Yes, I’ve read Marx and Engels. Yes, I’ve read Conquest Of Bread. Yes, I’ve read Lenin. Yes, I’ve read up on the history of socialist movements.
But yeah, I’m just an ignorant anti-tankie swine. If I read one more Holy Text, THEN I would be enlightened.
I adore Marx, and the only reason I don’t regard myself as a Marxist is because I’m not married to many of his interpretations which have been somewhat superseded by later sociological theory on the importance of non-material conditions and postmodernist critiques of structured narratives within the soft sciences. But hey, I’m just some right-wing chud, clearly. I hold every opinion ascribed to me in this comment thread despite often and on this very website espousing the literal opposite position.
This is why tankies and their apologists are so fucking insufferable.
Totally get you, though:
sociological theory on the importance of non-material conditions and postmodernist critiques of structured narratives within the soft sciences.
Maslow’s heirarchy usually holds up to the former. But for the latter? It is a realm rife with grift. Even the best intentions can end up warped or being co-opted. So that’s probably where the contention comes from especially if you start with an aggressive posture.
So which communities in the ml instance have such views?
The admins for fucking one. I’m about to go to bed, but you can check about ‘Sinophobia’ bans for talking about the Uyghur genocide for proof on the admins. I’ll dredge up some choice examples from Lemmygrad when I wake up, if you’re still interested.
Damn I left reddit because of shitty politically moralized admin censorship. Is there really no escape from this hell
Defederation, we got the tools, just use em.
I really don’t know how to use the tools lol. I wouldn’t begin to know hot to filter .ml instances
The admins for fucking one.
Which .ml admins are pro-Israel?
I think you might have misread the meme. They aren’t pro-israel, but they’re willing to overlook genocide in China using the same defensive rhetoric that pro-israel people use.
Guess I’m another proud ban of the world news .ml instance. Honestly, the pettiness of the mods over there is insane. They’re a cult. I can’t help but think they’re at least partly hijacked by some state sponsored astroturfing campaign.
Couple weeks back I got a 30 day. Made no comment in their instance. Was a random preemptive ban. The mod account listed the reason as a rule 4 violation. That’s their rule for spam and ads.
Yup it has been fairly recent that they’ve just started handing out bans for activity on other instances. You can tell they are very upset that they aren’t the biggest instance anymore and hate that they can’t control the whole fediverse as such.
Ooo so we can make jokes about “you have been banned from ml”.
Yep and for commenting here I picked up a few more preemptive bans in other sections of ml.
It’s pitiful behavior really. If their ideology was so solid they shouldn’t need to stop someone like me also on the left disagreeing with their authoritarian solutions. Everyone should be against authoritarianism period.
How dare you suggest Xi Xinping isn’t the greatest benefactor of humanity of all times, you filthy capitalist pig? And I’m only slightly exaggerating here.
They don’t like it when I drag my balls across Xi Jinping’s face and he starts motorboating for sure.
The modlog there is wonderful. Bans all over the place without context to the reasons, what the banned might have done, or who was the mod
well, that’s at least in line with how things are run by the CCP
It’s because if you get into it with a tankies on another instance, or talk shit about them (like in this thread) they will get butthurt and go find anything you’ve posted on .ml recent and ban you for it.
People need to realize that .ml isn’t some innocent actor just trying to keep themselves free of trolls. They 100% intend to leverage their status within the fediverse to keep their thumb on the scale.
Anything against groupthink is removed. Downvotes are not enough. It straight to the gulag.
I got banned from one of the .ml communities in my first week here for simply saying I didn’t believe in any particular form of government.
Like, that’s all I said. I told them socialism, capitalism, communism - I think we need a mix, not a selection. And they were like BANNED. I didn’t swear, nor was a disrespectful - I simply dissented, and their CCP brains exploded from my audacity.
This was way back when most of us came over on the FuckSpezflower.
I am so relieved to hear those bans aren’t uncommon.
I’m new from Reddit (where I was similarly banned for questioning questionable news sources in relatively niche subs), and I was so sure this was a set up that fostered a bit more conversation and etiquette, like waayyy forever ago. So I was pretty upset when I got eviscerated for trying to argue a coherent point there in favor of using media literacy tools in order to help evaluating sources for bias and funding.
I, too, am quite suspicious, given those mods and associated power posters on lemmy.ml, that there is a coordinated propaganda campaign there. Or, there are some turbo-nerd-tankies that regurgitate it at the speed of light of their own volition.
Tankies, like other fash, tend to push others out of spaces due to their vileness. I think it’s just a self-reinforcing cycle rather than coordination.
I think they do it intentionally to maintain their echo chamber of propaganda.
Is a real bummer because I am quite a lefty in my own group and general society, and I was hoping for some challenges from further left. But I guess if it’s not straight up revolutionary blood lust it’s just authoritarianism apologists.
Again, it’s one of the reasons I was stoked to join the lemmy/fediverse in the first place.
Yeah. They are not further left, they’re just the slightly left wing inside the rest of right wing fascism
Yeah, they pretty much just simp for any authoritarian that calls themselves communist.
You know, typical leftist things… /s
When I understood they’re descendents of ChapoTraphouse it all made sense. Half are righty astroturfers posing; some other sizable chunk are assuredly edgy teenagers. Some are foreign operatives. The rest are, frankly, the duped.
I would actually pay to see the look on Dessalines face when he realizes that he’s the nerd God to a bunch of teenagers.
I blocked them because their users, thinking I was Jewish, were constantly harassing me.
They banned me from memes because I won an argument with the mod about how Credit Scores work in the USA.
How dare you, you monster!
I got an account banned for suggesting that their meme responses are childish and cringy.
Is it ml or grad that hosts a Mao reading group on their discord?
I don’t even mind that, and regularly attend those kinds of events at local campuses or book stores.
But why have those discussions if you’re just going to ban people who question theory from literally 70 years ago? Times change, and so frank discussions about what to bring into this he future to help with global emancipation isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
But don’t try to tell me that none of these dictators did anything wrong, or that they should be forgiven because other people do bad shit, too.
Not sure, but
.mlmakes you quote from an approved list of communist dogma as part of the application process 😆I am not making that up: https://lemmy.ml/signup
Patrick, that work is from Engels and marxists.org is a Trotskyist site. Hardly tankie shit
Oh so that’s why Lemmy is morbidly centrist/neoliberal.
Centrist? People may not be full blown Marxist around here, but they’re pretty close. Just ask about landlords or universal healthcare or unions.
lmao no people regularly call me a shill for the CCP/Russia/etc at a frequency I’ve not encountered in other online spaces. they call me “grad”, hexbear etc, like those are slurs? The transphobia is rampantly unchecked, any trans related article has a ton of gender-critical (transphobic) take. My experience is that there may be some Token Issues, but generally people are very centrist and hostile to leftists.
Dude, your instance is all about trans people? I am kinda new here (6 months?), and I almost never see any hate speech towards trans people, at most some comment with 50 downvotes that is going to me deleted by a mod in a couple odd hours…
And maybe you are confusing leftists with tankies. Tankies think that russia and china are ok, because they are anti-us imperialism, and defend the soviet union because it was socialist and what not. Most leftist here aren’t tankies, and they recognize that china, russia and the ussr where/are brutal regimes that killed thousands. We still want socialism, but we don’t support genocide because you pretend to be socialist/anti capitalist/imeperialist…
I’m talking about gender critical, it’s not overt transphobia so you have to pay attention and look out for more than just slurs.
I’m not confusing tankies and lefties, for one tankies are a subcategory of leftists. But people on here see any leftist comment and will comment about people being shills.
The transphobia is rampantly unchecked, any trans related article has a ton of gender-critical (transphobic) take.
I’m talking about gender critical, it’s not overt transphobia so you have to pay attention and look out for more than just slurs.
My my, look how fast those goalposts move…
I’m not confusing tankies and lefties, for one tankies are a subcategory of leftists.
Tankies are a subcategory of authoritarians.
The trans to tankie pipeline is imo even more fascinating than the hippie to fascist one. I like to hang out in blahaj just to gawk at it.
Like, if you go to Russia or China they will kill you. The “liberals” you hate so much are what’s protecting your existence. You’re like a Black person praising the KKK for fighting against government tyranny.
I got several comments deleted on .ml for insulting removed ass pooh bear Xi, even called racist as if dictator is a race.
yeah I think generally the reasoning around it being a racial insult is that winnie the pooh is yellow
Are Asians considered to be yellow or something?
I only think of emojis, the Simpsons, and LEGO characters.
Are Asians considered to be yellow or something?
I mean yeah that’s a pretty infamous kind of racialized portrayal that you’ll see in like old propaganda cartoons or whatever.
While good on you, it is definitely a classic racist terminology. People who refer to Xi as Pooh should probably be aware of it.
I see so much whining about tankies, and so few tankies.
Once world has defederated from .ml, which is the next instance to be designated the tankie instance?
What are you on about? lemmy.ml has always been a tankie instance, that was the first Lemmy instance and it was set up by the tankie devs.
And you’re on lemmy.world, which has defederated from most of the extreme tankie instances anyway.
Damn you roasted that strawman.
Are the tankies in the room with us now?
no there aren’t any tankies in the fediverse
You forgt the “/s”
insisting on the use of “/s” to denote sarcasm is actually a worse crime than anything mao or stalin ever did
no i will not be taking questions
Then perish.
It’s reassuring that most people have forgotten about hexbear.
Think a lot of big places defederated with lemmygrad and hexbear. .ml slipped under the radar, so you have to block it manually.
Nah lemmy.ml didn’t slip under the radar, it’s intentionally still federated with because it’s the main instance of the core lemmy developers. Said developers also own and operate lemmygrad, but lemmy.ml is meant to be neutral ground.
lemmy.ml never really used to be that bad, either. It was only after the mass defederation of hexbear that users from there started making alt accounts in other instances, lemmy.ml being one of the main ones and, unfortunatley, lemm.ee getting its share also. lemmy.ml is still ostensibly neutral ground, however now it has a pack of refugee users skewing how its perceived.
I think feddit.uk is still federated with hexbear btw.
Nah man, I’ve been banned twice now simply for mentioning that time Russia shot down a civilian airliner over Ukraine. .ml is very fucking far from neutral.
i left .ml because i kept getting banned when arguing with tankies
I think it was primarily /c/worldnews over there that has that issue, what really doesn’t help is they use the same font and colour as the same community from lemmy.world.
Nah ml isn’t neutral. I was banned for saying NATO is a defence alliance
I also find shitjustworks to be bad.
Isn’t lemm.ee still federated with hexbear? I used to have an account over there and fled to .world when the admin refused to stop apologizing for their God awful behavior.
What happened to them anyway?
They defederated because people were being mean to them (after they brigaded numerous threads, were omnipresent nuisances and annoyances, and posted a pig shitting on its own balls everywhere).
Given that “the dunk tank” is still one of their bigger subs, id say theyre still brigading.
Back when blahaj.zone defederated from hexbear the tankies started brigading blahaj and spamming comments about how “transphobic” blahaj’s mods/admin are. I pointed out how absurd this argument was given the admin and many of the mods are actual trans people.
This upset some moron and they posted a comment “calling me out” on c/dunktank.
Yup, sounds about right. And then they circlejerk over how righteous they are 🙄
.world defederated with hexbear preemptively, but i’m sure hexbear would have defederated with .world pretty quickly anyway.
But i shouldn’t speculate, and you shouldn’t lie.
Preemptively? It should’ve happened even sooner. They should lose .ml also.
