a perfect elected leftist representative in a country that has never reflected those ideals?
Garbage analogy for a garbage argument.
Fuck you. Do better.
Not when cooking that meal could let them become head chef.
Newsom has his eye on the presidency, and he could win it if he becomes defined by this and not all the terrible shit he’s done.
At this point I’d take that as a win. Do you not understand the shit soup we are drowning in right now? Don’t let your idealism be a tool for the fascists.
Working together doesn’t mean we have to pretend our allies have no issues.
Newsom doesn’t meaningfully resist fascism and his brand of politics are a major part of why we’re here. Yeah, I’ll stand by him while he’s fighting, but that doesn’t mean we can’t criticize him.
We can’t afford to see him as a true ally. He will abandon everything we’re fighting for if it benefits him. A tiny percent of leftists criticizing him online amongst themselves will have no impact on how successfully the fascists are able to seize control.
I’m out there alongside liberals who hate most of what I believe, we can be open about that while still working together. We have a common enemy that needs to be stopped.
It means working with people you don’t like but it doesn’t mean we have to pretend they’re perfect, or even good.
If the conversation is about what they are doing to help, maybe don’t be a dick about it, there is a time and a place. Choose your battles.
imo an important part of discussing what someone is doing to help is discussing how much we can trust them and how they’re capable of helping. That mecessitates discussing what they’re bad at.
You’re 100% right there’s a time and a place. I think a discussion in a left-leaning place like Lemmy with essentially no impact on what action people take is an appropriate place.
No. People pointing out corrupt politicians aren’t the problem. Its those who cover for them and pretend like they are heros who are the problem.
What cover have I given anyone? I’m calling out all the couch potato leftists who couldn’t even get off the fucking couch to vote against fascists because of their bullshit purity tests.
Why should people vote for a genocide and reward it? If anything, making them lose despite the consequences is right thing because then youll send a message and democrats will finally learn to give ground if they want to win.
“Bullshit purity test”
Go F yourself for thinking that holding a stance against genocide is some “purity” test.
“I’d rather watch immigrants be rounded up and the genocide accelerate than compromise.”
“I’d rather compromise on genocide and refugee abuse than abandon fascist politicians.”
who gives a shit about genoicide? humans are garbage. let’s all kill each other. the few that survive will build a better society. most people never learn anything unless they learn it the hard way.
the only things that matter to me is environmental reform, a return to science based decision making, and destroying capitalism.
People like you, are the reason we are stuck with fucking trump.
People like you are why we end up with the choices of genocide vs fascism in the first place
Hey, I don’t want to assume; did you involve yourself in the last primary elections for the democratic party frontrunners? I don’t have respect for people who protest voting AND don’t even participate in primaries.
Hi, yes I do participate in all primaries and local elections. I also vote on measures whenever those pop up. I think all these are important.
To be productive, here is what I think we need to do:
- ranked choice voting
- ban PACs and donations other than by people
- limit campaign contributions or spending, so that you also dont have an unfair influence from the rich
There is probably a lot more that can be done, but this is probably a good start
I appreciate you not just assuming things btw, thank you
You’re covering for a fascist right now.
The acceptance of liberal fascism is how we got here. It’s not how we get out.
Liberal fascism doesn’t fucking exist. Fascism is a right wing ideology you nutter.
This is literally authoritarian rhetoric.
No, the “well they’re both corrupt/bad so fuck it” without acknowledging that bad/corrupt is a scale not a binary is how we got here.
Trump’s “border czar,” Tom Homan, warned Saturday that immigration operations and the presence of federal personnel would continue in the city despite criticism from Democratic leaders who’ve warned it could further escalate protests. He threatened arrest for anyone who obstructs the immigration enforcement effort, including Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass — though he acknowledged that neither yet had “crossed the line.”
Cross the line, Gavin. Cross the line and we’ll believe it’s not an idle threat. Until then you’ll always be Patrick Bateman to me.
The illegal deportations were the fucking line that was crossed. Put those fuckers on the defensive and don’t let them abuse language like this.
Let’s see Stephan Miller’s card…
The tasteful thickness of it…oh my God it even has a swastika watermark.
Gavin Newson kept California safe during the peak uncertain times of COVID.
Gavin Newson survived a recall that was initiated by the trump blowhards in Orange County and the Central Valley.
We do NOT NEED 2,000 national guards deployed to L.A. Trump WANTS to make things escalate, and 2,000 troops WILL make things escalate.
Your dipshit dictator is siccing military troops on citizens. This is war against citizens.
He did some great things during the peak but, since, he’s frequently been nothing but a corpo ghoul. Sabotaging efforts to break up convicted killer and “power company”* PG&E. Supporting rate increases so that the board of convicted killer and “power company”, PG&E didn’t have to face any actual penalties for killing people. Adamantly opposing any wealth tax. Putting significant support behind RTO/quiet layoffs.
EDIT: Forgot my own footnote.
* “power company” here used in quotes because they seem more practiced in getting away with murdering people though negligence and avoiding consequences for knowingly contaminating water supplies with carcinogens.
I was a supporter for a while, but the more I get to know him, the less I like him. He’s just another Corporatist Republican-Lite Democrat, and those are the losers that got HitlerPig elected in the first place. If he becomes President, HitlerPig, or someone worse, will be back in office in 2032.
I want the next Democratic president to be an aggressive, no apology, hard core reformer, who isn’t afraid to stand up to Sociopathic Oligarchs and Traitors.
Yup. I’ve been pissed off at him since he started using the pied piper approach to avoid competition from the left, during Trump’s first term. He’s done a lot of good and bad since.
Well, shit. There’s a lot to not like about Newsom, but I can think of 100 democrat politicians that would have folded like wet Kleenex by now. He could be a lot more aggressive about this, but he’s clearly trying to exhaust all the normal channels. Critical support for Gavin.
Yeah I’m surprised he didn’t offer to switch parties, GJ Gavvy
Get em Gavin
“That kind of bloviating is exhausting.”
Bloviate - talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
Instantly added to my lexicon. There’s another word I’ve often used when I should have been using this one, because the other word (malapropism) isn’t exactly what I am meaning a lot of the time but it was the closest thing to what I was trying to convey (someone talking out of their ass in a way that tries to sound intelligent when it isn’t).
I keep a message chain to myself for new words - here’s my most recent:
architectonics, antimonies, deracinated, vituperative, idempotent, moither, uxorious, voussoir, integumented, exuviated, entelechy.
moither
That’s the opposite of foither! 😃
If ya want another one for thine lexicon might I suggest gormless? It’s when one lacks intelligence or vitality. You can insult someone’s intelligence and their dick if you are clever enough.
I hate the word so much because Bill O’Reilly used to constantly use it back in his hayday (early 2ks) so I associate it with him.
I remember that and even as a teenager it drove me nuts because that is exactly what his entire news slot was …him , bloviating. Fuck that guy
Don’t think for a second Newsom is a hero just because he opposes Trump. He’s a very corrupt individual.
Last time we fought fascism we allied with lots of adversaries to take down the larger threat. I’m down for doing that again.
I’ll take a Trotsky over a Stalin any day. Besides, this is Hollywood shit. The gov of California is a relatively blanched position. It’s a showpony job by design. Newsom has power here because everyone that has power in Sacramento and in the county system supports him. Everybody fucking despises Trump except the neonazis at this point.
not nearly as bad but yeah, hea basicslly republicans from a decade ago cosplaying as a democrat, appeals to the california republicans, or like not appeals, calms them down enough or whatever
Honestly, short of some miracle undoing this whole mess, this was a flavor of outcome I was quietly hoping for. At some point, politicians are going to realize - much like the president’s base - that they’re going to lose power unless they mount some kind of opposition. For the very worst ones out there, power is kind of their whole bag. Take it away and they get very angry; they may even do something about it. It’s kind of the tacit driving force behind any “checks and balances” scheme: power-hungry bastards trying to out-power-hungry-bastard each other. In a gross way, we kind of depend on it.
What is it about important blue states, like California and New York, that keep voting for corrupt pieces of shit(Eric Adams)‽ Again and again¿ Like I’m an out and loud proud social democrat in probably the reddest state, but it gets exhausting trying to juxtapose that with trying to tell people how corrupt every single repuglican is.
$0.02: good people know enough to not take the job, let alone run for it. It’s expensive to run for office, doesn’t pay enough, eats up your life, you’re constantly advertising to stay employed, and your co-workers are all politicians. It’s very much a “I offer myself as tribute” kind of a situation, even for extraordinary people.
Meanwhile, a corrupt person knows that it’s worth all the trouble if you convert political power into (illegal) money.
Yep, I had a friend that was one of those I can change the world types. He was major of a place for a while, he said it sucked because you can barely accomplish anything, ans if your staff doesn’t like your ideas they work against you in subtle ways like not bringing you the relevent information on topics or reports etc. Basically clandestine backstabbing all term
Liberalism is a fascist ideology.
Newsom is a complete coward lol, he is NOT resisting Trump meaningfully.
I mean this is exactly what i would call resisting, but i agree he is a shithead.
I can understand people being pissed at him since every Californian cop has been taking the national guard’s side against the protesters so far
The national guard is under his command. The President needs his permission to be mobilized federally, with certain exceptions that require them to be used against an external enemy.
He should have gone to the NG and ordered them to stand down. Because their current orders were doubley illegal.
dude the californian cops have been far worse than the national guard. i’m not really sure what you’re talking about with this side thing. watch the videos man, the cops are the ones being super aggressive. national guard is just kinda standing back most of the time.
Yeah, I guess I was thinking of this from the top down constitutional perspective of it (and even then I probably should have said taking ICE’s side or the federal government’s side), but meanwhile on the ground the LAPD is doing the LAPD thing and the National Guard is doing the National Guard thing
A lot of people here are unable to accept that shitty people they hate can sometimes be right.
This is just two shitty showboats both benefiting.
How is it resisting to say “arrest me”?
Because it signals noncompliance, fucking obviously. And it is consistent with the lawsuit he’s filing, so it’s not just empty words.
JFC.
“I’m not going to do what you want so you will have to come down here and drag me away”
Damn, Rosa Parks really should have tried resisting instead of just sitting in the front of the bus and refusing to move until she was dragged out by cops.
How do you not see that it is resistance? What a bizarre question
Because dude hasn’t done shit except disingenuously offer to sit in a cell.
It’s not. It’s just more political theater. These two creeps were made for each other.
Even if dude is arrested, it’ll just be a brief show for the cameras
If this is “resisting” then we’re doomed.
Are you?
Are you?
No, but I’m also not berating people for not doing more.
You seem fine judging people saying they’re not doing enough. I mean, you wouldn’t do that unless you were walking the walk right?
Or are you just a keyboard warrior lol. Yelling at people to do stuff you’re not ready or willing to do. You want everyone to fix your problems for ya huh?
But you didn’t answer my question because you know all that.
are you insane?
Still haven’t answered the question, just tossing insults, like a child.
Am I insane? I’m not the one crying that people aren’t fighting for me hard enough while I do nothing. Demanding others do what you won’t.
You’re new here, from reddit I’d guess, it shows my guy. Get out of here with your nonsense.
dude what is your deal?
he’s got a law degree, and passed bar, he’s aware of what an enormous investment opportunity that level of civil rights violation would entail.
True Leftists are fun. They complain when you do, and they complain when you don’t.
Hi, actual leftist here.
Is Newsom a garbage person, a slimy politician with no real core beliefs, who just tight rope walks a balance between the desires of his constituents, and his wealthy donors?
Yes.
Can garbage people actually do the right thing from time to time, be on the right side of an issue?
Also yes.
Keep it up Newsom, this is the kind of ‘fuck you, make me!’ energy/vibe/whatever we need to actually have a shot at resisting Trump from within the system, instead of basically being completely on our own.
Maybe this will be a genuinely radicalizing experience for him.
…
I would love for there to be an actual, formal, ‘legitmate’ body or group of people actually, effectively, resisting Trump, instead of wringing their hands and complaining about how powerless they are.
Politics is the game of acquiring and wielding power.
Sitting down and crying about how you don’t know what to do is removeding yourself, and makes all your supporters into simps for a removed.
Sorry to use the colorful language, no kink-shaming if thats your thing in the bedroom, but that is how I feel, and being a simp in the context of politics and governance is… not the place for such behavior.
If on the other hand we get some actually useful resistance from ‘legitimate’ officials, well then that means there might be a chance at ‘legitimately’ reaisting… but its going to mean a whole lot of libs are gonna have to learn how to actually play hardball the way Republicans have been the last 20 years… the way Gavin is here.
Is Newsom a garbage person, a slimy politician with no real core beliefs, who just tight rope walks a balance between the desires of his constituents, and his wealthy donors?
Yes
Got any good news articles about this? I don’t see much about him except his podcast and headlines like these. But nothing ever dives into who he actually is and some might call him a “garbage person”.
He’s been a proponent of a lot of right-wing talking points and stupid policies that run against what most left-leaning people in California want. Most recently he endorsed a bill that would require an absolutely criminally obtuse asset-check to get disability insurance in the wealthiest state in America, a state which is wealthier than most countries.
He doesn’t support trans athletes, he has worked to end homeless encampments without providing them an option, he’s been anti-union and snuggles with people like Charlie Kirk.
That’s just what I know for myself without looking up sources, just what I remember as I have followed Cali news.
But all that said, yes, as /u/[email protected] said, you can support someone when they are fighting for what you believe in, and despite my knowledge that Newsom is a giant snake, he’s doing and saying the right things here and I support it.
A lot of people who aren’t terminally online would be shocked at just how divisive this issue is among leftists, but I am quite sure that’s just because leftists/progressives are so deprived of being able to have intellectual debates, since you can’t have intellectual arguments with the right, that they’re forced to infight just to exercise mental capacity to some degree.
For an appetizer, read up on how during COVID lockdowns he was still out dining at Michelin restaurants. For your main course, learn about how much money he has personally invested in the corrupt “public” utility PG&E. Then for dessert listen to the Behind the Bastards podcast about how truly heinous and evil Dr. Mehmet Oz is, and ask yourself why anybody would ever give that sentient snail a platform of legitimacy.
Hopefully these comments are the ones that will make it clear just how hard the “Democrats bad” narrative is being pushed on Lemmy.
They want us to focus more on the Dems than the people actually implementing fascism. They want to manipulate the next election, and they’re starting early. It will get worse.
“Democrats bad narrative”
Idk, the actions of the governor of the state where national guard and potentially military are being mobilized against Americans exercising their first amendment rights, seems kind of relevant to the whole thing.
Yes the part where he is opposing that and not the one implementing it is relevant
Good point. The protestors do that and more and they have a fraction of the power Newsom has. It’s pathetic.
It’s much more effective to fracture a group by pretending to be part of it than by leveling criticism from the outside.
Exactly. And it’s going to work despite the few comments we leave here pointing it out.
tactic has worked fucking incredibly so far. why stop now.
It’s an iteration on r/thedonald.
Just like there, some of it is genuine. And more of it is genuine because it’s easy and fits in with the “consensus”.
Luckily the mod/admin powers here aren’t being used to assist it, unlike previous times.
deleted by creator
I missed the part where Newsome is actually impeding ICE.
“Comfortable, wealthy neoliberal who does interviews with and works with fascists and is not personally targeted by them bravely says some macho stuff while his state’s residents get disappeared and shot at.” Is the actual headline here, but Gavin is hoping that a little grandstanding will let him make a presidential run later without actually doing anything for his constituents. He should be doing so, so much more than he is and yet so many people seem desperate for a win that they are willing to call this a victory rather than like, a potential signal that he might, potentially, care about his citizens a little, hypothetically.
True leftists beat Mussolini into an unrecognizable piece of meat and hung him from his ankles
None of the people posting on this site are ‘true leftists’ they’re keyboard warriors.
Please go away.
Username checks out.
Who are you talking about and how is it related to this story?
Anyone that uses the term ‘leftist’ is a fuckwit.
You don’t have to like the term, but you probably shouldn’t describe everyone who uses a term you don’t like as a “fuckwit.”
You may find this helpful when discussing US political differences on the left-hand side of the aisle: https://helpfulprofessor.com/leftist-vs-liberal/
Downvote all you like, but terms like that are just tribal bullshit that helps no-one.
I only got to downvote once, though.
If I am a betting person, and if Trump doesn’t arrest him sooner, I would bet that Newsom will run for president near 2028, and that is when Trump will have him arrested.
Newsome will definitely run for president, and HitlerPig knows it, that’s why he’s going after him now.
Alexei Navalny would advise Newsome to not get arrested easily. Fight these fascists at every turn.
So are you? A betting person?
In the case of Trump? No. The dude is unpredictable.
100 true!
He’s not perfect but Newsom’s one of the few political figures resistance to the Trump regime can crystallize around. Yes I’m well aware he’s the type of guy who’d like to find common ground with these assholes but he’s at least willing to risk provoking Trump’s goons into overextending themselves.
Just more TACO comments from wanna be bullies. These people would lose their teeth in a street fight. Then act like they are Rocky Balboa on state media Fox News. The reality is that they are pussies. Punch a bully and he never bothers you again.
eh nothing stops a bully for long, punch them and itll be a week, month, or a year, eventually theyll push and test boundaries again and then go further, gotta disable the bullies
Pride bricks are in season rn. 🏳️🌈
Hi all, I hope people hear this and the post is not hidden. This is an insecure system, and talking on here about things you want to or will do will be used by the regime.
Please take this as it is meant. I fully appreciate the anger and the pain you are all feeling, and you are totally right to fight, but you must fight smart.
DO NOT LET YOUR ANGER GET THE BEST OF YOU. If this goes the way it’s looking like it might, direct fights with whatfever is left of the States’ forces is suicide, and the good guys need all the boots on the ground you can muster.
There are many veterans of the war on terror who are literal experts on the tactics needed to win this; seek them out.
Assume all coms are monitored because they are. Look after each other, people.
A friend who knows the score.
