Maybe I’m the centrist in this scenario, but isn’t that just normal left? I’d expect far left to be like “we are going to exterminate all the rich then give their stuff to everyone else”
In the US at least, the entire country is so far right that the position above is actually far left in our political sphere.
Haha yeah US is so backwards. And I’m surprised the world hasn’t built a massive wall around us because we literally use God as part of our laws, how many weapons we have stockpiled, how many citizens die from unnecessary violence, how little we care about the homeless.
And any sort of empathy about any of those problems, even pointing it out, isnt even a discussion point in politics because itll go nowhere fast.
I also believe I am center… To me it’s more like
Right: let’s go exterminate races. Left: ACAB, all cops are pieces of shit and deserve life sentences.
I mean, they aren’t totally equal, but there are better examples.
All cops are bastards though.
Until you need one.
I’m more likely to be assaulted by a cop than helped by one. Or randomly killed while they do triple the speed limit with no siren.
I hope someday your feelings of law enforcement can be repaired by them. This is a tragic relationship between people and those that are supposed to protect them.
I hope law enforcement keeps correcting this, which they should have done themselves but instead it took enormous pressure and numerous occasions of crimes by law enforcement.
Maybe one day, you won’t have to fell that way.
The centrists has their basic needs met and isn’t part of a social group that is threatened so they see both as a waste of tax spending.
“If we just improve the education system, racism will go away.” - My centrist friend
Bro, no. Also, who the fuck do you think is trying to fund education? Assuming we even accept your premise.
Education does help, or the right wouldn’t be trying to gut it so hard. But it’s not all we need
Implied by this: centrists see all this mainly as a financial matter.
Centrists are unwilling to accept change or inconvenience. This differs from conservatives who think things should go back to some sort of old way.
Undecided voters are the stupidest people on the face of the Earth.
It’s funny to see people that have swallowed anti communist peograganda hook line and sinker flounder in here trying to discredit the far left.
centrists are usually right wing wanting the votes/approval from left
why do people say these thing when they know its not true
That’s not why we are centrists…it might have more to due with our two choices of geriatric patients who are in a steep mental decline.
Well, far left is anarchism. I haven’t heard how they’re going to make my basic needs met. But then I haven’t ever heard how they’re going to get their basic needs met. Or any needs met, for that matter.
I think it’s similar to communism in the sense that they fantasize about perfect citizens who would always think about the group before themselves without any other incitation (such as having to earn money to live).
Far right: give me absolute power so I can make the country strong!
Far left: give me absolute power so I can make everyone in the country equal!
Centrist: Both of these groups are made up of grifters and the rubes that fall for the scam that is ideology. We know from history the problems with ideologies, and only those ignorant of history (whether deliberately or not) fall for bullshit “ideologies” whether they be “left” or “right”.
In fact the “political spectrum” is just a construct that’s only useful as a shorthand to quickly distinguish between moderate political parties. The complexities of functioning society can’t be reduced to a one dimensional line FFS. People who are tricked into thinking this way are ill-equipped to govern a functioning society. History has shown that the one dimensional political thinkers have failed at governing every time they’ve been given the opportunity to do so.
Oh god. Could you be more edgelord 14 yr old Ayn Rand pls. Goddam this is peak cringe
Thanks for providing an example of one dimensional political thinking. Something you disagree with has to be from the opposite end of a made up political spectrum in you mind.
When in actual fact I want higher taxes on the wealthy, I want trust busting on corporate oligopolies, Keynesian economic policy, more regulation on the private sector, especially in regards to the environment. I come to these preferred policies by actually thinking of the issues, and I have read a history book and know that a violent overthrow of the government is only going to result in some asshole (whether “far left” or “far right”) gaining authoritarian power.
Only angsty youths think there’s “one simple trick” that’ll solve all problems. Feeds into that need to have angst I suppose.
Is that really ‘far’ left, though? Far left is, “let a handful of governors control everything, on behalf of communal ownership, and they will make sure everyone’s needs are met fairly.”
I think the use of “far left” in this meme is based on the labels that right wing media is pushing on the ‘normal’ left.
That’s not the far left, that’s Capitalism. The Far Left is for democratic control of Production and working towards a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society via Worker Ownership, whether that be through a state or via Anarchism.
I don’t think far left implies statelessness. I know communist governments are not taken as an ideal picture of far left, but I thought far left politics still has state governorship over public ownership?
You say Worker Ownership, but I thought the thing about ‘left’ versus ‘right’ is a collective ownership (requiring presumably some manner of management) versus individual ownership (that permits capitalism if people have full freedom to trade).
The left isn’t necessarily opposed to ownership or freedom to trade. Nor is capitalism just freedom to trade. Capitalism is a set of exploitative property relations based on a fake contract (the employer-employee contract). In this contract, the legal responsibility for the entire result of production is assigned to the employer despite the workers’ joint de facto responsibility for that result. This violates the basic tenet that legal and de facto responsibility match
USA: we don’t have a left. Democrats are at best center.
You don’t have a right either though, at least not a right on the democratic spectrum.
All you’ve got are “unacceptable” and “fascism”.
Far left: we’re going to dress in all black and burn buildings down to protest racism of which many of the shops will be locally owned by people of color.
Far right: we’re going to ravage the civil liberties of every group of people that aren’t white religious old rich people and convince poor white people it’s the patriotic thing to do.
Centrists: You’re both fucked but one of you is less fucked I guess.
You’re both fucked but one of you is less fucked I guess.
Which one is that? Because moderates are outright refusing to compromise with leftists and progressives. Seems like they prefer fascists.
Left is in a pretty clear lead but you won’t find me handing out fliers to spread the word. I’m just watching in paralyzed horror.
Maybe if you told moderates they need to start compromising with leftists and progressives a few might listen.
Based on the overwhelmingly negative response to the left being criticized I understand why many Centrists stay center. Going either direction just feels morally compromising. I’ll still vote blue because I’m not insane but still, I’d never call myself Democrat.
Going either direction just feels morally compromising.
Supporting unions feels morally compromising? Refusing to send weapons to Israel feels morally compromising? Raising minimum wage feels morally compromising?
Get real.
Another excellent example of strawman.
Good lord… the comments on here proves that lemmy.world is flooded with politically incompetent libs that couldn’t tell the difference between left and right if their lives depended on it.
If you believe that there is such a thing as an actual “left” in formal political establishments, this means you.
This forum is exactly like its reddit counterpart: hot garbage
