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Breakthrough technology, never seen before in the mobile market. Apple, like always, surprises the word with the latest never seen before tech that will become mainstream in the near future, thanks to apple and its affordable pricing for everyday customers.
Now just slap that 2,5-3k RRP on the device and let it sell out in.
Apple’s entire history as an org has been as a fast follower, not a first mover.
The Apple Newton is a great example of why they avoid being a first mover.
They’ve also become really, really good at outsourcing R&D to other companies. This lets them outsource the expense of trial and error, and swoop down with a mature product once everyone else has paid for it.
15 years ago they famously patented, and then leaked that they were working on a fingerprint reader authentication method, and then they watched the Android manufacturers bend over backwards to implement it so they could say they did it “first.” In those early days of smartphones, being first to implement something and then claiming Apple copied it was a big deal for people who wanted to be first movers (today they are called “techbros”). Motorola Mobility ate the cost of R&D, was never able to recoup the costs, and ended up being sold to Google for their patent portfolio. By the time Apple released Touch ID two and a half years later, Motorola Mobility was a shell of itself, and ended up being sold a second time to Lenovo.
Foldable phones have been a thing for a while, and Apple just sat back and took notes on what everyone else was doing. Surface Duo killed Microsoft’s last attempt at a mobile device. Now it’s a relatively mature market (we have tri-fold phones for two years now and tablets that fold into a laptop with a bluetooth keyboard) and now Apple will swoop in and bring the rest of the market.
The money isn’t in being a first mover; it’s in making a reliable product that everyone can use. It shouldn’t be lost on anyone that Apple made a trillion dollars while OpenBSD (upstream for a lot of Apple’s ecosystem) struggled to pay its light bills.
Generally true - but multitouch was a real innovation. I’m not familiar with other manufacturers perfecting touch interfaces AND design paradigms optimized for it.
There were decades of development of touch screen devices with UI paradigms designed explicitly for touch. Notwithstanding all of the Palm and Symbian and Windows CE devices, I feel like I shouldn’t have to point out that the Nintendo DS came out in 2004, three years before the iPhone.
It’s just that these were resistive screens and stylus based…
Except for the LG Prada.
They will “swoop in” like they did with the vr headset, that was dead on arrival.
That headset is certainly my a strange device. It definetly has that Apple magic to it. Incredibly impressive to actually use. But at that price it needs to solve a problem. It needs to justify itself.
A MacBook is a laptop. It does laptop things. An iPhone is a smartphone. It does smartphone things. An Apple Watch…well, I use mine for quick notifications, smarthome interactions and mobile payments but most people buy it as a fashion accessory. It’s amazing this product line survived to maturity. Then we get to the Vision Pro which does….what? It doesn’t solve a problem. It’s the most amazing thing to serve no purpose. Apple was figuring they would throw this device out there and someone else would figure out what to do with it. Obviously that didn’t happen.
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The UI lead just left the company within the last couple of months. Reports are the staff is overjoyed at that news. A lot of turnover in their leadership this past year, actually. Feels like this may be a new chapter coming up for the company. Rumor is Tim Apple may retire next year.
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Don’t downplay it like that! They also removed the tabs button in Safari. Brilliant! (who needs it?)
Apple usually prefers to do it right rather than do it first.
You’re holding it wrong
We’re slowing down your phone on purpose… for your own good
We have to use a proprietary cable to protect our users from their own stupidity
The issue with the second one was their failure to notify users about the throttling. It is a decent solution for an end of life battery to throttle the device to prevent crashes.
Yeah I have zero qualms with my phone running slower if it means it doesn’t randomly reboot. That was the whole reason why Apple implemented it in the first place.
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You’re not going to be able to break through a lot of peeps Apple hate on Lemmy, it’s almost as strong as the Microsoft hate.
I said usually. And all of those complaints were overblown or taken way out of context. Like the cable thing? A cheap-ass charging cable from China catches an iPhone on fire, the headlines would read “iPhone catches on fire.” Any hardware manufacturer would be wise to block unlicensed chargers like that. But consider their hardware releases…
Smartphones prior to the iPhone sucked.
MP3 players prior to the iPod sucked.
Tablets prior to the iPad sucked.
Smart watches prior to the Apple Watch sucked.
Apple is what we call “Sondermüll”.
Be phone engineer
Finally manufacture one-atom thick phone
The screen is nearly entirely invisible due to its thinness
You can’t tap it anywhere or it immediately breaks into a million crumbs like filo dough
The components had to be spread over a 200 square meter sheet to fit all their atoms side by side
Present product to the board, instantly promoted to CEO
Product releases
Everyone buys the waferphone
“It’s so thin” say consumers
“Unparalleled convenience and an incredible feat of engineering” say reviewers
Third parties begin selling titanium insulation sheetcases to protect your waferphone
Too big and heavy to take outside, everyone stores their waferphones underground at waferlockers
All phones are now completely inaccessible remotely or physically
Technological nirvana attained at last
We think you’re gonna love it.
I would like a feature where you fold an iphone into a linux phone.
Gonna need to ask santa for that next year ;) you juuust missed the cutoff.
I’m quietly praying a certain launch goes so we’ll we see a steam phone eventually.
I’m just looking for a device that can also perfectly hold my tacos
I mean, do they even have a case against them? It’s not like they stole the information, or signed a contract with Apple.
Also, fuck Apple, and Google, and the rest of them. If they can’t keep a lid on their “secrets”, that’s on them.
I’m focusing on the lawsuit part, because IDGAF about new phones.
I’m prone to believing that a lot of those things presented as “leaks” are actually the company in question doing it by themselves behind the curtains - because let’s face it - people want sensationalism and they won’t shut up about something like that.
Someone forgot an unreleased phone at a bar? I call bullshit.
There are a few people that Apple would love to delete from the face of the planet.
Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman, who’s consistently divulging Apple’s plans, is one. TF International Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who is always sharing information based on his supply chain checks, is high up on the list, too.
Apple uses Gurman for controlled leaks to build hype. He hasn’t been sued yet.
But YouTuber Jon Prosser is public enemy number one that Apple is trying to truly silence. And for good reason: the man who Apple sued in July for leaking iOS 26 and Liquid Glass keeps spoiling Apple’s unreleased products with high-quality 3D renders in his videos
Now Prosser, Apple definitely doesn’t use him for leaks since he is being sued. He’s just an idiot.
I was actually looking at foldable phones a few weeks back, seems like 2 screens isn’t enough to make a difference, but 3 screens are. It’s either I get that or a foldable 1 screen phone (like a flip phone).
On another note, after Tim apple bribed Trump with a gold ball I’ve decided to no longer buy apple products again. And it’s kind of a big deal because I’ve had iPhones since 2008.
I’m not disagreeing with you but whose phone do you plan on buying next? Pichai + Brin also bribed trump (they were at the inauguration alongside Tim Apple and others)
I don’t know yet. I’ll get a new phone when this one dies. The point is that I used to buy iPhones as default, and that is no longer the case. I wonder how many customers they lost like me - theoretically I could have been a life long customer.
don’t forget to not buy new. buy a used device whenever possible, unless you specifically want to support a particular company
Was going to say this. Second hand phones don’t give money to corporations (except via usage, of course).
That gold trophy though really rubbed me the wrong way. And Ihate apple for that. And yes I know they all donated for ballroom paid for inauguration. They’re all shit but Apple is the shitiest IMO.
Only issue is gapps there are lots of phones not made by Americans.
Buy secondhand, especially if you still want iphones. Money goes to lower class (something like Facebook marketplace has no tax), no money to “less bad” competing companies, and you’ll get a much cheaper product which still has the “appleness” you want.
So if wasn’t their overpriced cult bullshit that turned you off Apple. Well at least you drew the line at their endorsement of a felonious authoritarian pedo. Minimum possible bar cleared.
It makes huge difference. I’m on Fold since Fold 4 and would never go back to a slab phone mostly because I just read books or text web/social media. The square display is perfect for this as you get proper 80-120 character lines with large font and enough space for media etc.
It’s either I get that or a foldable 1 screen phone (like a flip phone).
From the times when things were actually convenient to use. Buttons shouldn’t get random presses while the thing is in your pocket. Screens should be protected from scratches and dirt while in your pocket. It’s more compact when folded while in your pocket, while thicker, but an apple fits in my pocket, so thickness is not a problem.
Remind me what happened? Ah, yes, Steve Jobs went out on a stage and confused the hell out of millions of hamsters, telling them he’s brought them their Star Trek communicator. Well, that’s not what he said, but that’s what they heard and what he meant.
I’ve gotten used to making sure my hands are not sweaty when using a phone, and that it’s practically not usable when it’s cold and your fingers are not very precise, like when walking or when in a crowded place, and that you should be careful with that pocket to not occasionally unlock the thing and repost something personal into apartment building common WhatsApp chat, things like that.
But sometimes I recall that with a Motorola flip phone I could do everything with no loss of ability or speed in all these situations.
Not even talking about battery life.
On another note, after Tim apple bribed Trump with a gold ball I’ve decided to no longer buy apple products again.
Oh, that’s when.
You might like this, maybe: https://github.com/Dakkaron/Fairberry
As if a foldable mobile was some kind of industry super secret anyway. Apple is a joke.
I like the idea of a foldable phone but what I really want is a phone that folds enough to fit in my women’s pants pockets.
The other solution is to make women’s pants with pockets that can actually hold things.
inconceivable!
They do, they’re just not skin tight. You can’t really fit much into a pocket in super tight jeans.
You’ve obviously never shopped for women’s clothes. Even sport shorts don’t have pockets, it’s absolutely ridiculous
I’ve literally seen pants that have what looks like pockets but when you actually check there no actual pockets there. It’s like they cut the hole, made the folds, then stitched them closed.
It blows my mind!
Yes and no… Women do complain about a lack of pockets, while simultaneously buying pants that physically don’t have room for pockets.
But on the other side of the same coin, women’s heavy duty cargo pants have smaller interior pockets too. Like the exterior pouch pockets may be the same/equivalent size, but the main front and back pockets are often still tiny. There’s no real way to rationalize that or blame women for it, because that’s the entire point of the pants, and there is 100% enough room for larger pockets in those baggier pants.
And no, they often can’t just buy men’s pants, because the cut is very different. Guys tend to have narrower hips and wider waists. Women wearing men’s pants will tend to have the waistband fit (but can’t get their hips into them) or be able to get their hips into the pants (but then need to cinch down the waist by a ridiculous and uncomfortable amount). Women’s pants tend to have more hip room and narrow waistbands, to account for that.
I am AFAB - been wearing mens pants for years and I don’t have a problem fitting into them. Probably largely depends on individual body shape and even then, taking measurements and matching it to the correct waistband/inseam size usually works out.
My crackpot conspiracy theory is that women’s pants pockets are smaller in order to force women to buy and use purses.
Even jeans that aren’t skin tight don’t have full pockets.
This is actually why I adore my Motorola razr. First phone I’ve had in I don’t know how many years that fits easily into the front pocket of my jeans and is relatively unnoticeable. Love the folding form factor.
Or perhaps just get a pair of pants that doesn’t suck? Designing a phone around womens complete lack of self awareness seems not so good, it’s way to volatile.
I can see you don’t spent much time with women.
Women aren’t choosing pants with shitty pockets intentionally.
That’s the result of women choosing it over and over again…If women got to their senses and actually started NOT buying that junk, what do you think all the big mega corps producing tons and tons of clothes will do? Continue producing same shit clothes or adapting the factories to new, more reasonable clothes?
So we should just not wear pants until however long it takes to happen?
Or just buy the few that actually exists. Thanks to the internet, you can order from many locations, just using a small device that fits your palm. Matter of fact, these days you can place an order with your voice in many locations as well.
You’re wrong about why women’s clothes don’t have pockets. Women were never given a choice to buy clothing with pockets.
Initially, pockets were not accessible in women’s clothing due to the layers they were required to wear. After the suffragette movement when liberated women began to wear pants, designers intentionally kept pockets small to prop up the purse industry.
Handbags are one of the most profitable items in the fashion industry.
So, yeah but no…the clothes with actual pockets do exist. Spoiled female brats wont buy it though, instead complain about it.
I’m not in the same boat and don’t claim to be.
I use a phone with a keyboard attachment and thus my phone is too large to fit many man’s trouser pockets either.
So now when I shop for trousers, I intentionally check whether my phone fits the pockets and weigh large pockets over looks.
It would be interesting if there’s at least some women’s trousers with large enough pockets. If there are and women in large numbers actually buy these and reject small-pocket trousers no matter the looks, I think that could get some traction.
If there’s really not a single pair of trousers available, even via online shopping, that has decently sized pockets, then of course that wouldn’t work.
I would guess (and this is decidedly an uneducated guess based on maybe a dozen or so women I talked with about that topic), many women do dislike small pockets, but dislike bad style, bad fit or bad looks more.
There are a few companies that go out of their way to make pants for women with pockets. Nothing at any local retailer an it sucks to buy clothes online when you can try them on, especially since women’s sizing is an absolute nightmare.
I buy men’s work out clothes so I can have pockets when I’m lounging around the house.
Some of next years linux phones look quite compelling. Lora radios and powerful enough to pull off what canonical and Microsoft failed to do years ago.
If they succeed, it will be absolutely devastating to an industry that absolutely deserves to be slapped around. One device that transforms to fill multiple demands based on what you plug it into. It’s the continuum concept without Microsoft tripping over its own dick.
Can you link to some of the Linux phones you are talking about. My next phone will be a linux phone and it’s 9+ months out.
I don’t remember. There were 2 I recently saw, one with interchangeable gable bottom face plates and the other…I don’t remember. I don’t save them anymore since half of these damn things never materialize but there’s so much effort in that space now and literally the entire world fucking hates the techbros now so it’s going to happen.
Personally speaking, requirements for a phone now include a high resolution camera, NFC payments, some sort of screen mirroring for cars.
I had to revert from gOS because two of those were not working.
NFC payments are nice, but honestly I could use a case with a credit card shoved in it to get the same effect. A good camera is important, but the “screen mirroring” of Android Auto and Apple Car Play are hard to go without.
Especially since most modern cars don’t allow you to replace the stereo. I’ve got a double-din, I could mount a tablet or raspberry pi, setup some sort of a system to automatically turn on hotspot on bluetooth connect, sync my podcasts between phone and car, and I’d have something about 80% of the way there and about 90% more janky.
Wait your pants have pockets and they’re not vestigial
Most of them are. I can really only carry things in back pockets, but then it makes sitting awkward.
Two iPhone Airs sticked together for the price of two and a half. Great job 👏
People who own Apple devices are instantly lower on my respectometer.
People who judge other people based on nothing other than what technology brand they use instantly are instantly lower on my respectometer.
Fuck off with that shit.
I used Symbian for years, then I used android tablets as a complement to the Symbian phones for years, then I got an iPhone for work, and when my last Symbian device died I got an iPhone as I knew the OS from my work phone. A few years later I tried an Android phone for a few months, but when the display got totaled in a drop, and I had to send the phone away, I just got back to my iPhone as it was easier to fix on the spot in local repair shops.
I am an IT guy, I don’t care about blue or green bubbles, if you are on Android, that is fine, that probably works better for you, for me iOS has so far served me well.
Stop judging others for their preference of tech brands. Apple and Google are both evil.
It’s not just about the bubbles - it’s about having congruent feature sets. When the Android phone joins the group message, the experience is notably different.
The other thing that drove me to iPhone over Android is that the experience is largely consistent. You can tell people what to do from a far based on OS version and phone model because there are so few models. It’s really hard to ask your elderly parent which phone and is this or that feature available remotely. You never know which manufacturer removed what feature
In iOS? Go here. Do this. Do that. Done
Things are a lot better now that the EU forced apple’s hand in implementing RCS, at least.
I haven’t forgotten the fact that at the apple event announcing iMessage they claimed it would come to other platforms at a later date. That was before they realized what a strong moat it was. For how much they claim to put the user first, they really only do so when it benefits their bottom line or they’re forced to by regulators. Fingers crossed third party app stores come to more places than just the EU and Japan.
EU forced apple’s hand in implementing RCS
This isn’t even a little bit true.
If you need to claim this was external pressure, China was an actual driver of this but did not force this either.
The main reason is to get away from legacy sms/mms systems. Sending and receiving on the iPhone side is messy as a poor user experience for Apple’s users.
One small example is how SMS gets split at 160 and would often come out of order because of the limitations of sms.
The cell networks are moving to a pure data layer model. Sms don’t send over data, RCS does. Same reason everything it volte now.
Things currently fall back to sms, but expect it to be dead within a decade as future hardware cycles through (on the carrier side) and support is dropped in favor of streamlined protocols.
Ah, looks like I was misremembering, thanks for setting me straight. Got me wondering if I’m hallucinating about the multiplat promise now too
FTFY: People who own Apple devices and believe they are superior are morons.
I judge people on way more. E.g. on verbose comments on inconsequential asocial media posts ;)
Lucky for you, I don’t judge people for replying to the wrong comment.
See, it’s inconsequential.
FTFY
FTFY: People who ~
own Apple devices and~ believe they are superior are morons.
Remove the outside screen and all cameras and I’d be slightly more interested.
remove all the screens and the charging port and I’m sold.
Remove the whole phone and I’m touching grass
More of a fidget toy at that point. I’m in. I’d go as high as $8.
It too late for this product to succeed. If it isn’t absolutely perfect, it won’t matter that it’s great. It took so long to get here the public has unrealistic expectations now.
Meanwhile, the techbros and pretty much poisoned consumer electronics and everyone is looking for a way to jump ship.
I think we are going to see Linux phones get sales like the iPhone air did this year, which weren’t great for Apple but mean something very different for competition.
Whose making this phone. Nothing coming out seems decent yet. The best one has cut down specs from its none Linux version.
Well I’m pretty sure Android is a Linux offshoot iirc? Fair phone comes to mind but I’m not sure if it’s linux based
The biggest problem with these is the price. Apple wants us on a two year upgrade cycle but these phones are $1500-2000. That’s insane.
Apple was actually the first to offer several years of software updates and usually their hardware has been very durable. The 1-2 year upgrade cycle on Apple was only ever for stupid clout chasers who think it matters if you have the latest. Among regular Apple users, keeping a phone for years isn’t uncommon.
Still wouldn’t buy one of these because I don’t want my phone to fold. I want a new iPhone mini. And ideally a Mini Pro.
I’m not sure if it’s possible but a mini pro but with good battery life would be the ultimate phone for me personally. I’m basically always on my feet but use my phone a lot so a large battery is important, but I also want a small phone and a good camera. I doubt that’ll happen though.
He says potentially 2000-2500 for this one.
I just bought a 1-year-old phone I really like for $120
That is literally a Pixel Fold
Watched the video on mine. I was thinking the same thing lol. Only difference is the alleged no center dent, which, tbh, people make too big of a deal out of. Once you use it for a bit you don’t even notice it anymore. Meh.
Omg it is it even has the horrible curved screen and little notch. How could apple do this horrendous design. Oh wait they gave the notch.
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