idk, I feel like we could take a much better approach to this. Instead of just mocking them, maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was, and maybe to stop supporting him?
“If you believed x, maybe it’s time to look at who told you x and whether they’re a trustworthy source of information”
This happened in the UK too with Brexit. When things turned out badly, in the exact way as was predicted, it was “this isn’t what I voted for”. But the problem was never with the vote itself, it was always the fault of politicians not implementing things correctly, it was the EU’s fault for not giving them what they wanted although they voted to be outside of it, experts didn’t warn them enough although they ridiculed said experts because the experts didn’t went along with the Brexit beliefs.
It’s like trying to be Scully and going against Mulder’s “I want to believe”.
I mean if you read it article it’s full of “this is the Democrats fault” and “we made a mistake, but we’ll never admit it”. So many are still flailing, looking for anyone else to blame and absolve them of a dumbass move.
The truth is out there. But so are lies.
So, so many lies.
The truth is handed in a silver platter but that reality is immediately rejected and replaced with their own wishes and dreams.
maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was
people have been doing this for years. YEARS
i will mock and ridicule them until the day i die. fuck trump, and fuck trump supporters.
I guarantee you that the people saying “this isn’t what I voted for” voted for him in 2016, 2020, and in 2024.
They got exactly what they voted for. These people are just surprised that the leopard is eating their face, and not those of darker skin.
Lots of people responding here are missing your point. If somebody you know voted for Trump is now struggling to understand what’s going on, and they voice this thought to you, take it as an opportunity. You shouldn’t tell them what to do (ie “Don’t watch Fox News”), but rather, follow the Socratic Method to guide them to question their sources. Start small - their entire worldview won’t shatter in one conversation. But if you see cracks forming in their beliefs, that’s something worth fostering.
No, not everybody is going to see the light. It’s important to know your “audience.” If you don’t believe they’re asking in good faith, or if you’re not comfortable engaging with them, then please don’t do it. At the same time, although it would feel really good to throw a We told you so! at them, it’s better saved for rants among like-minds. Responding with such hostility to somebody who already feels used and betrayed isn’t going to help them find their way back to reality.
Remember that we are going to need to be as united as possible on this war against the oligarchs. Whether someone has seen this threat coming for years, or only just now realized what’s going on, it’s not going to matter in the big picture. It’s better to educate than isolate.
Thank you. I didn’t have time to go into such detail but this is spot. Really feels like we’re throwing away a rare opportunity to persuade trump supporters
Lots of people responding here are missing your point
No, they’re making a counter-point, that’s not the same thing. Their point is:
If somebody you know voted for Trump is now struggling to understand what’s going on, and they voice this thought to you, take it as an opportunity
To laugh in their faces and mock them, as they deserve. Because these people have already gotten the nice attempts, and can now eat shit
Right, democrats are the enlightened bunch and republicans are fumbling in the dark. The mythology continues.
I always liked the analogy of chickens voting for Colonel Sanders, but you were getting there.
Instead of just mocking them, maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was, and maybe to stop supporting him?
20 years of pointing out that shit like Fox News was just feels over reals sure did a lot of good on that front.
This works when no faith is involved. Trumpists are a cult. People who believe in something at an irrational level (like what happens with religious fundamentalists) can’t be reasoned with. They are way beyond the point where reason works with them. Now only a very hard wake up in the form of a traumatic event will work for them.
Have you ever tried to convince a very religious person that their god doesn’t exist? Same thing.
Fuck that.
We got in this situation from our side being too polite and dismissive. The only language that they understand is sophomoric and emotional, so it is time to communicate with them in the only way they know how. We tried rationally explaining what was going to happen. It’s happening, now it’s time to rub their nose in it and point out that their inability to engage their brain landed all of us in this situation. Then hope to God some neurons dust themselves off and start firing.
No he isn’t. They’re all fucking thrilled. Where are y’all getting this shit? Trump voters are tap dancing right now.
There are some stories of trump voters that had their immigrant wifes deported and they are totally shocked, because “shes one of the good ones”
Sad thing is, they’d probably try to vote him in a third time anyway.
I saw a news story from conservative women who have government jobs that are now realizing DEI means women too, not just black . Not saying they’re rational but they’re out there
There’s also teachers who voted for Trump that are surprised he’s going to dismantle the department of education and freeze the federal funding they depend on.
To be fair, It’s not like it was a major talking point of the campaign or anything…… /s
Well thats quite a lesson to learn.
Like 60% of the male Latino vote went to trump, and I’ve seen Trump support shirts among those rounded up by ICE, so some of them are in the Find Out phase.
There’s also the idiot Arabic groups that helped get Trump in power by demonizing Harris then are all shocked Pikachu when Trump turned out to be exponentially worse.
There’s also the idiot Arabic groups that helped get Trump in power by demonizing Harris then are all shocked Pikachu when Trump turned out to be exponentially worse.
“Demonising Harris” here is a shitty euphemism for “Democrats refused to stop supporting genocide then told any and all voters, but especially Arab voters who might have particularly cared, to fuck off”, with the shocked pikachu in practice being Democrats who are surprised when telling voters to fuck off over concerns about genocide did not help them turn out the vote to beat Trump.
Then being racist about those same minorities by blaming the election loss on “Arabic groups” after monstering them as saboteurs and belittling their concerns repeatedly.
Almost like anyone with 2 brain cells could have told you that’s both bad policy and bad campaign strategy.
In an Oct. 16 memo, the leading super PAC supporting Ms. Harris raised alarms about being outspent on television. The group, Future Forward, said in the memo, which was first reported by The Washington Post, that it would be “difficult for anyone” but the Harris team to close the gap because of the higher ad rates that super PACs pay.
It was hardly Future Forward’s only frustration. Another memo, issued days later, pointed out “very high-performing ads that have yet to get a big spend.” One ad, Future Forward said, had ranked in the “100th percentile” — meaning it was the most effective — yet it had virtually never been aired.
Campaign officials, meanwhile, were frustrated that Future Forward sat on so much of its money until the final weeks, forcing the campaign to spend more on the airwaves earlier.
Another Harris challenge: After raising $1 billion in less than three months, a bevy of consultants, allies and others were often angling for a cut, including the chairman of the Democratic Party in Philadelphia. In September, the Harris operation contributed almost $25 million to other party committees, in part to quiet those demands.
Some media allies of Ms. Harris were also paid. Areva Martin, who hosts a talk show, was paid $200,000 as a media consultant, and she went on a battleground-state tour in October.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/politics/harris-campaign-finances.html
Typical left-wing economic agenda items like “living wage,” “affordable housing,” “paid family leave,” or “union jobs” dropped out of Harris’s vocabulary in the weeks after Labor Day. Tracking the use of more neutral terms relating to the economy — like “wages,” “jobs,” and “workers” — we see a trend line that slopes upward into early September before declining over the following weeks. By October, Harris was spending less of her time campaigning with Shawn Fain and Bernie Sanders than she was with Republican Liz Cheney and billionaire Mark Cuban, unlikely candidates to push any kind of progressive economic message, let alone a populist one. Cuban was gleeful enough to declare that the “progressive principles . . . of the Democratic Party . . . are gone. It’s Kamala Harris’s party now.”
This pivot wasn’t merely rhetorical: donors, consultants, and business-connected campaign staff pushed Harris to “clarify” or de-emphasize previous statements indicating support for a slate of popular policies on price controls; capital gains, corporate, and wealth taxes; and a host of other issues. Harris’s vague suggestions that she would engage in price controls to bring down inflation were watered down into a policy that already exists in most states that prevents businesses from profiteering on natural disasters. Her gestures toward taxing the wealthy became a capital gains tax proposal of 28 percent, far lower than the Biden administration’s proposed 40 percent; and she never took a position on Biden’s proposal to tax unrealized capital gains. And as time went on, the candidate spoke less and less frequently about her watered-down price-gouging proposal or her commitment to taxing the rich.
https://jacobin.com/2024/11/harris-campaign-economic-populism-democracy/
While in Michigan, Clinton criticized Palestinian and Arab-Americans who oppose the Biden-Harris Administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza, which has killed at least that 43,000 Palestinians, most of them women and children, and rendered much of Gaza uninhabitable.
In a speech yesterday, Clinton argued that Israel was justified in not keeping “score” of civilian casualty counts in Gaza due to Hamas’ October 7th attack. He also claimed civilians have been killed because they were used as human shields despite the fact the Israeli government has engaged in what even President Biden admitted was “indiscriminate” bombing, destroying mosques, churches, schools, hospitals, and refugee camps.
He also justified Biden administration’s support for the Israeli government’s genocide in Gaza by arguing that Israelis had lived near Gaza since “before [Islam] existed,” citing King David and referring to the Holy Land as “Judea and Samaria,” a term used by far-right Israelis who oppose a Palestinian state. Clinton stated that President Biden was fulfilling his “duty” to Israel by providing unconditional military support.
“Arabic groups” didn’t decide the Democratic parties campaign message. “Arabic groups” didn’t decide where Democrats spent their campaign money. “Arabic groups” didn’t ask for Bill Clinton to lecture them about Judea and Samaria and how it belongs to Israel, nor did “Arabic groups” emphasise running an entire slate of Republicans at the DNC, whilst refusing just one Palestinian American speaker that would have effectively endorsed Harris on behalf of the uncommitted movement on stage. “Arabic groups” didn’t tell Democrats to downplay their economic messaging for fear of upsetting lobbyists and rich donors feelings.
So ushering in fascism was the solution? How’s that going for them?
Waste of time talking this fool. Same type that calls the police on their suicidal friend and then is shocked when the police execute the friend. Those who allow themselves to be ruled by belief and feelings cannot be reasoned with, they can only be controlled.
What drugs are you on?
Why is it so hard for you to hold people with power accountable for their own actions, as compared with incessantly lashing out at random voters online? Why are you liberals so head in the sand delusional that you refuse to engage with any insight or critique of the Demcoratic party, how it operates, and the decisions that leadership are clearly responsible for keep making?
I didn’t decide what Kamalas campaign message was. I didn’t decide how she spent the money. I didn’t decide that ethnically cleansing Palestinians was too important a position to sacrifice after their own base and literally people within the state department told them repeatedly it was bad policy and bad electorally. No one single person or voter who you decide to fixate on and lash out at online because you got mad at seeing criticism of Democrats meaningfully changed the outcome of the election themselves. How Democrats chose to campaign did.
People aren’t controlled by political leaders. Choosing not to support the only legitimate option that wasn’t fascism is a stupid way to stick it to the leaders.
Yes, the democrats ran a bad campaign, but that’s a shit excuse to not fight against fascism.
People like you lack any concept of prioritization. If someone throws a molotov removedtail through your window, you don’t try to fix the window before putting out the fire. If you let the house burn down you can never fix the window.
People aren’t controlled by political leaders. Choosing not to support the only legitimate option that wasn’t fascism is a stupid way to stick it to the leaders.
Who said they were?
Yes, the democrats ran a bad campaign, but that’s a shit excuse to not fight against fascism.
And the democrats had the most means to do so, including as part of an election campaign they fucked.
People like you lack any concept of prioritization. If someone throws a molotov removedtail through your window, you don’t try to fix the window before putting out the fire. If you let the house burn down you can never fix the window.
People like you lack any concept of power and responsibility, or systems and systemic thinking. You’re right dude, it’s me, the only person in the world who could have stopped fascism in the US by voting for Democrats, despite the actual voting numbers severely outnumbering me, and despite the fact that the campaign wasn’t even (singularly) decided by people voting with regards to Palestine, and also despite me literally being in the UK and not having the legal or practical ability to vote in US elections, fucking numbnuts.
The only concept, and the only thing you seem to have the brain power for, is thinking exclusively in terms of individuals who you encounter online that you can shout at for criticising Democrats by suggesting it was their fault Democrats lost. Liberals right now are like someone who sees news of a horrific accident involving a lorry’s brakes malfunctioning, crashing into oncoming traffic, who then go about roaming the streets lashing out at random lorry drivers shouting “YOU DID THIS!!!” as the appropriate response. And if anyone says “people who are in charge of the vehicles should bear some responsibility for the functioning of the lorries” you lash out at the person who says that and claim it’s actually their fault now.
Making the best decision given two options is one of those adulting skills that one must learn.
These stupid excuses and others have made is like not having enough money to cover all your bills so you spend the money on drugs and alcohol.
It’s not cute that you choose escapism and I’m not the bad guy for calling you out.
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I don’t know, ask the Democratic party if ushering in fascism was the solution to not wanting to move away from endorsing genocide. Ask the Democratic party if ushering in fascism was the solution to not wanting to run a campaign that might have put them at odds with the lobbyists who pay them, including Kamalas brother-in-law, Ubers chief legal counsel who helped run the campaign. Ask the Democratic party if ushering in fascism was worth moving right on immigration and trans rights only to lose anyway.
The democratic party didn’t vote Trump in. The people did.
There was absolutely zero chance that any politician with a chance of winning was going to side will Palestine. Full stop. The Harris campaign was the best option anyone had for any semblance of a peaceful resolution to this.
Trump wants to speed run the genocide so he can build a resort.
If Palestine was your single issue that caused you not to vote against fascism, you’re a moron and are complicit in the upcoming genocide in the US. Full stop.
Because look what happened. Did sticking it to the Harris campaign change anything for the better at all?
There was absolutely zero chance that any politician with a chance of winning was going to side will Palestine. Full stop. The Harris campaign was the best option anyone had for any semblance of a peaceful resolution to this.
So there it is. You just get to declare genocide as inevitable to suggest other people shouldn’t or can’t care. It’s always the same fucking bullshit - you’re the noble Palestinian defender with their best interests at heart, whilst declaring them an acceptable target we should just not have to really care about or show any interest in. The typical Democrat approach of “I care about minorities only as far as I can throw them”.
Trump wants to speed run the genocide so he can build a resort.
And according to yourself, Democrats were going to genocide them anyway. So what’s with the faux concern? It was inevitable regardless. Anybody who cared just needed to suck it up and accept mass murder and expulsion of a people. Actually the Democrats lost because you cared too much.
As always, there’s a scapegoat to show the Democrats can never fail. They can only be failed. It was Bernie bros in 2016 that singularly caused the Democrats to lose. Now in 2024 it’s anybody who cared about Palestinians.
If Palestine was your single issue that caused you not to vote against fascism, you’re a moron and are complicit in the upcoming genocide in the US. Full stop.
Again, wild that dipshits like yourself don’t hold Democrats in power to account. Are the Democrats not morons for refusing to budge on genociding Palestinians? Are Democrats not complicit in their actions and their campaigning? Democrats signed on to the Laken Riley act. Fetterman spent months taunting people who cared about Palestinians and calling everyone who criticised Israel terrorist supporters and Hamas. Democrats ran ads saying they’re against trans people whilst also claiming to be defending and speaking for them. They ran anti-immigrant ads talking about immigrants stealing welfare. Kamala when asked about anti-trans laws answered “they should follow the law”.
Because look what happened. Did sticking it to the Harris campaign change anything for the better at all?
Did Democratic leadership sticking it to their base and their voters change anything for the better at all? Look what happened. They still lost even after caping for genocide!
One of the ones in my office openly said there are three words he thinks need to come back “the r-word, the f-word, and you know the other one”. They are emboldened and giddy
The fact that they don’t feel (yet) bold enough to say the actual words when discussing this is telling. I’d love to see them pull that shit in front of the wrong person and get popped in the face.
That person would’ve been me! I heard about it from my work wife
Libs still coping hard from their losing genocidal candidate.
Low effort ragebait.
Weird, why aren’t you complaining about Trump’s genocidal policies now? Why are you still focusing on “the libs”
Oh, is it because you never cared about genocide, and your only goal here is to regurgitate anti-liberal propaganda?
Genocidal…Phhhhffff.
We’ve upgraded to Super Mega Genocidal now!
Proof? I see this claimed constantly with absolutely zero evidence. Some people claim that Trump approved 2,000 lbs bombs that were stopped under Biden, but that isn’t true since Biden never truly stopped them. Biden claimed to have stopped sending 2,000 lbs bombs, but continued to do so anyways during his tenure. What has Trump done outside of enable the same genocide that was already taking place?
Trump is an idiot and a fascist. But I would like to see any evidence that he somehow sped up or made the genocide worse. Even the recent $7.4 billion that Trump approved doesnt compare. Its not even the biggest sale of weapons to Israel this year considering the sale approved under Biden before he left office. How much was the amount Biden sent? It was $8 billion.
Did you not see Trump deciding he was going to just take over the Gaza strip entirely
Only people as intelligent as Trump think that’s going to happen. Israel will never cede land, not even to the US. This is an excuse for Israel to continue leveling and exterminating the Palestinian people as they have been since Oct 7th, 2023 (and prior)
Again, what has Trump actually done that has sped up or armed the genocide that Biden already hasn’t? The way I see it is that it’s the same level of support. The only difference being that Trump is mask off about the entire thing.
We are in the 2nd month of the year. Still 10mths of sales to go, so dont worry. We’ll break that $8B barrier!
I see posts like this every now and then, but I’m not convinced this is happening on any real scale. In fact, most pro-Trumpers I’ve encountered have been making excuses for every shady thing he’s done since taking office as “getting America back on track”
People that say trump supporters are regretting his election really don’t get trump supporters. A HUGE portion of them voted for trump b/c it hurts their opponents. They don’t care how it hurts them just as long as it hurts their opponents.
If there were a hundred thousand articles pushed out for a hundred thousand individuals that still leaves 73 million or whatever willing enablers.
Maybe, MAYBE in his first term they could pull this “oh no we were fooled” crap but not on his second term.
We have a saying in Texas: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on…wait…how does it go again?
Ya can’t…get…fooled again?..
genxers spotted
Ummm…hope so…?
My MiL was one of those people who were initially fooled, but that lasted a week before she realized she fucked up.
This is what they voted for and it’s what everyone who didn’t vote, voted for.
Just because you’re single issue doesn’t mean the politicians are.
Like, people had been screaming at these single issue voter to not do it, yet they did it, everyone is fucked, and they pretend they didn’t do it.
I wouldn’t be this annoyed if it’s some small country but this is US, their policy affect the world. What worst is melon husk trying the same trick on other country as well.
this is US, their policy affect the world.
Yeah that’s a problem with empire. It shouldn’t be doing genocide on the other side of the planet. It’s what people are opposing. #casualimperialsm
🎵If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice🎶
everyone who didn’t vote
Imagine believing that everyone’s vote matters.
You again? Again, nuance…
If they suffer any consequences from their vote, they’ll likely just blame Democrats, or immigrants, or trans people, or [insert scapegoat of the week here].
as I have gotten older, the more and more I realize that the story of 1984 isn’t really a warning for the general masses but more of a warning to those people that are easily manipulated. The two main characters are so compliant in their suffering.
And if they get desperate enough due to the consequences of their actions, they will become violent towards their scapegoat. Let’s not forget that.
This is all exactly what I expected from a second Trump presidency and is exactly what I voted against.
They pre-announced all of this shit with Project 2025.
I haven’t heard any of them say this isn’t what I voted for. Sadly it’s exactly what most of them want. They don’t give a shit if democracy is lost.
Reminds me of the joy when watching interviews with people on the British/Irish border, when they learned they now have to buy their groceries 30 mins further than they were used to. They also said: “we didn’t vote for this”. What do people expect to happen when they vote for something?
It’s weird to see billions of dollars and thousands of media-hours invested into a massive industrial scale propaganda engine. And then, after all of that time and money and manpower, we get a “I can’t believe you fell for it”.
This is regardless of who wins. I remember conservatives smugly insisting their debt-sunk kids and grandkids were idiots for supporting Biden. I remember smug liberals pointing to the shoddy fly-by-night wall building operation on the border and insisting “You fucking idiot border conservatives got what you paid for.” I remember conservatives, in turn, laughing at all the liberals who thought Obama would bring about universal health care and climate change reforms and high speed rail.
Every fucking cycle we get this smug “Haha, you idiots fell for it.”
Remember when Biden was “only one term” and “the most progressive president in history?” His entire career was on the record for us to see what a servile and slimeball of an insider he was. At least with Trump you know you’re getting a bad deal, he wears his sleaze on his sleeve.
At least with Trump you know you’re getting a bad deal
People legit don’t. That’s the unlimited power of the conservative echo chamber. True Conservatives Has Never Really Been Tried is a claim that echoes back to the fucking Nixon Administration. In another eight years, Republicans will be complaining that The Donald was too Woke and insisting Ted Cruz / Ron DeSantis are the only ones brave enough to do Real Conservatism.
Go invest in a ponzi scheme since you like bad deals so much, but don’t drag us into it.
BMTea… clever name, letting everyone know you are the online equivalent of an aid to move the bowels.
There’s a big thread on /r/conservative right now circle jerking about how not concerned they all are and how it’s exactly what they voted for. Sure buddy, come back and say that when something shitty Trump does affects YOU which it certainly will.
Sounds like copium to me.
Yeah it’s definitely something people do when they really believe everything is okay
It’s reprogramming. Carefully orchestrated to normalize fascist behaviors.
Imagine believing that Trump will come for the privileged white bros.
Fascism consumes itself
who do you think is going to be drafted into his expansionist bullshit?
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Where are people seeing these stories? I’m not trying to deny their existence at all, I’m just curious where they are?
I’m a huge fan of irony.
The poster points to this as an example: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/06/trump-arab-americans-dearborn-michigan-00203018
People are apparently surprised that Bibi’s best friend is anti Palestine. Who could’ve known?
I want to point out that we had a couple of brains who run around, called everyone stupid and thought Trump was on the side of Palestine.
I also want to point out that the Dunning Kruger Effect is alive and well here on Lemmy too.
And by “people”… You mean a tiny tiny minority of people victimized by genocide who realistically couldn’t change anything. Yes those are clearly the people to blame. \s
But go on with your self-righteous delusions.
And they’d vote for him again no matter.
Enjoy a moment of schadenfreude… Sure, but understand that it changes nothing.
Seriously. It’s been 10 years of Trump BS antics in the news. If anyone is surprised I have have an oil to sell them that will cure that.
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Liberals love the “Trump supporters are starting to come around and regret their ways” story. Every day for the next 1300+ days they will be posting this. In truth, the people who voted for Trump with enthusiasm (not just contrarianism, fatigue or ignorance) will find any way to spin his policies as a positive or a necessary evil. And frankly, anyone who voted enthusiastically for the Democratic party is capable of the same and demonstrated they too have no moral red lines.
Liberals blah blah! Both sides same! The more Trump burns everything to the ground, the more ridiculous your statements will look. When Trump pulls us out of NATO and Putin starts reaching into the baltics, I imagine you will still be here trying to convince idiots that Biden and the Democrats are the same.
They said that last time too, 75 million people still decided “You know what, at least it’s not a liberal black woman”. Or something about Gaza. At least it wasn’t buttery males this time.
“Oh, then this isn’t what I thought I voted for.”
It’s exactly what you thought you voted for. (They wouldn’t admit that they’re wrong though)
Leopards ate my face
If y’all think leopards are eating the faces of the privileged white people who voted for trump, then you’re even more delusional than usual.
I’m fairly the certain the original post was about someone who has gotten their face eaten by a leopard and tried to claim they had no interest in meeting said leopard for lunch.
Whether or not leopards are, by and large, feasting on faces similar to the original poster’s, I cannot speak to that.
