It’s insane to me that they’re not charging him with treason in the documents case. There are ties to Russian intelligence as well as sale of confidential submarine plans.
It’s strategic. Why set the bar any higher than it needs to be to put him away for life?
That’s a fair point, but only treason would exempt him from holding office again.
Put him behind bars, THEN charge him for treason. Make him show up to court in handcuffs and an orange jumper, to match his face.
Dude is gonna look like Palpatine when he can’t get bronzer anymore.
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”
Insurrection and rebellion, not treason.
Look up what the constitutionally enumerated definition of treason is, then re-read the second to last sentence of your quote. You have to try to commit treason in the US. This is a winner winner chicken dinner situation.
But a disturbing amount of Lemmy is ready and willing to risk making him President because of one issue that Trump would also do nothing to fix.
*Because of one issue that Trump explicitly said he would do much much worse with
I’ll never fucking understand it. They claim to care, but he will be substantially worse, and also make their lives directly worse on top of it.
I get it. Nobody wants to actively vote for a guy supporting genocide. But they need to grow up and realize that if they can’t make a good choice, they need to make the better choice, no matter how much it sucks that we’re at this point.
One supports it (probably because he can’t please everyone)
The other would gleefully assist in the genocide
I think Biden would please a lot more people if he just didn’t pick a side. Nobody I talk to, no matter where on the political spectrum they land, likes him supporting Israel.
Sadly the side was chosen before he was even VP. The U.S. has been sending money and weapons for decades.
Supporting genocide is not a matter of “growing up”.
Dems have reached the end of the “lesser of two evils” strategy. It turns out literal genocide is the point at which people no longer respond that rhetoric, weird huh?
If you don’t want to actively vote for a guy supporting genocide, then exercise your right to not do that by picking a third party candidate that best aligns with your interests and vote for them. Disparaging the people whose votes you absolutely have to have isn’t going to persuade them to vote for the person you’re voting for. Just makes you look silly.
There is no “worse” than full on, reigns free, genocide. Biden isn’t just doing nothing he’s supplying the genocide. The only way it could be worse is if US troops were activated to help.
It’s a bullshit talking point to pretend Trump could do worse on this issue (especially since it is never accompanied with any specifics about how he’d be worse on this issue). Biden is full genocide support, you might not like hearing that and knowing your vote will serve as an endorsement for continued Democratic complicity in genocide, but that’s what it is and is exactly why people simply cannot support Biden without him taking action to reverse his course.
You might be willing to excuse it, many aren’t, especially those who have literal family members being killed by US bombs right now. There are no rhetorical gymnastics that make it ok.
It’s a bullshit talking point to pretend Trump could do worse on this issue (especially since it is never accompanied with any specifics about how he’d be worse on this issue).
Hahaha! Jesus fucking christ, what are you, twelve? Was the first illegitimate trump administration happening while you learned colors and letters? You have got to be fucking joking with this garbage. Nobody can give specifics on how he’d be worse! HAH! For fuck’s sake. If you’re not from America, ok, but otherwise - please. There have been many cogent arguments as to how he’d be worse - do you need help finding them? Are you actually, in good faith, asking? Because I doubt it. And if it’s even a question to you whether trump can manage a competent foreign relations situation, you’re either being disingenuous or comically ignorant.
It’s the Bernie Bros all over again. No need to bother they’re almost as cultish as maga
Correction: trum claimed he would fix that issue. By basically eradicating Gaza, but still…
I haven’t seen a single person say they’ll vote for Trump because of the genocide in Gaza. I’m sure they exist, I just haven’t seen it yet…
It’s not about those voting for him, they’re a lost cause.
It’s the fact that if you don’t vote for Biden, based on the current options and possible outcomes available, you are saying that you’re okay with Trump beating him.
Sad how shortsighted we as a nation have become
Nailed it.
I’m not continuing to participate in this failed system brah!
Seems to be the best argument they can come up with… As if 4% voting third party would make a difference except to help elect a full on fascist
As if 4% voting third party would make a difference except to help elect a full on fascist
Aye, there’s the rub
You guys should really think about changing your voting system.
Our voting uses something called a Single Transferable Vote. You can rank candidates in order of preference - last place gets eliminated and any votes they got are instead transferred to each voters’ next preference. Repeat until there’s only one left.
It cuts out most of the stupid games and you get to see people’s positions more honestly.
In this case it’d let people vote for an anti genocide candidate and still indicate that they’d prefer Biden over Trump.
You guys should really think about changing your voting system.
Lmao – ooooohhhh why didn’t we think of that!
Just snap our fingers and change the system!
Constituents don’t have many cards they’re allowed to hold. So the ones we can, we will clutch with a death grip.
Some of us refuse to let anyone know who we vote for until the pen meets the paper. Because the President is supposed to work for the people, so we’ll make them work for it as long as we can.
That’s great.
I’m talking about the people specifically saying they will not vote for Biden.
Those are likely Russian trolls or those who drank the trolls’ piss-saturated Kool-aid, hun. You can’t expect them to have sound reasoning.
I was about to say “Holy shit, that’s impressive. I need a source for that” and you got one ready. Good job, OP!
i think beyond possibly getting paid for it, trump also wanted to pull a kissinger except with russia this time.
also the fact he isnt already in jail gives me strong “not a real democracy” vibes from the US.
Maga: OK, but look what Biden did!!
“Muh Hunter Biden laptop.”
Being completely serious about the laptop, the most serious allegations against Joe Biden from all their obsessing over Hunter Biden is a claim that he had been engaging in essentially pay-for-access while in office (as VP and/or as a Senator), using family as intermediaries to facilitate it.
Replace “family” with “hotels” and you’ve got something we’re all pretty sure Trump was also doing as president.
Also, official MAGA lore is that there’s like 5 laptops now 🤣
he’s old!!!
What did he do?
Maga: OMG how can you not know sheeple?
Ok, but what did he do? Did he leak classified information? Did he try to overthrow our government?
Maga:…
He smoked crack with a hooker!
And how does that affect the rest of us?
…
MAGA: No, worse, he’s cancelling student loans!
And letting tRaNs people use restrooms that match their gender identity!
If anyone thinks that the CIA and deep state is still secretly controlling the United States, picking the leaders, influencing media to present only the narrative that they want to see presented… well, now you got your answer. They’re not. If they were, every single TV news show every single night would be running stories about this kind of thing, and good things Biden has done, and associates of Trump who need to be in prison who aren’t yet.
The irony is that some version of that influence and control campaign actually is happening now, on behalf of other countries, on social media. Their propaganda is getting presented front and center and getting tons of traction, and the US is in the unusual position of playing catch up on the influencing-mass-opinion game.
I feel there’s an element in the CIA that’s totally OK with Trump being in power, because it means they get everything green-lit (or Trump simply handwaves them gaining semi-autonomy again, like the bad old days). Remember, the years where they could simply launch a completely unauthorized coup in a foreign country are still within living memory, and well within institutional memory, and I’m sure there’s enough spooks that absolutely want that sort of power back.
I say the CIA never had any meaningful domestic power. They were a convenient place for J Edgar Hoover to point at when he didn’t want scrutiny on his agency and the secret nature of their work in addition to the considerable power of the FBI under Hoover kept them from defending themselves.
George HW Bush was director of the CIA before President, but i guess that doesnt count as meaningful enough for you?
He was also Vice President to a very popular President immediately before being elected. I think that had more to do with his becoming President than his time as director of the CIA.
Since we’re big fans of attributing causation to correlation here, he was also captain of his HS varsity baseball team, and I think that’s what really got him the presidency.
And before that, his family got rich aiding the Nazis.
I say the CIA never had any meaningful domestic power.
crack epidemic?
He’s checks notes creating jobs!
Basically if Trump wins the US will be more or less a vassal state to Russia.
That is a possibility at least, however remote.
If you were Putin, you’d be doing everything in your power to make sure Trump wins.
I mean I can imagine him doing that, but wyere source?
Plenty of articles on Trump his private meetings with Putin. A short one: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/politics/trump-putin-meetings.html
The CIA circumstantially complaining and warning their agents of an increase of dead informants: https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/
Apart from leaking, Trump also erroneously declassified secret documents, leading to the disappearance (and likely deaths) of some informants. Best case was that the western agency was able to extract their informant in time, but that still means that there is 1 less informant. Here’s one case, but there were more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/russian-sources-disappeared-after-trump-declassified-ex-spys-evidence-uk-court-told
Trump his public obeisances towards Putin are also clearly recognizable as such. Trump Putin meetings are not meetings of equals, but one is clearly there to do the bidding of the other.
Put 1, 2, 3 and 4 together and there are many who believe that it was Trump who purposefully gave top secret information to his master. Including basically all western spy agencies, who now no longer can trust the USA with secret information. Trump is a traitor and everyone knows it.
thx
Haha I love the reverse psychology
what?
My bad i misread. I though you said “I can’t believe that what your source”. (Which was great reverse psychology) The good thing with Lemmy is you have real people, the bad thing with Lemmy, you got real people.
Can we get some sources for this?
The picture right up there duh
the source is that some random person said it
