tHe oThEr gUy iS gOing to GenocIdE hArdEr
I know, he’s a fascist, that’s what they do. You claim to offer an alternative, not a lessened degree, even if history and current events proves that’s a fucking lie.
I’ll vote for the lesser evil, but I’ll be damned if I do it without calling it evil.
At least you’re fucking voting. The number of bad faith actors here arguing to protest vote or not vote is scary.
I’d wager many of them aren’t US citizens anyway.
You’re right, there’s clearly bad faith foreign actors all over here.
No genocide is actually a genocide until it is called a genocide, at which point it is the fault of the person calling it a genocide.
You can tell it’s true because of how it makes sense.
It’s not genocide unless it comes from the genocide region of France
These are just sparkling war crimes.
Goddamnit i dunno how I’ll ever use it but I’m stealing this
the genocide region of France
Ah yes, the idea that many people “support genocide”
You don’t like genocide, you say? Just wait till you hear about all the fun new things the Republicans have in store for us with Project 2025!
i’m thankfully not participating in this election, but one would argue voting for any candidate that supports genocide is a vote in support for genocide.
In a first past the post system, like the US, not voting is the same as voting for whoever you hate more. If you hate them equally, then it’s the same as voting for both.
The next US president will support genocide. We get to pick between the one who supports it a lot vs a little. We get to pick which one we’d rather protest under.
The only way to be not complicit is to leave the country and renounce citizenship.
… rather protest under.
Nailed it. I’m stealing that, and there’s nothing you can do about it.
I wouldn’t protest your use, and since that phrase is mine now I can say that!
Jokes aside, this is exactly it. One option, you can protest it. The other, and you’re getting “a very rough hour, real rough”.
So… Yeah. Not voting is supporting more murders by the state, and I hope so many people realize they are being duped with their “non-voting protest” and actually go to the polls. Especially because the presidential election is not the only election that matters.
I can protest about it. For now at least…
i don’t buy this “a lot vs a little” thing. its either genocide or its not. and if your voting system doesnt allow for an alternative, then its not a democracy anyway. sounds like a show to me.
i don’t buy this “a lot vs a little” thing
It’s reality whether you buy it or not. What a silly way of thinking.
Our voting system is barely a democracy and it’s totally a show.
But so what? Not participating doesn’t fix that. Participating let’s us choose the lesser of two evils.
the people calling the shots arent elected. thats true even in my country.
The moral absolutist, black and white view of the world: as bad as any religious nut.
Not really. It’s a pretty easy choice when the options are to maintain genocide vs crank it up to 11.
…but yeah there’s a 3rd option I wish we had. The absence of ‘no genocide’ doesn’t imply the voter supports genocide, it just means the options are shit.
vs crank it up to 11.
It’s already at 11
Oh so you’re equally happy with whatever winner? No preference whatsoever? Interesting to see that on an election with such wildly different candidates.
They’re a tankie, so they probably prefer trump.
i dont want any politician to pay me lip service, or announce, or call for shit. no use if all candidates end up pushing the same neoliberal, genocidal agenda.
A non-vote is a vote for Trump, a third-party vote under the current US voting system is a vote for Trump.
I hope you enjoy your Trump vote!
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The Democrats could just as easily offer not genocide and win all of these voters back.
I guess the difference is that those of us that would argue with you would believe that you are reasonable individuals whereas, shocker, the genociders are not reasonable.
I love when people have such good faith. Good talk.
You may want to clarify of you’re not participating because you can’t or because you won’t. Because if you can’t for some reason that’s fine, and if you won’t I have a few choice words for you.
Pretty sure most people on the planet are not participating in the next usaian election, and we’re all in trouble for it. I’d vote PSL if I could.
What Reddit has that lemmy doesn’t though is something called “nuance.” Which is how you end up with shit-tier posts like this one getting upvoted here.
For all the fault Reddit has, and there is a FUCKTONS of it, no one that I’ve seen on Reddit supports genocide- that is, unless you go to specific subreddits. But then again, there are specific communities here that also seem to support it.
So, no- What the problem is here- is that OP is notorious for accusing EVERYONE of supporting genocide if they so much as even slightly disagree with their bullshit. The mod logs speak for themselves in the event anyone wants to challenge this and accuse me of lying.
In fact, they were recently banned from a community for exactly that. They have a history of spreading misinformation and trolling.
Now, let’s see how accurate I was about that whole nuance thing.
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Thanks for proving my point. I couldn’t have scripted that better! Seems you’re running out of places to post your propaganda.
I love that for you!
So are you denying that genocide is happening right now in Palestine or what? Because I don’t really understand the misinformation claim here
Really? It’s not obvious? Op is blatantly and flat out accusing an entire social media platform of supporting genocide.
No One is supporting it because they are voting for Harris. That’s misinformation. It’s blatant propaganda. And it’s evidence of a bad-faith attempt to influence an election.
So wait, Harris is for a change of policy regarding Israel? Pretty sure she wants to continue on what was before - which is longstanding support of Israel, which at the moment is committing genocide.
I’m not going to argue this with you. I know what you’re about and I’m not falling for it.
Just lean what nuance means. And try and do better in the future.
You aren’t arguing with me because you want to handwave support for genocide as “nuance”, call everyone talking about it a propagandist and sleep better at night knowing you support “the good guys”.
The largest problem facing wider adoption of Lemmy IMO is that many of the people who were banned from reddit for being poorly socialized ended up on a Lemmy instance, and many of them remain unwilling to view their behavior as the problem.
Many mods/admins need to do a better job of keeping their communities welcoming, imo. Engagement for engagement’s sake makes no sense on nonprofit platforms.
Lemmy being the Australia of social networks. We do what we can mate 🇦🇺
Why are we blaming voters again when a million dollar campaign loses against a historically unpopular criminal insurrectionist president… ?
The campaign has the power to pander to voters if it’s clear they can’t win without doing so, they just refuse to and instead are comfortably riding the threat of Trump to the finish line without offering a single thing more.
Your fellow voters that conscientiously object to genocide, are not your enemy. You are being failed by the Democrats, and you are enabling this genocidal policy by directing your anger at the voters instead of pressuring your candidate to change it. If they lose, it’s a strategic failure and they are the only ones to blame for it.
New flash- almost everyone objects to genocide. You don’t belong do some grassroots movement of high-minded academics that somehow managed to figure out that genocide is bad.
Wow so it sounds like being the non-genocidal option would be a great way to get people to vote for you if you really care about winning
And that’s what people who vote for Harris are doing. Because they understand how things work. You’re free to throw away your vote in protest of things that have been going on since before you ever could point to Palestine on a map…
but the rest of us are going to try our best to ensure you continue to have the rights to be able to do that. Do be sure to accuse me of supporting genocide on the way out. It does wonders to garner support for your ideology.
Acting like you’re superior and “understand how things work” better than anyone else, not recognizing the obvious wedge being driven between democratic voters and left-wing voters whom we otherwise agree with, is also doing wonders for your side. I’m sure your vote will make the difference in protecting rights that the Democrats have done absolutely nothing to defend in the face of power grabs and media smears from the right. I’m certain that the Democrats will do the right thing, just out of the goodness and JOY of their hearts, nevermind that their power is guaranteed by the Republicans being a worse option.
Never said you were supporting it, I said you were enabling it. If you want to conflate the two to protect your ego then that’s up to you.
If understanding how things work is what makes a person superior, you probably don’t want to be shitting on it, but maybe trying to get there yourself.
But I don’t feel as if I’m in any way superior because I get how the real world works. I do however, feel superior because I don’t accuse people of shit they aren’t doing, like say…. sUpPoRtiNG gEnoCiDe!
What I see here a lot though, is what seems to be a bunch of smug and arrogant people sitting on high, casting aspersions at others because they support someone that is doing their best to ensure we keep our democracy.
What I see, are people willing to throw away votes over single-issue protests that most of them have shown not to even understand.
I’m not going to apologize to you for paying attention. That’s not a fault. It’s an obligation.
lol
If understanding how things work is what makes a person superior
Didn’t say that
you probably don’t want to be shitting on it
Didn’t do that
accuse people of shit they aren’t doing, like say…. sUpPoRtiNG gEnoCiDe! […] casting aspersions at others
Didn’t do that either, see my last reply to this thread
what seems to be a bunch of smug and arrogant people sitting on high,
Tell me how you’re not doing that same exact thing
someone that is doing their best to ensure we keep our democracy.
No they’re not
What I see,
are peopleis the democratic party willing to throw away votes over single-issue protestsFTFY
most of them have shown not to even understand.
Again, you’re assuming your understanding is better than anyone else’s and not colored by billion dollar, lifelong propaganda campaigns, manufacturing consent to enact bloody imperialism on the rest of the world and keep the (lucrative for private capital) war machine turning, rather than any actual history of the conflict in palestine or actual material plan to “protect democracy” here at home.
I’m not going to apologize to you for paying attention.
Neither will I
That’s not a fault.
Never said it was and I agree.
reddit knows you don’t like what it’s doing but reddit also knows you’re still on reddit
Replace reddit with democrats and you have a great parallel to our current voting situation.
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I am not on reddit. Are you?
closing 40 porn tabs n-no sir…
Is reddit considered a microblog?
No, but OP is running low on communities he hasn’t been banned from. So, this is what works.
No, it’s a link aggregator.
These are the people who would have still voted for Hitler (did ya’ll know he was elected?) because his policies were better than Himmler. Can’t argue with that level of liberal.
Wait… what? Are you trying to say that liberals would vote for Hitler?
They are currently readying to participate in a vote between two parties that both support genocidal policies and are wholeheartedly behind one of them.
Ahhhh…. Gotcha. Had to make sure you were aware of what you were saying before I assumed you actually meant to say it.
Thanks for the laugh. I needed that today!
