today I am going to manufacture drones in my civilian apartments while conscripting their elderly drunk family members to die before the mercenary cannon fodder. Now give me your tax money for my nazi overlords! Slabba Poopani!
this seems like a thought that should have just stayed in your head. just being real.
Meh. I clarified a bit more but as I said, every dog has it’s day with a unpopular opinion.
I don’t. I wish for Russia to liberate Ukraine. Most Ukrainians are not Nazis, they are themselves victims of the Nazi regime, even if some of them are deeply brainwashed. It’s easy to blame average Ukrainians for not rising up against the regime that is conscripting them and prolonging a war that is destroying their country, but it always looks easier in theory, looking from the outside. In reality it is very hard to stand up against a brutal fascistic dictatorship like that. Many have tried and those who do end up tortured to death.
Russia definitely has more than enough justification to view every civilian apartment as a potential legitimate military target due to how often the Ukrainians themselves have bragged about and posted pictures of themselves using them for drone assembly/storage. Nevertheless i am glad that Russia does not indiscriminately strike random apartments because the chance is still very high that it would just hurt innocent people. And from a practical perspective, that would be counter-productive as it would mean more Ukrainians volunteering to fight.
And don’t forget that there are also underground partisan cells in Ukraine of people who sympathize with Russia and engage in sabotage and act as informers giving Russia co-ordinates of military targets. Russia waging the war in the careful and limited way that they do helps keep that good will with Ukrainians inclined to be sympathetic, especially when Russia minimizes civilian casualties and instead hits, for instance, conscription offices that have been terrorizing Ukrainians, that increases the number of Ukrainians giving targeting info to the Russians.
At the end of the day, Russians and Ukrainians are still one people and it doesn’t make sense for Russia to wage war against the civilian population that they want, once the war is over, to be able to break free from the Russia-hating Nazi ideology they have been indoctrinated with for decades. Also, practically everything in Ukraine was built by either Russians or Soviets, and it would be a shame to destroy all that previous generations have built.
I don’t. I wish for Russia to liberate Ukraine. Most Ukrainians are not Nazis, they are themselves victims of the Nazi regime, even if some of them are deeply brainwashed. It’s easy to blame average Ukrainians for not rising up against the regime that is conscripting them and prolonging a war that is destroying their country, but it always looks easier in theory, looking from the outside. In reality it is very hard to stand up against a brutal fascistic dictatorship like that. Many have tried and those who do end up tortured to death.
Russia definitely has more than enough justification to view every civilian apartment as a potential legitimate military target due to how often the Ukrainians themselves have bragged about and posted pictures of themselves using them for drone assembly/storage. Nevertheless i am glad that Russia does not indiscriminately strike random apartments
Yeah, no, you’re right about that. I clarified a bit more and I don’t really think it would take striking random apartments; more so they proudly boast and brag about their clear use and leak constant locations of their military assets in apartment complexes or other civilian infrastructure. I don’t blame them for “not just rising up”; no, it is very much a brutal dictatorship as you said. I clarified in another comment that I more so think Russia should just completely level any military asset in civilian infrastructure or no. The optics of “Not being the brutal Israeli!” doesn’t seem worth it to me when Ukrainians are the ones doing actual Israeli tactics of also bombing civilian infrastructure, centering their assets in civilian infrastructure, etc.
In the future, I strongly see Ukraine becoming another Israel. A population of rabidly nazi, captured proles just like in Israel (how popular the genocide there is, for example) and the people that would “volunteer” are likely going to be conscripted entirely in the future, leading to goals of being more restricted moot in the first place. The Ukrainians who have sympathized largely have already fled to Donbass/Luhansk or broke away like Crimea.
I don’t see Ukraine becoming another Israel if they lose. They were promised to become a second Israel only if they win. In that case they would get to continue being a highly militarized society with guarantee of practically unlimited support from the West. But if they lose they will be left in a devastated condition with a ruined economy and more than half the population gone. The West will largely discard them as a used up tool. It will be up to Russia to help them build themselves back up.
Genocidal and supremacist ideology is nowhere near as widespread in Ukraine as it is among the Israelis. Especially not in eastern and southern Ukraine. If you were to do an honest poll in Ukraine, you would not get even close to the 90% support for rabid warmongering and genocide that you find in the Zionist settler population. Most Ukrainians just want the war to end, and they are not as invested in the nationalist ideology as the Western and Maidan regime media would have you believe.
Only in western Ukraine do you find majority support for Banderist ideology where people will openly express genocidal views toward Russians and support for language banning policies, for punishing children who speak their native Russian language in schools and so on.
In the rest of Ukraine it’s mostly among the political elites and the military, paramilitary, police and security forces that nationalist ideology is most rampant, and even there for many it’s out of either careerism (because that’s what it takes to advance in post-Maidan Ukraine) or corruption and grift.
That’s really what unites the Ukrainian elite deep down: not Banderism, but corruption, theft and grift, and the nationalism is a useful tool to wield to use the ideological fascist thugs as footsoldiers, enabling the corrupt criminals at the top to enrich themselves, plunder the country dry and keep the gravy train of Western cash going.
I specified in a few responses and another comment. I don’t want Russia to just nuke cities; I was talking about how I’d wish they’d just level all military facilities either they were put in civilian infrastructure or not. America, Israel, etc all practice that as well. Donbass/Luhansk broke away, most have fled there or out of the country and all that is left is eventually going to be conscripted as the state turns into a death-spiral endsieg-style either they are nationalist/banderite kool-aid drunk or not.
I can agree nationalist sentiment isn’t as widespread as Israel; my point is that the nation is gonna end in a full endsieg death spiral as the population is mass-conscripted. Mark my words.
my point is that the nation is gonna end in a full endsieg death spiral as the population is mass-conscripted. Mark my words.
I don’t think so. The deranged lunatics running the Kiev regime and their European backers would certainly like it that way but i just don’t think they can pull it off. Draft dodging and desertion are extremely prevalent in Ukraine and the mobilization efforts so far have fallen far, far below their target. People are buying their way out of being mobilized all the time. Ukraine is too corrupt by far to be able to implement that kind of total mobilization. The Banderites want to be the Nazis but what they end up being is a farcical, dollar store knock-off version of them.
And regardless Ukraine is demographically in a doom spiral anyway, mass conscription or not.
Millions of Ukrainians have left and gone to Russia or to the EU and most are never coming back.
What i think is likeliest to happen is that at some point we will see a slow motion collapse of the front line start to accelerate, followed by an internal coup in Kiev, with western meddling, then another, possibly by the military or SBU, and then the whole regime implodes as everyone who has been filling their pockets all these years scrambles desperately to leave the sinking ship and take as much money with them as they can while the true believer Nazis lose their shit entirely and do a whole bunch of atrocities against their own people, blaming them for not fighting hard enough for the victory, before Russia finally overruns the whole place.
I can hope so, but if they do go full endsieg you can see exactly why I said what I said. Furthermore, this war has gone on longer than WW1.
Please go outside, interact with people. This leveling would undoubtedly harm the proletariat still living in Ukraine, it’s the same as hoping for the Zionist entity to be nuked. You’re asking to blow up the target than simply hit it. Don’t fall into Bernsteinite revisionism.
Please go outside, interact with people.
I literally was gone off of here for nearly a month twice. See, whenever I go “outside” and interact more with fellow proles here in the US I am in the type of area I have to slowly work people down from believing the race-mixing is a crime under God’s law or cause their peepaw told them so. Previous post I talked about how I an in IWW and WFP. When I go outside and “interact” with people let me just say it is a constant upward struggle. I don’t lash out or say shit like this in real life; I carry a much different attitude on here that is more subconscious influenced than the face I put on each day.
Doing the work has led me to believe there are proles so inflicted by the illnesses wrought by capital that they are permanently captured. Doesn’t mean attempts shouldn’t be made. I’ve had more success recruiting from shitlibs and on-the-fence edgy MAGA types. Just don’t be surprised when you get a significant number of death-threats and rape-threats against your partner or yourself for the work you do and see how it changes the way you think. “Go Outside” as a thought-terminating cliche is tired at this point.
i just think its crazy that you assumably live in the american south and make those comments. whenever a hurricane or something happens in those states you know very well that libs celebrate it as if it isnt mostly minorities and the proletariat who suffers
Most of the Americans around me are captured proletariat who would rather see the entire world burn around them than give up their treats; with the other half having no political concern other than to hurt anyone with a skin shade slightly darker than theirs. Pretty much just the marginalized, PoC and the rare white person who carry any semblance of humanity.
I’m not telling you to “Go Outside” as a thought-terminating cliche, to not stop analyzing your environment and the conditions we live in. I am telling you because you were literally talking about wishing for Russia to level Ukraine, which is fucking insane to say, it’d be the same as calling for the Zionist entity to be fucking nuked. You know who gets harmed in that the most? The regular proles, no matter their reactionary attitude (in the case of the Zionist entity, it would be the Palestinians remaining, and the land scorched)- meanwhile the international bourgeoisie can be kept safe outside of said region’s leveling. I used to think like this, or say shit like this, or glorify war and bombings- leveling of an enemy- before I read Marx, when I was a measly liberal; it’s not material at all… before I wanted to actually ever go out and organize. It’s fucked up and self-alienating. I’m not saying you never go outside, but to go outside and breath a bit when you have thoughts like this.
In the same manner, I wouldn’t blame Iran for using nuclear weapons against the Entity if they so decided their security was worth it. Geopolitical reality as you said for your reasons and global escalation make that impossible.
I specified in a few responses and another comment. I don’t want Russia to just nuke cities; I was talking about how I’d wish they’d just level all military facilities either they were put in civilian infrastructure or not. America, Israel, etc all practice that as well. Donbass/Luhansk broke away, most have fled there or out of the country and all that is left is eventually going to be conscripted as the state turns into a death-spiral endsieg-style either they are nationalist/banderite kool-aid drunk or not.
huh?
nah. the Ukrainians need peace and a chance to rebuild and re-educate the next generations. the Banderites in charge, the Azovites and other neo-nazis should be eradicated though.
This should be a vent, not a wish. I know there are different kinds of desires.
im black and live in eastern europe (close to ukraine). many of my neighbours are muslim and some are immigrants. many of us are communists too. i dont really talk about this bc i know this community wouldnt care (dont blame yall) but war really is war and there isnt much ideology or discussion going on. drones get ”dropped”, people get injured etc. im happy that there is some pushback in this thread because i feel a bit alienated when people say they wish our homes would get leveled, when those saying it wouldnt really be there for the reality… though i understand the sentiment behind it and know europeans say this about other countries all the time
another thing to consider is that if we get ”leveled” that will not at all be beneficial to communism. i thought about the war possibly expanding and i know very well that if they found out i am a communist it will not be fun. also, ukrainian refugees go to western countries where they get even more hardcore anti-communist ideas. when youre far away its easy to see it as an ideological war but its not at all like that here, its real
I can agree nationalist sentiment isn’t as widespread as Israel; my point is that the nation is gonna end in a full endsieg death spiral as the population is mass-conscripted. Mark my words.> I specified in a few responses and another comment. I don’t want Russia to just nuke cities; I was talking about how I’d wish they’d just level all military facilities either they were put in civilian infrastructure or not. America, Israel, etc all practice that as well. Donbass/Luhansk broke away, most have fled there or out of the country and all that is left is eventually going to be conscripted as the state turns into a death-spiral endsieg-style either they are nationalist/banderite kool-aid drunk or not.
Specified further in a few other comments.
Now ask any person in this situation if they’d rather do something else.
Now give me your tax money for my nazi overlords!
You almost sound like you believe in democracy and in the statement that those are real voices of real people.
You almost sound like you believe in democracy and in the statement that those are real voices of real people.
I don’t believe in liberal democracy. That pretty much is the statement of azovites, banderites and their captured type; significant number of those types who soak in tax dollars and then beg some more.
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In the future, I strongly see Ukraine becoming another Israel. A population of rabidly nazi, captured proles just like in Israel (how popular the genocide there is, for example) and the people that would “volunteer” are likely going to be conscripted entirely in the future, leading to goals of being more restricted moot in the first place. The Ukrainians who have sympathized largely have already fled to Donbass/Luhansk or broke away like Crimea.
Clarified in another comment too, I would think most sympathetic Ukrainians have already fled, either out of the country or to Luhansk/Donbass. The ones who remain are going to be conscripted and forced to fight; meaning if they can surrender, Russia has been receiving those just fine regardless. A future Israel where generations are brought in mercenary-style or raised in population collapse to fight on the front. All this means; what is the point of holding back? Optics?
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Eh, so be it that is is unpopular. Every dog has their day in that regard. I suppose I should be more specific and say that I wish Russia would just level the entirety of their military facilities and any civilian infrastructure engaging in military actions, hence the drone apartment bit and if any of those military facilities are in civilian infrastructure, so be it. That would be quite a long post title, though.
I am not gonna renege on that, but I do think I see where one can think I was proposing that they just nuke cities “Israeli” style, which no, I don’t think that would be right. More so, if they have significant military assets based in civilian centers then they should be struck to make the toll of using that tactic even higher. “Israeli” style is manufacturing drones and putting bases directly in the center of major population centers.
