I’ve had this conversation with the lady at the really good deli down the road from me! When I occasionally have a rare chance to go in there she says “we never see you anymore!” And I have to always remind her they only serve lunch from 11am to 3pm, my work starts at 11 and my lunch break is at 330 lol
This. If you work during the day anywhere around my town you have a good 30 minutes to do shopping before all the stores close at 4:30.
Never understood those hours, they lock out more than half of their potential customers
They want time to do stuff to.
That’s when they should introduce a second shift instead of just having one shift and one set of staff.
Ah, but you see, they would have to pay them
Then you have to pay for double the employee hours. And you may not necessarily make double the profit in doing so.
Oh, none of this matters soon anyways. We’re all being replaced with AI and robots. None of us are going to have jobs, or money, or ability to pay for rent. Better buy a really really nice tent soon. That’s going to be your home!
Username checks out I guess?
With self checkout and shelves that detect when stock is empty, how much people could they really need.
I have often wondered about the self checkout clerk/guard who’s only job it is to do random control checks in case someone tries to steal.
I sort of cant imagine that they would lose more then a full employee wage on theft without that person there. Especially since pretty much every supermarket having insurance against common theft.
Its called “commercial property insurance” and covers both customer and employee theft.
There exist even a version where lost profits on stolen goods are additionally insured but at least that one is rare to see in this context.
Where I live, there are now supermarkets without employees. You scan your card to open the door, shop, and do self-checkout. I assume if you just leave, they’ll deduct the value of the items you took from your account.
They don’t offer alcohol, though. Cause there’s no way to check if you’re of drinking age.
You could also take a shift off, just like they would need to to go to your place of work, since they likely have the same hours.
So they need to go out of their way, but not you? The double standards of entitled people are hilarious.
Not to mention business hour limitations from bylaws, not always profitable to be open… lots of factors people ignore, but let’s talk about them now shall we?
What crawled up your ass?
People who expect others to move mountains, but won’t move pebbles themselves.
What’s wrong with their hours, but your identical ones are fine?
We can’t control our work hours for the most part, a business owner can.
And then you wonder why people shop at Big Box stores and Amazon. It’s not JUST their anticompetitive practices
What is the point of opening a store if you’ll only keep it open for 4 hours every other day? Is it really moving a mountain to expect a business owner to invest extra time and staffing into their stores? For fucks sake if you think its so much effort to be open another 30 minutes then why the fuck are you open at all?
You’re also just demonizing one form of laziness while protecting another. You’re clearly extremely biased and arguing with you anymore than this is pointless
They don’t need to take a shift off to come to my place of work because I work on an office where the customers are people doing their job.
And if they needed to take a shift off to come to my place of work, it would only be because they work at the same hours as I do. If they worked different hours they wouldn’t need to take a shift off.
Taking a shift off every time you need to shop (at least once per week) isn’t moving mountains?
Then they can’t go an FB or Nextdoor and complain about people not shopping local.
all the grocery stores around me stopped being 24 hours so now i can never get anything after work except taco bell
I wish 24 hours was a thing again, my fiancee gets out at 12:00 and there is literally nothing open unless you want to drive an hour. Honestly i’d work a graveyard shift too, love the night
I’m of two minds. I love the convenience of 24/7, but we were JUST THERE. we saw just how much the corpos will demand in order to keep staffing for all 24 hours. People need time off, and they deserve for it to be consistent and “normal”. That doesn’t happen if the corporations have a say in a 24 hour shift.
I’d love to see expanded hours not being 24/7, but having different start times. No reason every shop has to open at 6am, some can open at 6, some at 8, some 10, etc, and with a similarly staggered closing time, we can have the convenience of having things open when we’re available, and not have every minute of our lives scheduled by a corporation.
Obviously there is still a case for overnight shifts. Emergency work, for example. And we need some support for those people working in an industry that has to be always open. I don’t know that there’s a good solution to compromise on both situations without just an excessive amount of regulation.
Add those local businesses for food or service type things that are more weekend things, but they close on Sundays cause JEBIS!
Fortunately lots of them also post political shit up in their business or signs whining that nobody wants to work, so I don’t even want to partake in most of them anyway.
If I see a sign in a business whining about workers or people not wanting to work, I will straight up leave and go somewhere else. Tells me everything I need to know about how the owner treats their workers.
This is exactly why we should have 4 day work weeks. Especially when you replace “shop” with “doctor’s office”
Doctor? Why would employers want you to see a doctor? If you make it to retirement age they have to pay that out and miss out on a cheaper replacement!
What you need are good laws, not so much a 4 day work week. I just go to the doctor during office hours and tell my employer I have to go. I even get paid time off for it, like everyone else working in this country. Same for the dentist or any other kind of medical thing.
Sure, it’s not always optimal if you work in some sort of shift, but they are required to make sure you can go.
By the way, not that I wouldn’t appreciate a 4 day work week, but this seems like a bit of a stretch to say that this is the reason why you would need one.
Yup. This is the way.
But I live and work in the US which means I have no paid days off at all and even if I tell them I have something to do they can call me to tell me to work and be upset if I don’t immediately come to the aid.
I really wish we just believed in reasonable work life balance but I will accept a shorter work week but that’s just gonna go to the upper classes only again.
Not sure if that would really help the whole availability issue. We already force a large population of physicians to be on call 24/7 because there aren’t enough to go around.
With an additional day off, more people can go to med school!
I also wonder if there would be more doctors if they didn’t have such an abusive onboarding process that doesn’t necessarily ever get any better after they finish their residence.
It seems like there’s a vicious cycle going on where the crazy hours lead to burnout, which leads to some people leaving, which then leads to more crazy hours to try to make up for the shortage.
What you think there is something wrong with an absolutely necessary industry such as healthcare having a falling practice rate and one of the highest suicide rates of any profession?
You some kind of commie?
So 4 day work week for you, but 5 day work week for everyone else you would want to visit on Friday?
Nah, we should have different days off, duh. Let me have Wednesdays off, some peeps can have Fridays.
Actually, I would prefer to have weekdays off instead of weekends, easier to focus with less people at work.
Where I live, everyone gets paid leave when they need to see a doctor during working hours. Same is true for everything else that is “important”.
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But not necessarily the same four days as me.
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Wait until you hear about banks lol
They open after everyone’s at work and close before anyone finishes work
Because fuck you, that’s whyBecause banks’ primary customer is not Joe Everyman who works a 9-5. Their primary customers are other companies. Your checking account is barely even a drop in the bucket compared to the billion dollar company that has five hundred accounts set up for their various incomes and expenses.
But the reason there is a local bank branch in your neighborhood isn’t for that one business owner nextdoor to deposit their brief case of cash at 11am
Isn’t it, though? I mean this as a genuine question. The alternatives are to either buy a safe or to have tons of cash in your register at the end of every day, so I could honestly see banks getting plenty of business for this purpose, but maybe I’m wrong about that.
The local branch is for when average joes are doing a big transaction. So you take some time off of work to meet with the banker to complete the paperwork for your mortgage or other loan, or to setup your money market account, etc.
I bank at a local credit union. It’s a very small operation with only a few branches.
They have the same hours.
Funny thing is they’re there working after public hours. What are they doing? No one knows
guess the’re counting the money they ripped off from you without you noticing anything. counting that much can take hours !! ;-)
Reading the part of this article about London being paralysed by tube workers I could only think about the Crowdstrike shutting down millions of systems and yet, life went on as if it didn’t even happen unless you were yourself affected
A lot of bs paperwork and recounting, mostly.
No, because originally banks were for the wealthy that didn’t have to keep another man’s hours.
Sure, their physical office is closed outside of business hours, but they have a 24/7 website and a call centre that runs late into the night. The last time I physically visited a bank was years ago and they actually couldn’t answer my question and referred me to their call centre instead.
Outsourced and overseas call centers don’t count.
It’s called “Work from Home”. Not outsourced and overseas call center.
Lol ok sure
Depends on the bank. I have accounts with 2 credit unions right now and both have WFH tellers who will help with account questions and whatnot from the comfort of their pajamas at home. And I can tell by the local accent and lack of background noise they certainly haven’t been outsourced out of the region if at all
Bank: Perfect.
Seriously, I found out that my bank chain switched their opening hours to being 10a-4p and most branches are closed on the weekends. It’s not even 40 hours of opening time for the week!
What the fuck kind of a schedule is this? Granted, I’ve hardly ever needed to go to a branch in person because the majority of things can be done online or at an atm, but still. Some things you do occasionally need to visit in person for…like getting a cashier’s check which I had to do recently.
Thankfully the last time I needed one, I was able to drive far away to a location that was open for a couple of hours on Saturday but Jesus Christ.
Oh, now it’s great, there are apps. Before the internet it was misery and before ATMs it was just spiteful. The whole point seemed to be to make sure that you never get to extract cash from your accounts.
five o,clock is much to late for a bank to be open.
5 o’clock!? Are they having a sleepover?
Historically bank hours were because they had to count and tabulate every transaction and check for the day after closing, so historically “bank hours” meant very long working hours. Tabulators and computers greatly improved this of course
Anyone who works an office job should be able to set their own hours. I choose 6:30-2:30. I can still hit up local shops after. My colleague chooses 10-8 and shops before work. There’s no reason we can’t make this work.
I had a job once with core hours. Everyone had to be there 10 am to 2 pm, but you could decide when to come in and leave as long as you were there 8ish hours, and you were there during core hours.
That’s a pretty good idea.
Yeah, it kicked ass! Everyone was happy with their schedule, since they pretty much set it themselves.
For a lot of time, i thought the 12 hour clock was not that bad
Until i saw people excluding the AM/PM. What does 6:30-2:30 mean? Are you working -4 hours? Are you working from 18:30 to 2:30 or from 6:30 to 14:30? Why do people choose this time format?
Even though you’re right, context is also important. They’re talking about working in an office, so it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that they’re referring to working 8 hours, from 6:30 AM to 2:30 PM
Do all Europeans choose to purposefully misinterpret information that is actually very easy to understand based on context?
I think it’s worse that someone from programming.dev doesn’t understand time.
The meaning is clear in this context, but not all of them. Especially when instead of a range of hours it is a single one.
Although it is possible to determine they “probably meant this one”, why would you waste your time guessing based on context and risk being wrong when you can just use 24h and be precise.
I’m confused by this comment.
Do you not understand how to tell time?choose
Do we?
Yes
Adding 12 to a number isnt that hard
Neither is subtracting it. It appears we are at an impasse
Guessing if you need to subtract it is, however
Gee it’s 16:00, I wonder if I should subtract 12 to convert the time
Guessing each time if 12 needs to be added (with usually important consequences if you guess wrong) is.
If you need to guess to convert, wouldnt you need to guess if its AM or PM?
Yes. You need to guess if it’s AM or PM. That’s what the comment is about.
If whoever says the time uses 24h or explicitly says AM/PM there’s no guessing involved.
Are you ten years old or something? How is telling time this difficult for you?
I got confused by the message i was replying to, thinking they were saying that you have to guess to convert between the 2
Yeah my company doesn’t care when I come and go as long as I work 40 hours and don’t miss meetings. 4 day workweeks are generally frowned upon but you can do it now and then.
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
(Cool though!)
I think I just got confused, sorry.
No worries mate
06:30-02:30 (note the 0!) means 6:30 am to 2:30 am the following day. Anything in pm would be +12 hours. 6:30 pm becomes 18:30; 2:30pm is 14:30. Using this format you want 06:30-14:30 which is 8 hours.
This format is important because it actually solves the problem you are trying to explain (am/pm). Regularly I need to give EST database timestamps for a PST server cluster while living in another timezone myself and speaking to someone in India which is :30min difference in time zones and trying to account for daylight savings. Removing am/pm just makes it easier to track what happens in different places without looking at the wrong time window. Time math is messy and stupid, be specific by using 24 hours instead of 12
Edit: I guess no one works in timestamps, keep on being terrible for the rest of us.
Edit 2: if you don’t understand how time works, reconsider your opinion. Spreading misinformation is damaging
Why would anyone care about putting a 0 before the 6 in 6:30. It solves nothing
That’s how international and military time works. It’s a four digit format.
I just subtract 2 after 1300. That’s what works quicker in my head.
1300 = 1pm.
1400 = 2pm.
1500 = 3pm.
And so forth.
It’s the same thing, but I just ignore the 1.
The company would have to hire more shitty middle managers to micro manage you during a wider amount of hours, we can’t have that.
I’m thankful I can do this. My employer measures performance based on what we actually do, not how long we work for.
I’m usually at work 10 AM to 6:30 PM (which helps avoid peak hour traffic), but I can come in and/or leave earlier or later and it’d be fine. I work from home two days a week, too.
That’s always been a hilarious part of French culture to me. Many of their cafes and sandwich shops are closed for lunch so their employees can go home to eat.
In what cafes and sandwich shop do you go to? I’ve never seen one that was closed during launch hours.
It’s getting rarer but their is some that only open in launch hours instead of the whole afternoon, restaurant can have some specific services hours. (And some cafes stop serving drinks while serving food.)
French culture is to eat at specific hours, so it would be almost impossible to serve food only outside those.
Just small cafes around the park in Clermont-Ferrand. Strolling through the park at noon on a Saturday was the worst time to get hungry or need a drink.
Lolwut
Protip: Some of those shops are not meant for the poors to shop at, and set their hours accordingly.
The poors are the ones who need to be at a 9-5 job all the time.
As a poor, I understand.
What I don’t understand is when the government does it.
I have to take a whole day off because I’m obligated to go talk to some person behind a counter, who will tell me that I need form 87324, but won’t be able to tell me what that form is, where to get it, or why I need it, then drive around from government office to government office trying to get the form, only to figure out another person at the first office has it, and when I finally get the stupid form, it needs some meaningless mandatory field filled out by my employer, who thinks I’m sick today.
I guess I’ll cured until the day after tomorrow.
Easy. Every day you spend working, or working on working, or working on government-mandated stuff, you don’t spend reflecting on your life. You won’t start to question what you’re doing, you won’t organize, you won’t revolt. Especially you muricans with nearly no day-offs.
I know your comment is probably more broadly focused than just me (the commenter you’re replying to), but…
Fun fact, I’m not American.
Oh sorry. It sounded like you were 😊
No need to apologize. I’m used to it.
What I don’t understand is when the government does it.
This is by design! Republicans love reducing hours of government offices and introducing new partworkd and requirements to make it harder for The Poors to meet whatever new arbitrary requirements they’ve added to access a given program or be able to vote
Is this some dayshift joke that I’m too nightshift to understand. I go where I want provided I don’t care about sleeping.
Ok…imagine the shops were only open from 4pm-11pm. And not open on your days off.
That’s approximately second shift. I suspect the original comment is referring to third.
(Though the point still applies)
I genuinely miss third shift, though.
God I hated second shift. Everything was closed by the time I was off, I had maybe ~10 minutes to drove to the nearest food that wasn’t taco bell assuming other places didn’t just close early for the hell of it (I refuse to be a karen about it, I’d want to close of shit was slow too). Fucked up my sleeping habits so badly. At least third shift can get breakfast food.
Yeah, if I had to pick a shift, second would have been my third choice.
What would first choice be? Third? And second pick is first shift?
Pretty much, yeah.
I actually am working second but only because my workplace stopped doing a third shift durring covid. Damn do I miss third shift. I actually enjoyed 3rd shift in winter when I could go months without ever actually seeing the sun.
My condolences regarding your second shift.
I have a family living a normally scheduled life now, but if I didn’t, I would go back to third shift in a blink.
Yall are crazy, second shift is the greatest. It helps that there’s nowhere to go even during the day, lol. So I just get to wake up and go to sleep whenever I feel like it.
Is this a dayshift joke that I’m too nightshift to understand?
i work 20-06. lol
Hopefully not. Just imagine wanting to go to any store that is only open at times inconvenient to your schedule. I don’t think it’s hard to understand?
I had hoped the “provided I don’t care about sleeping” would have made it clear I was joking.
Ah, I just assumed you meant you generally don’t care about sleeping per insomnia or something. Several of my friends on night shifts seem to function with less sleep than everyone else.
This is why I refuse to work first shift and don’t have weekends off.
I need to be able to access things like the fucking bank and any govt service whatsoever.
Honestly imo there’s no reason these services aren’t 24/7. They are necessary for modern living and therefore shouldn’t be constrained due to shift schedule.
If people are working during the night then all essential services should be open 24/7
The shop workers.
They are there from 8am-6pm.
Everything closes at 5pm
They will never be able to go to anyone else’s shop.
(We forget about the people that work there have it worse than we do and they seem to figure it out just fine)
how do they “figure it out”? I’ve always wondered this.
Fair enough. Basically what others have suggested in this thread. Flex time, lunch hours, swap shifts with a co-worker.
I’ve had the opportunity with an old job to work 4-days a week before and I wish this was the norm. 4x10 days should be the standard.
We don’t work 7 days a week, and we usually work at least one weekend day, so we shop (and do other chores) during the week.
what about those who do? or need time during the day but their job doesn’t allow it?
i break into stores after hours and steal things
The cigarette stores nearby all close at 6pm. Like what the fuck? The liquor store next door don’t close until they legally can’t sell alcohol.
Does the liquor store not also sell cigerettes?
Aw hell, you should quit anyways!
In my town the liquor store I work at can’t sell certain items. We can’t sell food or cigarettes.
No idea where OP lives, so this is local to me in Texas.
Some liquor stores sell cigarettes, some don’t.
Those that do generally have a very limited selection (Maybe two options) and charge about 50% more than one would pay at a convenience store.
Fortunately for the smoker in Texas, the best prices are usually found in gas station convenience stores that are open 24/7, so OP’s issue is strange and foreign to me.
You guys have cigarette stores?
I’m still bitter about the lumber place down the street closing. 9-5 and only till noon on Saturday. You got get so many discounted items! Doors, windows, screws, random tools, all kinds of building materials.
Rarely got to go there, had to spend my $ at Home Depot.
And you close on weekends
I genuinely think working 12 hrs 3 days a week is the key to happiness in life.
Yeah working 12 hour shifts 2 days on, 2 days off, and alternating weekends was always my favorite schedule. Weekdays off to do important things, fat overtime checks every other week, and taking a one week vacation using only 2 vacation days was awesome.
Wtf kind of shop is only open for 8 hours a day, and business hours at that. I’ve never witnessed that
Are you really asking “What kind of business keeps business hours”?
English isn’t my native language, I thought it referred to business as in office. Because other jobs definitely don’t keep those hours.
Also I was genuinely curious, id never heard of that. Everything is open at least 8-6 here. Cultural differences I guess.
Yeah, in English a “Business” is just an entity that makes/sells/trades goods/services. A shop is typically the location where a business resides. It’s the physical location of the business. Business hours in the USA are typically 9am to 5pm. Sometimes we call them bank hours.
Well yeah, because they aren’t their business hours.
Banks
I’ve been complaining about banks for YEARS now! I can understand in the 60s why your bank account wasn’t up to the minute accurate.
I have a debit card. I have money in the bank. Why is a $3.19 slim jim transaction pending for a week??? I tap my chip, I type my pin, transaction goes through…my bank should instantly deduct those funds, and there should never be a “pending” status. It’s all digital! What the god damn fuck?
Because of ancient COBOL code from the 3 major banks that nearly all transactions pass through at some point. Oh and they can’t rewrite them because
money“CaNt FiX WhAT isNT BrOKe”By ancient, I hope you mean from like the 50s/60s when computers first started becoming a thing, and not like…the 90s. If the 90s is ancient, I’m just going to have to cry.
In terms of technology, the 90s is archaic at this point. Imagine if your bank transactions had to go through a Dell running Windows 98 with a single piece of RAM measured in kb.
I’m pretty sure some parts of the US power grid are running on DOS and some of the medical system hasn’t seen a security update since Windows 2000’s end of life updates.
some parts of the US power grid are running on DOS
What’s the problem with that, though? Systems like that are pretty much guaranteed to be isolated from the internet.
There’s no need to rewrite code just because it’s old. Code doesn’t expire. If it’s still doing what it’s supposed to be doing, it’s really not as bad as people make it out to be. Windows 11 still has code from NT 3.51 in it, because that code still does its job.
There’s nothing wrong with it, per se. As they say, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Just trying to put in perspective the technological difference between the 90s and today that makes the 90s “ancient” and how systems are still running on that old tech today.
The 90s was only about 30 years ago, but when you think of what computers running Windows 95 could do then compared to systems today, it’s like a different era. It’s no small wonder that banking systems can’t keep your accounts up to date in real time when major pieces of them were designed before the internet was more than a DARPA project.
When my dad was in college for engineering, the college had their own computer, and he remembers going into the clean room to put his punch cards into it for classes. When I was a kid in the 90s, I remember being blown away by a flight sim on my dad’s Mac. Today, I can grab my HTC Vive and be right in the removedpit of a fighter jet in something like DCS. Compared to when I was a kid, I might as well be on the holodeck from Star Trek. Dick Tracy’s wrist computer went from science fiction to something people use just so they don’t have to pull their computer out of their pocket.
The only thing that can outpace technology is internet meme culture.
What’s the problem with that, though? Systems like that are pretty much guaranteed to be isolated from the internet.
Because things break down eventually, and when it comes time to buy replacement parts you discover that they’re effectively impossible to find. Then instead of having a nice, planned transition period you’ve got like a weekend to cobble together something to get it working again.
Code doesn’t expire. But the programmers do (they die/retire).
If you want someone to maintain that code, old code only gets more expensive. Sure, if it ain’t broke you don’t need to maintain it to fix it, but you need to maintain it to upgrade it. When you eventually need to make an upgrade, it’s going to be expensive. I don’t know if it’s more expensive than making the code not-old though.
COBOL predates DOS by more than 20 years though. It truly is ancient.
COBOL was developed in the late 50s
There’s a huge amount of risk in rewriting old code. That COBOL or FORTRAN code is likely rock solid and has had 50 years of bug fixes applied to it to cover every possible edge case.
It’s hard to justify the expensive of rewriting all of it (which would likely cost tens of millions of dollars) if the result is new code that does exactly the same thing as the old code.
To be fair I absolutely do not trust modern programmers with anything close to that important.
Unless they’re using rust.
The code may be old but it isn’t necessarily slow.
I assume the store didn’t close their batches meaning the banks can’t process it so it sits on pending until it either drops off, or the batch is closed.
I guess it depends on your bank and location in the world. Where I am you can transfer that, for free, and it is on the receiver’s account in less than 5s or so.
It’s called banker’s hours.
It’s quite common in my city. There was an event called “Moonlight Madness” where the local shops would be open late. It was in the paper, there were signs put up, big chalk designs all over the sidewalks downtown. “open late” meant “7:30” to most shops. It wasn’t even dark enough for there to be moonlight, just my madness.
