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Okay here’s my pirate joke.
A ship is sailing the high seas when the crows nest guy calls down, “Pirate ship ahoy!” The captain tells the cabin boy, “Fetch my reddest jacket!” The boy brings the reddest jacket he can find and the captain puts it on. They engage in battle and sink the pirate ship. The boy asks, “Cap’n, why did you call for your red jacket?” The captain says, “So that if I should be wounded in battle the crew would not notice the blood and lose their fighting spirit.”
Next day the crows nest calls down, “Twenty pirate ships ahoy!” The captain tells the cabin boy, “Fetch by brownest pants!”
Well since we’re telling pirate jokes…
A guy is at a party and sees a pirate coming towards him. He notices as the pirate approaches that the pirate has a little wheel sticking out of his pants.
Naturally curious, the guy asks the pirate, “why do you have a little wheel sticking out of your pants?”
“Arr,” says the pirate. “I don’t know, but it be drivin’ me nuts!”
How appropriate! You fight like a cow.
Yes, fun idea. No problem with that but… that ‘flag’ is a sail. They’re different things.
Using a sail to fly your colours is a red flag.
Sus. Having any issue with a red flag meme. /s
Immediate red flag in my book
Those are not flags either, those are pages. smh
I feel like I’m going to fall into one of the Myst ages looking at that book.
A sail is just a giant flag that says “I’m a boat!”
That is a sail…
It’s a multifunctional sail.
Do they also pronounce “human” as “hugh mon?”
If so, that’s a Ferenghi ship.
Not as bad as the ones that call women removeds.
is… Is that a thing?
It’s an incel thing.
It’s very prevalent on 4chan and the like if you want to look at it and be depressed for a bit
I’ve been 4chan-free for a very long time and want to keep it that way.
I don’t even want to look at greentext stuff people post elsewhere.
female as an adjective for clarification (like “oh you’re looking for that female doctor over there”) is ok, female as a noun is just weird
There are contexts where it makes sense, mostly medicine or science, but even in those contexts it’s deliberately dehumanizing, which is the point. It is also the only English word for a female human that does not imply age, as woman and girl both do.
The quick sniff test: “Males and females”? Clinical, but probably fine. “Men and females”? Fucking Ferengi freak, avoid that guy
Unless you’re speaking about (non human) animals. Saying a dog is a female is fine.
Excuse me, but my dog is a lady.
(An obnoxious, clumsy, stupid lady but…)
I knew it! Once I suggested this to someone assuming they’re, like me, not a native speaker, and got downvoted to hell. Turned out I was too woke.
But isn’t calling her a removed also fine in this case?
To be fair, the existence of animal breeders is not fine.
true! connotation is a weird thing.
You people have some weird hangups.
Uterus having creatures
Squishy Chested Humans
Temperamental Beings
Confusing Loud Wind Atronach
Ever Bleeding Never Dying
Human human Grower
I personally like “Men v2.0”
I been wondering people’s opinion of “Female” in some instances. Like is “First Female president/athlete/mayor/lawyer” appropriate? “First woman____” doesn’t sound right and you wouldn’t say “first man athlete to run 2 hour marathon” you would use male.
Most things can be rephrased maybe, but obviously using Females outside these instances is very right wing cringe.
“Female” is fine to use as an adjective.
It’s also fine to use as a noun when describing livestock, which is why it’s a red flag to describe women that way.
What is a good word to use for people who are female of any age including young children that are not old enough to be called women in addition to women?
‘Women and girls’ is pretty clunky when talking about something that is gender specific, but applies to all ages.
boys and men / girls and women sounds right to me
‘Gendered violence against teenage women and girls’ is really clunky. Especially if it needs repeating across paragraphs.
If there isn’t something, that’s fine.
“Gendered violence against females” on the other hand sounds a bit too clinical though… Like you’re removing their personhood
If ‘females’ wasn’t used by online sexists to treat women as objects would it sound that way?
Maybe! I don’t know if “gendered violence against men” also has the same connotations.
Maybe this is indeed is a case of those people poisoning the term.
Women is probably fine to use when the ages can be gleaned from context. You can also make the noun non gendered and use female as a adjective like “female students” or “female patients”
I’m mainly asking when ages span from birth to old age and the goup would basically be “female persons” or “male persons” which is clunky.
Sometimes it can be rephrased, but it often requires multiple words to mean the same thing. Plus “women of all ages” will be read as not including children.
I’m mostly pissed that sexists ruined the only single word term we have for half of the population.
Honestly I don’t think ‘women and girls’ feels clunky, but that’s just me
It is important that when we are addressing issues of sexism, that we try to make sure that the ideas are easily understood by women, men, girls, and boys so that everyone understands how to support equality. If we only focus our effort on men and boys, without recognizing the influence also has on women and girls, then it will not be as successful. For example, the social expectations of women and girls to dress in certain ways is commonly enforced by men, women, girls, and boys even if the influence is only targeted at women and girls. Not to mention the toxic masculinity that is applied to men and boys by men, women, boys, and girls that are commonly reinforced by telling men and boys to ‘man up’ in stressful situations.
You are right, that is smooth as butter.
Just ask yourself if you’d use “males” in that context.
I absolutely would use males in that context. “Toxic masculinity has a detrimental affect on males of all ages” sounds perfectly fine to me because I don’t know of a different label for the group and males doesn’t have the same dehumanizing usage as females.
Male is literally the same kind of word just for the opposite sex/gender; the term specifically points out the ability to produce sperm (in many dimorphic species) for the purposes of reproducing with the opposite sex. It’s literally just saying “your distinguishing characteristic is your ability to inseminate another of your species” and is just as dehumanizing.
The reason you would use it in that context is because it’s “[gender specific noun] of all ages.” Where if you were to say “boys of all ages” or “men of all ages” it would imply either all ages under 18 or all ages at or over 18.
This is the same context in which you would use female as a noun, as girl/woman implies a restricted age range, just as boy/man, when you specifically don’t want one.
Doesn’t “men and boys” have exactly the same meaning though?
I don’t feel deshumanized for being called a male.
Disclaimer: I don’t use the noun “female” because I know some find it offensive.
Woman as an adjective is picking up in my circles and podcasts I listen to. Woman scientist, woman entrepreneur. It may have sounded weird initially, but I’ve gotten over it and I suspect it will develop over time to be completely normal.
I wouldn’t really compare it to the male/man counterpart, because men aren’t demeaned by being called “male” regularly.
Woman used as an adjective like this sounds so wrong to me (probably because it isn’t an adjective). If you wouldn’t say man voter, man driver, men reporters, etc., then why would you say woman voter, women drivers, woman reporter? Just because some people use ‘female’ in a way that you object to shouldn’t make all uses of it objectionable. Do you want a world in which we can say ‘male patients’, but have to say ‘woman and girl patients’ instead of female patients? Why??
I agree it works in most cases it works fine but like “First woman astronaut” feels weird.
I mostly didn’t want to be accidentally participating in something shitty.
Edit: or like “fastest woman athlete”
Yeah, I remember feeling like it was weird, but both of those sound absolutely fine to me now.
I also would never balk at “female” as an adjective in those cases, nor assume the speaker was being misogynist.
I think both kinda sound equally weird because we for a lot of words like astronaut, the astronaut is already assumed to be male unless otherwise indicated. So male astronauts or man astronauts both sound clunky and kinda weird, and the weirdness translates over when you start indicating the astronaut is a woman by saying “woman astronaut” or “female astronaut.”
The English language, and historical baggage just kinda fucked us on this one. We used to add ‘ess’ to the ends of words to indicate gender, but that was dropped outside of the use of waitress or actress for the most part. Not sure why that stopped, but I’m sure it’s interesting and I’m going to go look it up later.
I wonder if the joke would work better if it actually was a black background. This might also keep the ‘its a sail’ gang happier.
I can’t remember how many times I’ve heard women refer to “males” but if we call them females that’s offensive?
Who the hell are you hanging out with? I’d say the term female is used way more often than male.
The American left has gone just as insane and extremist as the right. Here in Canada we’re wondering what you people are on. Even my wife says you’re an idiot if you’re offended by the word “female”.
The American left has gone just as insane and extremist as the right.
Maybe stop consuming so much biased news?
Yeah we aren’t insane in my country like you guys. We’re watching from the outside, and you guys are utterly blind and lack any sense of personal responsibility
…I’m Canadian
Then stop jerking off to American politicians
The pot calling the kettle black?
Even my wife says you’re an idiot if you can’t understand that language is constantly changing and evolving. Female has become an undesirable work to use to describe women, as it’s so often used by incels and other undesirable groups of people. In combination with the fact that female describes one’s junk, not how they identify, it just isn’t a good word to use when you’re actually talking about women.
Yet many many women disagree with you. So maybe don’t be such an authoritarian and hateful towards those that aren’t as “enlightened” as you. I’m sure your farts smell like cinnamon, that’s why you think you’re better than everyone. That’s one of the big issues with today’s left and why the older ones think you’re nuts, you’re all so hateful and talk down to everyone and demand, with very fascist authority, that everyone to follow your view.
Someone should really tell everyone from the south. I had no idea until it was pointed out to me by someone younger. Changed my behavior of course, but was simply ignorant before.
A lot of people use certain words just out of habit, the last thing you need is some SJW jumping down your throat and calling you names cause they don’t like your regional dialect. Lots of words I grew up with that were normal or not that bad, and now are considered super offensive. It’s not a malicious thing, all you can do is calibrate and learn, but some people get so worked up if you don’t use the words they’re used to
Why did you refer to it as shoving something down your throat?
I don’t get why the saying is “shoving it down your throat” or “jumping down your throat” when it’s more like shoving it down your ear canal. You don’t eat what people are saying 🤔
Maybe YOU don’t… (don’t judge me!:-P)
Ferengi off the port bow.
Thank you! This is always the first thing that pops into my head whenever I read somebody using “females” instead of “women”
Or they are just non-native english speakers
Yeah, but those people don’t get defensive when you comment on it, while those who are raising the red flag immediately do. It’s pretty easy to tell them apart from that point forward.
What a sweetheart you are. Can’t even let a webcomic get away with not being inclusive.
Pretty sure non natives will be the first ones to use “woman” and not “female”. I know it’s not something we say in French anyway, a woman is a woman.
a woman is a woman
Problematic part
Blague à part, il existe d’autres langue (non-indo-européennes) ou la distinction est moins aisée à faire. Par exemple en Hongrois on dit “nő” pour “femme” et “nőstény” pour “femelle”, mais on peut les interchanger dans certains cas et les traducteurs automatiques s’y emmêlent les pinceaux des fois.
Intéressant à savoir!
These very same people would have no problem calling women ‘people that birth’.
