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“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.
“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”
“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.
“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”
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Jesus Christ still more sharp than Trump or Biden. We got fuckin robbed, man.
Twice too.
Thrice you might say, considering we could have had a primary this time too but for Biden’s hubris
I’m not sure he would have ran again even if Biden stepped down in the most graceful way possible to be honest. The second time he ran I remember him saying a large part of why he did was because people kept telling him how much they felt the country needed him, while he himself was having doubts on his ability to fill the office in his age, or weighing the amount of stress it would bring, and even looking at his vote totals and wondering if the country even wanted him as president. He’s gotta be tired, and my take on Sanders these past 8 years is if Trump didn’t exist he’d have been a happily retired grandpa, and he’s just trying to do whatever he thinks has the best chance to stop Trump and American Fascism in general. This perspective seems to make a lot of things line up including this verbal thrashing of his. He does have access to communication with top democratic play-makers, who knows how long hes been telling them something like this.
He specifically said he wouldn’t iirc.
I must have missed that but I believe it.
https://apnews.com/article/bernie-sanders-biden-endorsement-2024-d8f0772b117e2bf83e1062708ea651c0
On Tuesday, he said that he would not run and he discouraged any another high-profile progressive candidates from doing so either.
The safe, sane choice lost. I say we fight crazy with crazy.
Robbed twice, still tries to help people. Can’t say that about most politicians.
Now is about the time of year I remember to say “Fuck Debbie Wasserman Shultz”
Still upset she moved up in positioning in the party. Genuinely feels like she cheated and won with zero consequences.
She’s probably on AIPAC payroll. Can’t upset America’s boss.
AIPAC gave her more than 400k this year alone.
geez you weren’t kidding
Several other Democrats who voted to censure Tlaib were among the top recipients of AIPAC funds in November, including Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz ($141,058) (link)
and that was in January. If it’s any consolation, the evil is slowly draining her life away it seems.
2016 :
2023:
Genuinely feels like she cheated and won with zero consequences.
Seems like that’s going around a lot these days.
Yeah. The Democrats really screwed the pooch on that one. He’s a solid candidate, and has stood on his moral stance from before the Democrats recognized the issues that are now popular.
Sorely needed, sorely missed.
Yes. But this is not news… We’ve known this for years.
They keep giving us candidates nobody fucking wants and keep being surprised when they lose
And then it creates all this infighting where we’re all blaming each other for being Bernie bros or third party protest voters when in reality it’s the regular joes on the street who need to be convinced to give a fuck about their candidate, not terminally online hyperpolitical dweebs
The democrats are just gonna keep losing and our climate is going to slip deeper and deeper past the point of no return. Earths climate, our political climate, our social fabric, all of it. Slowly but surely being pissed down the drain because Joe Biden thought he should run despite middling approval ratings and massive health concerns, leaving us with literally zero choice but to back Harris once he inevitably stepped down. Because we had so called “superdelegates” choosing our candidates for us in the 2016 election when we were actually able to finally build a massive grassroots movement spearheaded by the Sanders campaign.
We’re gonna keep losing, and we’re gonna keep blaming each other, and the ruling class are just gonna keep sinking their claws deeper into what used to be ours.
I’ll see you all again in four years, same time, same place, same fucking rigamarole
It’s why I stopped voting altogether. Last time I voted in general elections was 2008. Last time I primaried was for Bernie in 16. Only time I ever donated money, too.
Fuck the Democrats. They made it clear they want Republican voters more than than they want me
Don’t vote, don’t get to complain.
Not saying that you have to vote when you dislike the options given. But you do have other options. Like spoiling your ballot, or nullify your ballot.
Yes the results are the same, but by voting this way, you are actively participating in your democratic process. While not voting at all you are not. And if you do not participate, in my view, you cannot complain about the results.
Oh and if you don’t know how, on election day just ask the poll workers. They should’ve been trained on how to handle it.
Nullifying a ballot… So you say I should get off my sofa and go all the way to town to nullify my ballot?
LOL no I’ll just sit at home and make liberals cry tears of anger while they feign enthusiasm for their dogshit candidate
It’s why I stopped voting altogether.
Thanks for letting me no to never pay attention to anything you say.
And thanks for not letting me pay attention to you. lol
You really can’t keep blaming the voters guys, it the politician and surprise surprise you can can’t force an entire party’s nominee without a proper primary
If they didn’t vote, they’re not a voter. Non-voters get their fair share of the blame, and non-voters who want to complain get shamed.
What if I voted differently from how you want me to vote?
How I “want” you to vote is pragmatically. If you vote 3rd party in a FPTP election, you’re pragmatically indistinguishable from a non-voter.
If you’re a leftist, the pragmatic strategy is to recognize the ratchet effect and vote for the “halt movement” party over the “full send fascism” party. It’s much easier to push leftist policies and promote leftist representatives under a neo-liberal regime than under a fascist one. At the absolute minimum the neo-liberals decelerate the plunge into fascism.
Neoliberalism IS fascism
Liberals seem to get real uppity when you remind them how actual holders of leftist beliefs in the general US population are almost nonexistent and all third party votes added together wouldn’t have saved Harris.
Although if liberals were capable of using logic, they wouldn’t be liberals. You even see it in their hilarious Lemmy tantrums, they are genuinely so confused and lost.
If only leftists were there saying exactly what they were doing wrong and exactly what would happen for literally the last four years.
Oh wait. We were. Weird how Marx and Lenin continue to be proven right by history again and again.
You might want to check your own logic there.
Liberal tears have been very tasty today. Salter than usual
Help me parse this logic. I’m having trouble figuring out how “Leftists are much too small and insignificant a demographic to make a meaningful difference in elections, therefore Democrats should implement leftist political strategy” makes any sense.
“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said in a statement Wednesday. “First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”
Dems 100% sold them out and assumed they’d still vote D as long as a handful of issues were different.
The worse the Republicans got, the worse Dems got. Because they could get away with it and it increased donations.
The thing is it just energizes republicans and depresses Dem turnout.
If the goal is winning elections is a terrible strategy.
If you only care about money and the election is just a grift to you tho, it’s a win/win. The result of the election doesn’t really matter.
There was never really that much risk of Dems losing voters to the Repubs (at least as long as Trump was the R candidate). The real damage came from Dems losing enthusiasm.
This. I just had a very long argument with someone else that completely and utterly failed to grasp this simple concept. Trump ran as the most conservative conservative ever and his base loved him for it. Harris ran as the most conservative liberal ever and her base gritted their teeth and grudgingly trudged to the polls. And then the DNC is shocked and flabbergasted that they didn’t get a better turnout.
Centrists will never understand that when you run to the right, the right doesn’t buy it and the left believes you.
The thing that has driven me crazy for so long is this is the situation in America.
There are 70M Americans that will vote Republican and nothing will ever change their minds
There are 70M Americans that will vote Democrat and nothing will ever change their minds
There are a couple million independent undecided voters that everyone goes after
Then there are 100M+ people that sit out the election and no one seems to try to understand what would make them vote. It’s so crazy that we have just decided that there are red states and blue states and that’s how it is. A party that could retain some of either party while activating half the people that sit out would be a force to reckon with.
As the Democratic Party has tried to find some way to win again they have gone after which group? The handful of independents and the 70M republicans that aren’t going to vote for them ever. And the people sitting it out probably aren’t looking for them to shift right, if so they would be republicans.
I think this is a bit naive. Both partys will have done their homework and have a fairly good idea what it is those disenfranchised voters want. The problem is is what they want is at odds with what the party’s big donors want.
Naive is the Democratic party’s current position of favoring those donors over voters.
I understand that they’ve done a cynical calculus and decided to leave those voters on the sidelines. It is a failing strategy that successfully got them billions of dollars and lost the election.
It is not that I do not understand the deeper reason, it is that I reject it as a failure.
The deeper reason is that they believe in a highly hierarachical society in which they have earned the right to be in the top strata. That’s why they chase the big donors. That’s why their calculations will always put themselves and their grip on power above: the basic needs of impoverished Americans; or the lives of innocent civilians getting bombed out of existance; or future generations that will inherit our strung out eco system; and about countless other maladies and evils that beset our tettering civilisation.
They are not leftwing, they are the corporate bulwark against leftwing ideas. They are not big tent, they promulgate a very narrow reading of reality to the benefit of their paymasters.
In this we agree.
The democrats are just the blue colored boot of the oligarchs.
You mean to say that Dick Cheney’s endorsement didn’t excite the base?
To be fair, they should’ve voted Dem, but instead sat out against their own best interest.
The electorate is incredibly fucking stupid.
The strategy made sense to anyone with half a brain. It seems I overestimated the median American, though.
You’re right. Lot of people sat out because of inflation, which was driven by corporate greed, which of course a Republican is not going to address. The electorate needs a fucking education. Prices have stopped climbing aggressively. They’re not going to go back down. Wage growth is the next step, which is another thing a Republican will not address. Americans cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Dems had 3 years and change to address insane profiteering and price gouging that started with COVID “supply chain issues” which was wrapped under the guise of inflation and record profits. Where’s that bill again?
Kamala made 1 mention of a plan to scrutinize this issue and then backed down because of some potential backlash.
There’s education and there’s gaslighting. Your point is the latter.
Remind me again when Biden had a supermajority in Congress?
Edit: That’s what I thought.
Then their job was to be sure we all knew they were not ignoring it even if there was little they could do.
Their job was to demonstrate that they knew what was happening, had a plan to address it, and their plan was being blocked by politicians who had none of that. They didn’t even try and i don’t think they ever really wanted to. Same with Obama bailing out the banks and leaving the regular people with the bill during the financial crash of 2008. (That was in no small part Bush’s fault, but he didn’t even try something different.)
Just didn’t get to responding to this ignorant take.
Dems’ job is go out and get votes by appealing to their voters. The fact that Dems haven’t had a super majority in the decades past as our protections, economy and civil liberties are under attack means that they are absolutely terrible at their jobs and you just made my point for me.
You clearly didn’t think anything through. :-)
Haha it took you this long to come up with this shit take?
Better give yourself a month next time.
Nah, I actually have a life.
You can clearly use one. Maybe leave mommy’s basement once in a while? ;-)
I would vote for Bernie in a heartbeat.
He seems to always be on the right side of history, he understands the root causes of our national crises, and he has solutions.
Problem: Two-party system, voter apathy.
Solution: Ranked choice voting, remove electoral college (popular vote interstate compact).
Problem: Bought elections.
Solution: Repeal Citizens United.
Problem: Federal deficit spending.
Solution: Reform government contracts with private corpos so we’re not getting gouged. Repurpose military budget. Tax the rich.
Problem: Ignorant and misinformed voting population.
Solution: More school funding, pay teachers more.
Problem: All surplus value is siphoned away from the working class.
Solution: Tax incentives for employee-owned companies. More support for unions.
Problem: Consumer price gouging.
Solution: Break up monopolies, punish anti-competitive behavior.
Problem: Irresponsible banking.
Solution: Un-repeal Glass-Steagall.
Problem: Expensive healthcare.
Solution: Universal healthcare. Don’t even try to tell me we can’t afford it.
None of that stuff is going to happen, unfortunately, not while the Rs control everything. And it’s not official but it looks like they’re going to win the house too. So they’re going to run buckshot on this country with no one to stop them. They’ll control all 3 branches.
None of it happened while Ds had any modicum of control either. Bernie represents what the democratic party should be, not what it is and has been. They pivoted hard to the status quo and we are footing the bill.
I honestly feel like this must be how partys flip. The Democrats are the Republicans of the seventies, the new conservative party.
Now, I’ll be the first to admit that the Republican party hasn’t exactly moved left, and is the biggest hole in my theory. Who knows maybe this populism will pave a path forward for them.
The Republican party has moved left in rhetoric. The promise to fix everything and put America first. Create all the jobs. The best economy!
The will not do it. But that is irrelevant.
not while the Rs control everything
Uh, Bernie was blocked by the democrats, not the republicans.
Hey I just wanted to say that this is a great post. It really shows how little Hilary, Biden, and now Harris brought to the table
It’s crazy how the DNC only wants to appeal to moderates, and Republicans cross the aisle, after witnessing how Trump performs
yeah but how can we get any of those solutions when fascists keep getting elected?
I think ranked choice voting and the popular vote interstate compact can happen at the state level. Just needs more local campaigning.
Then people would feel more empowered to vote for who they really want. I think that would be a big push towards nominating an actual progressive candidate.
I don’t think I agree with you about deficit spending because actually it’s not clear that some degree of a deficit is bad. The country does print its own money, so what you have written down in a spreadsheet might look scary but actually be less so.
In other words, what’s true for a business or for an individual is often not true for a country that has its own mint.
Repeal Taft-Hartley and pass the PRO Act while we’re at it
Considering multiple blue states just voted against RCV, and the majority of the country voted to put even more ultra-conservative SCOTUS judges on the court, I’m not sure he is on the right side of history.
History is being written right now, soon to be dictated by Donald Trump, and recorded through the lens of Donald Trump. What will the fascist schoolbooks written by the Texas board of education say to remember the people who stood up against Trump?
Bernie Sanders is talking that shit.
Almost like he could have saved this whole scenario in 2016. Fuckin DNC kiss the ring Hillary bullshit.
At this point I’d be in favor of him just starting a podcast and enjoying retirement. The left has to go around the DNC to effectively deliver their message, it’s foolish to think otherwise.
The dnc should all fall on their sword politically and admit that it would been better today had they given being their blessing and support when it would have mattered.
Then give Bernie power in the dnc to craft the future of the party. Find a new direction while there’s still time
He’s 83. It’s best for him to leverage his celebrity than to really hunker down with an administrative role. If Trump can find true believers best believe the good guys can.
It’s cute to read all of these comments attempting to strategize without realizing that it’s all moot in a P2025 world.
We are fucked. It’s too late to discuss realigning for “the next election,” because there will never be a (fair) one ever again.
You are demoralized, i get it
Yeah. I am. What is your point?
If you or anyone else thinks what I’m saying is hyperbolic, then I want you to remember this exchange in 6 to 12 months.
If germany is an ally today the US then its never too late to keep fighting.
But you are absolutely entitled to feel like its pointless. Its not true, one might even say there has never been a fair election since the creation of the electoral college.
To say there will never be another fair election is hyperbolic.
I’ve probably got another 35 years, 67 more if im really lucky, you will have to give me more than 6 to 12 months.
I genuinely hope this doesnt cause a new civil war or worldwar. But im not willing to bet it isnt a precipice that has just been driven past, im waiting for a fall
You do know what had to happen to Germany for it to become what it is after WW2, right?
It was basically destroyed, and the allies rebuilt it. That shit ain’t happening again.
I’ve probably got another 35 years, 67 more if im really lucky
That seems like a really big spread. I’ve probably got another 30, but nowhere near 60 even if I"m really lucky, unless I’m like “statistical outlier” lucky.
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Why isn’t he running for president? Or he just never won the primaries?
In related news:
In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, “I knew—everybody knew—that this was not a fair deal.”
Because the dnc would rather lose running center right to right wing policies than be actually progressive.
Snubbed by Dnc royalty wanting to play it safe.
If only he did it in the first place instead of campaigning for them
This man has always cooked. I wish Dems had the ball to let him have the ticket both times he was snubbed despite cooking what needed to cooked.
He’d still be president if they hadn’t shafted him in 2016, I’m sure of it.
Damn ivory tower liberal dems.
They aren’t even liberals. They don’t have the guts anymore to be actual liberals. They’re slaves to their corporate owners.
I don’t buy this. In Nebraska there was an election between an independent union leader and a career politician. The union leader lost.
The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
In Nebraska
Uh, that’s your answer. It’s not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds, but in a presidential election that’s by default 50/50?
If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win? This isn’t magic or rocket science. Many people thought democrats were responsible for the high inflation because they don’t know macro economics.
I think what’s missing is the anger. Trump can tap into anger. Bernie could also. The independent didn’t have the base of anger that the GOP did
Anger definitely motivated some but I know many moderates that were convinced democrats were responsible for the inflation.
But they were right! Dems did contribute to inflation (not as much as Trump but still)…Student loan forgiveness not explicitly tied to higher taxes on rich and corps, cutting back on subsidies to defense, oil, and corn syrup, while also not breaking up monopolies which create an environment of price gouging gave merit to the “democrats give out free cash and devalue it all”
Democrats did cause inflation. They did it by not clipping the wings of our oligarchs when supplying aid.
Biden kept his promise “nothing will fundamentally change” and the American electorate unimpeachably rejected it.
The main thing with Sanders campaign was it didn’t feel like a “democrats” vs “republicans”
It was us vs the billionaires
But the DNC could never bear to alienate their biggest donors.
Biden was calling out price gouging throughout his whole presidency.
Harris lost this election because she said she was going to tax the billionaires and so they funded the campaign against her.
For you to throw her under the bus after the billionaires campaigned against her is just going to ensure no future politicians will challenge the billionaire class again.
Harris had more billionaire donors than Trump and she out-raised him almost by $700 million. Of course there was plenty of dark money floating around and Musk dropped a ton of money into Pennsylvania, but don’t act as if Biden and Harris were working class darlings. Calling out price gouging is all good and well, and realistically, there’s only so much the president can do legally to combat inflation, but he did have the bully pulpit and a little bit of lip service to price gouging was not enough obviously. He could’ve been out there daily essentially doxing these companies and their ceos putting the fear of God in them.
Populism is a dirty word to the establishment, but both Trump and Bernie are populists. In fact, the first part of their message is essentially the same: America is going to shit, the Economy is terrible, and you’re getting fucked. The difference, of course, is that Trump points the finger at immigrants and others as the reason why this happening, while Bernie points the finger at the Oligarchs. The true power of populism is the threat of using the majority against the minority. It’s why it can lead to violence and mob rule.
People want someone to pay for the pain they are feeling, Trump is doing that, although of course it’s completely misguided and fucked up. The Democrats are not willing to do that. At some point, they’re going to need a Teddy Roosevelt like figure who comes along and essentially says to them, “hey listen I know it’s crazy, but if we don’t do something about the wealth inequality and the ruling class, we’re all gonna get our heads chopped off.”
If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win?
He had the albatross of a poor up-ballot candidate around his neck. Same reason most Democrats lost: The party didn’t get people to go out and vote because they didn’t appeal to workers, which hurt every candidate that wasn’t Republican.
Voters are literally saying it was because of inflation during Biden presidency.
Democrats lost because they planned to tax the billionaire class so the billionaires funded the campaign against them.
Except Democrats outspent Republicans by a large margin. This wasn’t an election lost from a lack of donations.
Donations are on the books. Things like Elon Musk buying votes are not on the books. The billionaire class did not want Harris to tax them.
It’s not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds
Sorry, I guess I should have said this twice. You don’t win Nebraska just by touching up the progressive message a little. Propaganda still exists, party loyalty still exists, racism still exists. But he did a hell of a lot better than any slow and steady liberal candidate would do. And in races that aren’t in deep red states, doing better is enough to win.
Why are you still here? The election is over, you got what you wanted. Just fucking leave.
Fuck off.
The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
What consensus is saying this? Outside of Latino men and first time voters shifting to Trump, most analysis (so far) is that the Democrats lost around 10-15 million votes from 2020, compared to Trump losing only 2 million. If all the Dems/Undecideds moved to Trump, he would have not lost voters.
What was the Red vs Blue turnout in Nebraska in 2020 vs 2024, I bet that would go a long way to explain why the union leader lost.
Agreed. That “consensus” is another bs talking point to cover up that they yet again alienated their own voters to appease their masters.
because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
yeah, that’s problem all around the world, people are too dumb to understand how two years of covid and ongoing war in europe affects our lives and demand that someone just takes care of it.
so in a year we will get populist pro-russian billionaire prime minister who will just start dropping more inflation money around and tells people “see? i will take care of you!” (while stealing some of these money for himself, of course)
And Harris was too stupid to just come out and say that she’d do that. Not Trump though. See that huge sign behind him at rallies? “Trump will fix it”.
The dem strategy should have been to bombast like Trump, but more. Make America greatER. Would have really taken the wind or of his sails, IMO.
yeah, i don’t think that trying to out-idiot an idiot is valid strategy, especially if you don’t aim at stupid voters.
First of all, it is hard to beat career politicians. They have a track record, experience. Second, you’re in Nebraska. Third, and most importantly, the goal is not for a single person to win, but to build a strong organization that will make people’s lives better, and that would over time get more people to vote, because they would understand that it matters.
In other words, big corporate Democrats are mediocre at best, and often much worse than that, so of course people stay home. But if you think they’re the wave of the future, hey, do whatever you like.
First of all, it is hard to beat career politicians.
This counters what Bernie said.
Second, you’re in Nebraska.
I’m not in Nebraska. Just giving one of many examples of politicians that support the working class losing because of the billionaire class.
Third, and most importantly, the goal is not for a single person to win, but to build a strong organization that will make people’s lives better, and that would over time get more people to vote, because they would understand that it matters.
Scapegoating the democrats that tried to tax the billionaire class prevents this from happening.
But if you think they’re the wave of the future, hey, do whatever you like.
I don’t think they’re the wave of the future. I think the billionaire class countered Harris because they didn’t want to be taxed like she laid out in her plans and now people are trying to scapegoat them, ensuring it will be less likely that the next person will try it again. Just like the billionaire class wants.
don’t worry, we’ll replay that record again in a year while they blame biden again
They need to swing for the fences more. Don’t just bring forward the items that might pass, bring up the bills that really matter, again and again, and put that in an ad. I’m probably more politically in-tuned than most voters (clearly) and I only know of ONE vote to raise the minimum wage during Bidens term. It should’ve been a dozen votes and then Dems get to say they were fighting for the working class while the GOP gets paid to show up and say “No” to everything.
Yeah I forget who said it but I remember a commentator in 2016 complaining that Democrats seemed afraid to get out their and really be Democrats. But TBH I felt like Kamala was doing that.
That party of the Roosevelt is gone since the Clintons showed up. It’s market-based solutions organization nothing. If you don’t like it, you can forfeit your tax rebate
They need to swing for the fences more.
“That ain’t my style,” said Casey. “Strike one!” the umpire said.
Are you referring to the upcoming lame duck session? Because Dems have a couple of months to try that, and then it looks like the openly fascist GOP is going to control all three branches of our federal government.
We don’t deserve Bernie. He’s to pure to be infected by being president. With that said, I’d give my left nut to see Bernie in the oval office
The typo is staying just to annoy you grammar nazis. I know the difference in to, too, two. You can suck our collective too nuts
If it meant my testicle for un-gerrymandering the voting districts, ranked-choice voting, and abolishing “first-past-the-post”, you can call me the one nut wonder, brother.
I’ll pitch in my right for a full pair
Deal. Now we just gotta talk to Bernie and present our collective nuts
The Democratic Engagement to Elect Sanders. DEES nuts, we could even call it!
🥲 its beautiful
“collective nuts” Ha!
I throw in my sack to contain these two donated nuts.
I commend you and your naked testicles. A woman should be so lucky. Praise be sailor, Praise be
And my ovaries!
He’s to pure
He’s too* pure
We need to MAGA up the liberals. They think liberals were insufferable before, we about had enough of this establishment bullshit.
Ngl, Neoliberal Populism sounds bad.
It’s sucks so bad. So fucking bad.
Authoritarian Left sounds bad too, but it would nice if they executed the rule of law instead of making excuses to remain politically neutral.
I don’t know about MAGA, but the Democratic party definitely needs to go hard into the same kind of obstructionism that the Republicans have been doing. No validation of insane policies, no negotiating with terrorists.
And when everyone accuses the Democrats of not cooperating, they need to just stay quiet and stay the course. For the next four years, the legislature is closed.
Republicans can be evil and Democrats work with them an compromise on killing half of them.
Democrats consider maybe paying postal workers and Republicans stop it and cry how it’s unconstitutional to have people paid for their labor.
If the Democrats got a spine and told Republicans “Just shut up, you complained about breaking segregation.” And get things done, we’d be a fucking utopia.
No. Don’t stay quiet. Blame the Republicans!
I saw on one of the newscasts on election night that the overturning of Chevron deference is going to come back to kneecap the whole GOP agenda because they’ll have to pass all their (de)regulatory changes through Congress which will be, as you say, closed.
I’m pretty sure that’s what we were trying to do back in 2016, but it was her turn.
No
Check reddit and .world and you’ll see the people doing that.
Nah, I’m good. Been punk rock long enough to know it’s just gonna be the thing to hate. Just planning in my head how the subversion works this time. I just hope they tear it ALL down this time and stop f’ing around.
Yeah dude so punk rock man!
Jesus fucking Christ we are all doomed
I fucking love Bernie. He needs a protege.
Not positive, but I think AOC is the closest thing right now in terms of message and visibility.
She should start a Democratic Socialist party as a leader, with Bernie as the spiritual leader/Grandpa. Start convincing sitting Democrats to switch parties. Now is the time
Too soon. Wait 2 years.
Waiting is never a good strategy.
It can be if your opponent is looking to hang you first chance they get.
unsurprisingly, I think bernie does not care and would only consider the safety of others involved.
to my thinking, anyone involved should be willing to commit to the idea that this revolution wont come through evolution and wont be televised.
The best time would have been 7-8 years ago. The second best time is now.
Incrementalism’s ultimate goal is to see “too soon” become “too late.”
And get executed by Project 2025 Brown shirts…
You people really do not get it.
Pretty sure AOC is why centrists are announcing that Harris lost because she’s a woman and a minority.
AOC
You guys need a labor party
You guys should get better red
Then why are you showing a worse one?
At least this one will get everyone education, healthcare, housing, welfare and public transport.
We have a nascent left-wing movement in the local governments of many cities. It’s loose and relatively unorganized but it’s more than we’ve had in decades. Bernie’s run in 2016 has a lot to do with that.
Our primary election turnout is abysmal, and Americans need to realize that the primaries are how the parties get reformed. Maybe the Democratic Party will have its Tea Party moment in 2026.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.
Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government
In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.
Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.
2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3
In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.
2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.
I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous
2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3
And you bet your ass they’ll appoint them as young as possible so they’ve got their pocket justices for another 40 or 50 years.
Imagine a time traveller appearing in 2020 and trying to convince everyone they needed to reelect Trump
While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.
Goddamn this hits the exact thing that Democrats really need to learn.
There’s a ton of emotion in this nation. Given:
- The opioid crisis where the people responsible are in perpetual litigation.
- The wars we fought that costed us deaths of young people who had lives ahead of them, and scarred millions more. All so that a few rich asshats could profit.
- The corruption of large companies as they swindle the working class, only to watch legislators continue to profit off of insider trading.
And that’s just to name a few. There’s a ton of emotion in this nation. And Trump, for better or worse, taps into that emotion. The cut and dry democrats, they keep telling us, “The system will work, this time” and you have a public that just screams “well how soon is now then?”
Democrats cannot just keep tapping on the system as it currently stands when the system so obviously doesn’t deliver. There are hungry democrats looking for change to the system to form a more better system that will serve them, and the party just keeps dressing the bones of the long gone bird from days long pass.
Sanders fucking sinks the nail in a single stroke of the hammer on this. And Republicans are using that emotion, that pent up distrust of the system as it is, to move people in their direction. The entire point of this living government is to have a government, to have a system, that matches the people who are alive and having to deal with it. Sanders sees that and cut and dry Democrats keep going “but Trump will ruin the system that doesn’t work for you!!”
Goddamn, one day, they will learn. Democrats will pick up on what Sanders is saying one day. But holy shit, they are going to clearly take an incredibly long and winding road to get there. I don’t agree with where Republicans want to take us. I don’t agree with how Republicans want to get there. But goddamn, we’ve got to hand it to them that they’re actively pointing out the exact same thing the Sanders is pointing out. “Status Quo ain’t going to fucking work anymore.” The sooner the traditional Democrats learn that, the faster they can come back to being relevant.
The single best thing the Dems can do now is take a chapter out of the Republican playbook and obstruct everything, full tilt, no good barred. Inject themselves into everything, all committees, panels, investigations, reviews, etc, and block. See how much Trump can accomplish when the shoe’s on the other foot.
Tbh, unless Wasserman-Schultz and the other imbecilic DNC royalty step down or are made to fuck all the way off somehow, I don’t think the Democratic Party is going to recover from this. And in that case, frankly, they shouldn’t recover. This result is absolutely, unambiguously damning.
Again with this talk about strategy as if any of it is going to matter in 3 months when they start executing people
I mean… I don’t think you’re wrong, but I also think it’s useful to make contingency plans for cases OTHER than the most likely worst-case scenario.
Goddamn, one day, they will learn. Democrats will pick up on what Sanders is saying one day.
In the next government, we’re not having elections thanks to Harris botching it for everyone. The RBG of presidential candidates. Thinking you know best until it’s too late and now we need to plan for the fact you made things worse.
The RBG of presidential candidates.
If holding on too long is RBG’s legacy, then wouldn’t Biden be the RBG of presidential candidates? He held on until after the primaries before dropping out.
Fair enough, point taken.
The “shut up and fall in line while we do nothing for you” bullshit is what got them. Add a full support for a genocide and doing nothing to stop it. A lot of people voted for Trump out of spite to the Dems. They know Trump is worse, but they got burnt by the Dems so many times and they’re done with them. I personally voted Harris, but in the back of my mind this is the very last time I’m voting for the " lesser of two evils". I’m just fucking done.
