Because all the conversation I’ve seen has been against Trans Women going to women’s restrooms. Which is strange to me because, according to the twisted concept of TERFs, Trans men are not men (even though they are), but “women”.
Aren’t they worried about “women” going into men’s bathrooms?
Terf ideology more or less boils down to
Transwomen are predatorial men
Trans men are foolish women who were tricked
They probably don’t believe in enbies.
They’re seriously more bothered about there being a trans woman in a different cubicle where you can’t see each other than if it was a lesbian perving on your sounds, or a gay man being at the stand ups and sneaking a look at your winky (12” flaccid before you ask). This is not stuff normal people care about.
The thing you have to understand about TERF ideology is that they think:
- Men are evil rapists
- Women are dainty weak little waifs
- And, of course, gender is immutably determined by sex assigned at birth
So naturally they think trans women are evil rapey men trying to infiltrate women’s spaces, while trans men are weak-willed stupid little girls who’ve been seduced into Gender and don’t know any better.
Very feminist, much radical.
The term “seduced into gender” is hilarious
Excellent explanation, and happy cake day, if that’s a thing we say.
The F stands for Fuckwit not Feminist.
yoink!
thanks, I’m stealing that :)
it’s so clear and so sad how accurate your words are
Well, I’m aware of that. I’m just baffled by how little TERFs care about those “stupid little girls seduced by gender”.
In their worldview, they are “women” entering a space full of “evil men”, which sound worse than a “man” entering a space full of women.
I don’t hear them talking about trans men and toilets (I guess they think they’re st risk, but it’s their own fault?) but I’ve heard lots of criticism of trans men as telling women they aren’t allowed to be masculine, or erasing lesbians, or other poorly informed things.
I’m a dude and have used the women’s room a lot of times.
Sometimes you gotta shit and dudes rooms don’t always have seats.
I dare you to live on the road with a punk rock band and only use one genders bathroom for the whole tour.
You’ll shit your pants.
Just channel your inner GG Allin and shit on stage.
This guy gets it
Giving me random CKY flashbacks
Every time a women came into the men’s bathroom I just assumed it was urgent and that the women’s bathroom was occupied or closed. Never had any different thought.
Edit: I don’t think any sane man would care if a female, trans, cyborg or alien would go pee.
I remember being at a bar… Queue out the door for the ladies, mens almost empty.
One of the girls in the queue said something like “I wish we could use the mens” as a comedy throwaway.
I said “do it, if you’re comfortable doing so, we don’t care”. I mean, there are still stalls with doors right?
Half a dozen very relieved ladies bolted for the mens.
I like to think I made some people’s evening just a little better that night.
Respect my right to be robophobic
Sounds like a closeted robosexual.
If you came into my bathroom, I would stay until you finished.
Kinky
making sure they wash their hands. good on you
You make Bender sad.
My wife followed me into the men’s room last night in Vegas cause the ladies room was closed for cleaning. Didn’t realize anyone was in there, but a dude that happened to be going number 2 bolted outta there like the flash, it was kinda funny.
One night out my partner and I got separated, leaving me with her handbag, I needed a piss so I took it in to the toilet with me, should have seen the reaction of the two men in there.
They celebrated when Noah Ruiz (a trans man) was assaulted by men for being in the “wrong” bathroom (he had been told to go to the woman’s.)
TERFs don’t want trans people using any toilet. TERFs want to push trans people out of public life, and ideally to stop existing all together, by making existing in it as difficult as possible.
Amazing how hard it is to express the TE in TERF is an absolute.
And the feminist part seems silent. It’s almost as though these people are misogynistic.
No. They should be considering this, given that plenty of trans men look like large and intimidating men (because they are), and they’ll be forced to use womens’ restrooms if the TERFs had their way.
Ultimately, the restroom issue is only superficial. TERFs (and other bigots) will pick issues like this, but they don’t actually care about the issues they’re yelling about. What they really care about is keeping their privilege and their sense of superiority. And that requires having a “them” group to put down and exclude, to clutch their pearls around.
So when you see irrational takes like the restroom thing, remember that it’s irrational because it’s not actually important to them (though they themselves likely don’t realize that).
They also care about ruining trans people’s lives in any way possible. I’m sure there are plenty of transphobes who simply haven’t thought the bathroom thing through, but don’t forget the other reason they’d be happy to put passing trans men in women’s bathrooms: it forces them into an impossible decision. When an angry mob drags a trans man out of the women’s toilet, you think they’re going to listen to protestations of being AFAB? If anything, that’d just rile them up further. So a when someone is faced with the decision of choosing either the room they’re least likely to be noticed in, or the one the law technically assigned to them, they may instead choose to stay home. They may even start considering detransitioning. This is a feature, not a bug.
Yeah, that’s the “put down and exclude” part. The thing is, though, is that the transphobes don’t believe it’s because they want to ruin trans folks’ lives. In fact, they believe they’re doing the Right Thing™. Pressuring people to stay closeted is something they’re definitely attempting to do, but they genuinely believe it’s for everyone’s benefit, even the trans folks (again, this is irrational). They don’t take pleasure from the pain and discomfort they cause (at least not consciously), they take pleasure from feeling righteous.
I think one thing that most people can agree on is that they prefer walking into an empty public restroom.
Nobodyfew of us like using the facilities while under observation.I mean, *phobes have little problem with also being hypocrites.
Well they have to get the idea to self-project from somewhere. Like US politicians and paedophilia
Not worried about lesbians though
As far as I can tell, no. No one ever seems to care. I can only assume it’s because they view men as the “dominant” sex and women as “weak”.
Which is bizarre cause it’s incredibly fucking sexist.
It’s not a TERF thing. Nearly no one cares about who goes into a “Men’s” Restroom and it’s always been that way.
It’s the definition. Trans exclusionary RADICAL FEMINIST.
They put women’s rights first.
Only their narrow definition of woman. And as an old cishet woman myself, I say the only thing radical about them is the amount of conservatism they’re channelling. There’s nothing feminist about that.
They put some women’s rights first.
FTFY
It’s absolutely not my place to gatekeep feminism, but…
IMHO They’re not practicing feminism (defined as empowering women) the trans exclusion turns it into radical misandry (disempowering men) by excluding any trans people from their definition of women: they consider transfem and transmasc people as men.
Their logic is that women are a historically oppressed group and that certain rights are a zero-sum game. They would say someone who has been born a man has forfeited male privilege and therefore don’t have a right to anything which “belongs” to women.
If our discourse wasn’t so polarised people wouldn’t become entrenched like that but social media has made ration/empathetic discussion impossible.
Trans people are also a historically oppressed and marginalized group, so much so that history has hidden a lot of them. That oppression has also been rooted in misogyny. So any attempt to uproot misogyny which ignores this fact is doomed to fail.
