Soon, Old Glory will have to be born in the land of the free and not merely flying over it.
Congress has passed a proposal to require the federal government to purchase only American flags that have been completely manufactured in the U.S. The U.S. imports millions of American flags from overseas, mostly from China, and the sponsors of the proposal said it’s time for American flags to originate in the country they represent.
Supporters of the proposal, led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio, said the change is more than just symbolic — they believe it will support American jobs and manufacturers while preserving the nation’s most recognized banner.
So, who’s the donor friend who owns flag manufacturing facilities?
Hello young person, do you know why you should care about the government? Me neither. JFC can we address something that actually matters you fucking empty uniforms. Sorry. Great share, and thanks!
Yeah but take the small wins where you can get them. This is a good thing and we should celebrate even if for a short moment.
my grandfather heard that crock of horse shit his whole childhood and when he grew into an adult he told his kids the same lie
Baby steps we will get there on small victories.
am not telling my kids the same lie
shit does not get better because some less than quarter ass solution got implemented
I hope you never have kids if you’re going to tell them they have nothing to look forward to.
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Nobody needs foreign propaganda when Congress feeds us literal crumbs as the answer to offshoring. Yay we created 10 jobs. This is the fucking Senate. Not a random Appalachian county council.
I kinda relate with him here. It seems your options are to not have kids or to lie to them.
In the US today:
- women can vote
- people of all races can vote
- people of all races can own property
- there is no (official) slavery
- gay people can marry (for now)
- your boss isn’t allowed to fire you because you are gay
- your boss isn’t allowed to fire you for religion
- we got the 40 hour work week and weekends
- child labor is (mostly) outlawed
- women can go to college
- prohibitions like on alcohol and marijuana are slowly fading away
- the grocery store has avocados all year long
But yeah, nothing ever changes incrementally. All those activists who worked their whole lives to peacefully bring these things about, well, that was a waste.
ETA: I’m aware that the end of slavery was not quite “peaceful.” I stand by the point that things are getting better all the time, and that it is mostly from incremental gains.
Literally none of that was achieved via incremental politics.
- women can vote
- people of all races can vote
- people of all races can own property
All arrived at via constitutional amendments after mass protests opposed by moderates at the time.
- there is no (official) slavery
Penal slavery is still rampant and officially allowed. And a fucking CIVIL WAR to get rid of chattel slavery is about as far from peaceful incrementalism as you can get.
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- gay people can marry (for now)
- your boss isn’t allowed to fire you because you are gay
Supreme court decisions after the incrementalist moderates had gotten nowhere for decades, even passing things like DADT and DOMA.
- we got the 40 hour work week and weekends
- child labor is (mostly) outlawed
Thanks to mass protests and other actions by the labor movement opposed by moderates at the time.
- women can go to college
Again due to mass protests and opposed by moderates at the time
- prohibitions like on alcohol and marijuana are slowly fading away
No thanks to moderates, who have been dragging their feet until they could no longer get away with it
- the grocery store has avocados all year long
Due to sellers of fruit wanting to make money selling fruit.
But yeah, nothing ever changes incrementally
Nothing significant, at any rate.
All those activists who worked their whole lives to peacefully bring these things about, well, that was a waste.
Many of these weren’t brought about peacefully and, as I’ve already explained, none of them incrementally.
Every one of those things was incremental. Of course women never had a partial right to vote which grew stronger all the time. They suddenly had all of that right at once. But the process that got us there was incremental change in people’s perceptions and attitudes. And that whole issue was one increment in the broader picture of all rights and protections for all people.
I’m very grateful to be alive today (and in the US) rather than 150 years ago. I owe most of that thanks to folks who worked peacefully, often in the face of terrible violence, to persuade good people to rethink their bad policies.
We have much further to go, of course.
Every one of those things was incremental
No. That’s flat out false. The literal opposite of reality.
the process that got us there was incremental change in people’s perceptions and attitudes
That’s not incremental politics, though, that’s natural cultural progress that happens regardless (if not in spite) of your precious moderates.
MLK was right about moderates: they always have been and always will be much more devoted to order than to justice.
That’s not incremental politics, though, that’s natural cultural progress that happens regardless (if not in spite) of your precious moderates.
I said nothing about incremental politics nor about moderates.
women can vote until some police officer gets them on trumped up charges because he is on a prolife kick
people of all races can vote as long as they are allowed to new ways to ban people from voting are made up all the time
yes people of all races can own property if they can afford to $7.25 is still the minimum wage average US citizen’s purchasing power has not increased since about the 60s
corporations use prison slave labor all the time even McDonalds
yes for now marriage equality is a thing and Harris is the only loud supporter on this so far that is in the public eye this much
in right to work states yes they can
again in a right to work state a boss could fire you because he is having a bad day
but it takes more than 40 hours to afford just food and housing
if the people grow up in an environment filled with pollution and negatively they may get to college
justice for some is justice delayed it should be fifty states under one union
no cannabis prohibitions are ramping up not getting better bad products have flooded the market due to lack of regulations and lack of lab tested products
again with the lack of worker’s rights and stagnation of pay yes only if you got the funds for those avocados
Just FYI, you’re mixing up right to work and at-will employment. Right to work has nothing to do with with being fired.
Right to work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
Did you read the article you linked to? Because it doesn’t support your point at all.
again in a right to work state a boss could fire you because he is having a bad day
In the United States, right to work has nothing to do with at-will employment. Succinctly, right-to-work laws prevent unionized workplaces from requiring employees who opt not to join the union (an option required by the Taft-Hartley Act) to pay toward the cost of union representation. That’s it. It’s all in the article you linked.
Even the international law definition has nothing to do with at-will employment.
TFW you share a link that decimates your own point.
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They’re literally purging the voting rolls right now.
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They’re literally purging the voting rolls right now.
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You sure can own stuff. Good luck buying it.
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There is official slavery. Read the 13th Amendment again.
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Your Boss can fire you for anything at any time.
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Your Boss can fire you for anything at any time.
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The 40 hour work week is weaponized against hourly employees and non existent for salary employees.
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Child labor is literally back on the menu in red states. And unenforced except for under age immigrants in blue states.
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College requires selling yourself into lifetime debt.
This list wasn’t incremental. When these things happened they were big fucking deals and not baby steps. If we wanted to outlaw child labor again we’d invent some stupid scheme where kids had to spend increasingly less time at work until employers voluntarily stopped hiring them. Instead of how we actually did it. Not only have we allowed all of this to be seriously degraded in the post Reagan era, we’ve forgotten how we actually got this shit done in the first place. We didn’t ask nicely and accept baby steps.
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“nothing short of a revolutionary war is progress”
There is a wide wide gap between a revolution and requiring companies headquartered here to hire 51 percent of their staff from the US.
No. Don’t celebrate performative bullshit. Especially if it’s wrapped in nationalism. Because then all you’ll ever get is performative bullshit wrapped in nationalism. You take this, put it in your pocket, say thanks, and pick the pitch fork right back up.
Bingo.
they believe it will support American jobs and manufacturers
What, like 3 jobs?
Yeah but they’re going to spend $10,000 per flag that costs $0.10 to make. Gotta keep lining those contractor pockets!
This. It’s probably the same contractor they already use, they’re just going to blow the price up.
They will probably be made by slaves, I mean prisoners.
I remember all the cheap Chinese bumper stickers that people were slapping on their cars…an American flag with the words “THESE COLORS DON’T RUN”
Within a couple months most of the flag color had faded. It was so funny seeing a light pink and blue American flag with that contradictory phrase over it.
How about we just fly fewer flags. I live in the center of the US and don’t need to be reminded by every public building, car lot, and bigot’s house of what country I live in.
Official federal and state buildings, those are fine.
But what if you are walking between aisles in walmart, and suddenly become unsure what country you are in?
The 400 woman on a mobility scooter blocking the isle will probably clue me in.
Oh my gosh, could you imagine? This problem is especially bad during early July. I just thank God they put reminders up. Otherwise I might forget and think I’m a communist or something!
This bill is literally about the federal government purchasing flags, not private citizens…
I remember the vacation road trips of my youth, when our family would drive from Canada down into the US to go camping. We’d make a game of counting the American flags we saw. Occasionally there’d be some “game over” property with more flags festooning it than we could actually count before we drove past. It’d be a boring game to count Canadian flags in a similar way. There’d be one or two per day of travel.
To be fair, it is extremely weird to imagine the U.S. government buying U.S. flags from China. Like, I’m not some patriot flag-code respecting type, but it does feel like a powerful metaphor to be importing our symbol of freedom from abroad. It’s some severely bad optics at a minimum.
Sounds very american to me.
I’ve always said that “made in China” is way more American than “made in the USA”.
Yep, even giving a shit where a piece of cloth was made is fucking weird
but it does feel like a powerful metaphor to be importing our symbol of freedom from abroad
Freedom to buy from the lowest cost provider!
It will support one company that gets the GSA contract.
We have so much shit going on in this country and this is what we’re worried about?
Ohio, Maine, come get your senators. They’re drunk.
Im pretty sure Ohio is also drunk, and Maine is too busy dealing with eldritch entities and whatever is pushed out of the Maritime into the US.
Maybe they should just elect one of those next time?
Yeah but elect Ygndolsofuk doesnt quite roll of the tongue, and im pretty sure the abominations from the Maritime cant talk after being curbstomped so as to stop them from whispering in folks brains.
“Don’t be a shmuck, vote Ygndolsofuk!” works pretty well tbh.
Maine is also plenty drunk, somebody needs to cut off the Allen’s coffee brandy supply and let them sober up.
Im pretty sure thats to not have their minds melted by eldritch abominations. It worked for Henderson.
I didn’t realize this is how it worked, where can i pick up Mr. Vance? I have some choice words for him
Oh just ask the secret service. It’s like a daycare situation. They’re literally just waiting for a parent or guardian to show up.
Senator Brown is a great senator and literally the only statewide Democrat we have other than a few state Supreme Court justices (who will be out soon now that Republicans added party affiliation to the court ballot). He will be far better for America than Bernie Moreno.
I know nothing about Senator Brown other than this bill. At any rate it passed so they’re certainly not alone.
Ohio senators are probably high, it’s legal.
The current number of congresspersons, 435, was created in 1913. In the 1920 census the US population was 29,662,053.
29,662,053/435 ~= in 1913 there were 68,188 persons per member of Congress.
In 2020 the population was 331,449,281
331,449,281/435 ~= in 2020 there were 761,952 persons per member of Congress.
One person can’t represent three quarters of a million people in a national assembly. That isn’t representation.
You think those numbers are bad? Wait till you look up the averages for each US Senator.
But do you think American flags should be made in America?!?
Perhaps one day we’ll finally ratify Article the First.
If memory serves, I believe GOP Senator Susan Collins was the one who exercised great skill in brow furrowing - and nothing further - when expressing disapproval over felon Drink Bleach’s reckless behavior.
Yeah I like the idea here, but I saw Susan Collins and thought “Aw fuck what bullshit from yonder asshole breaks?”
It’s like they know that one of our major problems is that capitalists have destroyed all our manufacturing and sent all of our production jobs overseas thus weakening our economy our society and our National Defense. Yet instead of doing anything about it they just do this thumb their nose bill that does nothing. Kind of like a fuck you to the entire country.
I’d really like to see who drafted this bill and a who the share holders in the company that will be making these flags are. My gut says they are the same people.
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I read your comment as “hanging tractors” and for the split second I was confused as hell.
Apparently the mods are fucking confused, too, somehow thinking that it’s not okay to follow the law when it comes to treason.
Fine. Then China will produce 99.98% of the flag and an American factory will put 2 stitches and a “Made in America” tag on it.
So you didn’t read the article and are just making shit up in your head? Got it.
Even with current rules, 50% of the flag has to be American made.
Typical.
On its surface that’s not a horrible position for a government to take.
It’s not unreasonable for the national government (in any country) to give some level of local preference to all procurement, not only something symbolic like flags. That would actually incentivize companies to onshore more of their manufacturing - or at least slow down their offshoring.
Millions of people dying on the street.
The government: lets play with flags!
You can’t have a country without a flag!!
Since the dawn of time, wars have been waged. The US isnt the worlds police even as much as we pretend. We cant stop war.
Homeless people, disabled people, drug additcs, massive gun crime, crazy motor accidents because no public transit.
Hundreds of thousands of people are dying on AMERICAN streets
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MILLIONS! lol
Every year in the US:
- 50k die from gun violence
- 40k die from road deaths
- 120k die from overdose
- 1k die trying to cross border
- 25k die of starvation
- 2k die of homelessness complications
- 70k die of lack of healthcare access for treatable disease
Okay, it you add that up, its hundreds of thousands, not millions, I estimated too high.
But its nothing to laugh about.
Interesting you put the deadliest one 3rd. But that one involves policing the border, and you dont want that, do you?
We could also treat drug addiction as a medical problem and not a crime, and prohibit drug testing in exchange for social services.
That works real well for California, doesn’t it?
We have the highest preventable death rate in the developed world. That’s diseases and deaths that were preventable with correct medical treatment or diet.
And we’re talking about fucking flags.
What a waste of our time
