“This lawsuit is brought to prevent this from ever happening again”
In the country where cop abuse happens all the time, and nothing ever stops or prevents it.
And we (as a whole) worship the police, especially thru idealized shows like Law & Order.
I’ve seen a bunch of rights violations on Law & Order.
My first thought after reading that sentence was “I have some bad news for her…”
Edit: fixed dad to bad.
Does she not know who her dad is? Or maybe you’re referring to the child’s father?
It was bad dad news.
How even? Are the cops supposed to search the ground first? Like seriously, regardless of the circumstances leading to the arrest, how to prevent that?
Or listen to her screaming about the ants biting her face.
Like she was in the bodycam video.
What a stupid fucking take. She said there were fire ants on her face. In that instance you move her. I’m not a cop, and I know this, and wouldn’t do this to someone, because I’m not a fucking moron.
I swear to god you guys who stick up for the cops don’t even think for five seconds before hungrily jamming pig removed down your throats for all to see.
So let’s break this down.
You’re assuming that this was an accident and that he didn’t do it on purpose (he absolutely did). Humoring this theory though, let’s consider your question:
**Q: **Should a cop survey his surroundings, including the ground, before restraining someone?
**A: **Yes, of course, you would be a fucking idiot not to. Furthermore, forcing a person into some sort of hazard and injuring them, even unintentionally, is a problem to be avoided.
How to prevent that?
Your idea seems to be to do nothing at all so I’ll start by saying that’s fucking stupid.
Some might say to abolish law enforcement, but honestly, with compassionate police training emphasizing de-escalation, harm reduction, and civil service, we might actually have an ethical system someday. Also by firing cops on the first offense for use of excess force and blacklisting them from law enforcement for years requiring re-certification to ever become a cop again. And abolishing police unions and narrowing legal immunity for on-duty cops so that they don’t get away with maiming and killing people. And not funneling all of the excesses of the U.S. Military Industrial Complex into the hands of every suburban police department so that they can act as a standing army in our turnkey dictatorship.
Since you are the only person that actually replies: Has nothing to do with the case at hand, as I said (or the person I reply to) generally speaking. Since thinking abstract is hard, here an example: There was an armed robbery, they got the person cornered, one officer gets ready to charge him in order to disarm. This works. Person now on the ground. Face is wherever it happened to land. How to avoid that? Is that possible?
My guy this lady was driving in a bus lane at a school, not armed robbery. What the fuck.
How can you think that I specifically talk about this case? And not an example for why this would not always be possible?
They could try not slamming people to the ground and hogtying them for the crime of… cutting in line at a school drop-off.
Did you even read the article? She accidentally drove the wrong way in a bus lane. Her son was still in the car. The police officer freaked out and instead of calmly talking to her, they called backup and the officer who came freaked out even worse and slammed her to the ground on an ant hill and then ignored her saying that ants were boring her face. You don’t see any point where this could have been avoided?
Mmmm, boot
Treat people like people, would be a nice start.
If you take someone into your custody via an arrest, you are then responsible for their wellbeing. This is common sense.
Imagine if someone is in the middle of a shallow river getting arrested. Would it be okay to hold their head underwater while you are restraining them? Of course not.
The officer is responsible for making sure that the suspect is not put into harms way during the course of having them in their custody. If they fail that very basic expectation, they should not be in law enforcement period.
Yes, cops are supposed to check the ground they are shoving someone’s face into to prevent injury to that person. Maybe not shove any nonviolent faces into the ground at all? But that is too much to ask, I guess.
You can’t be serious
bro even you don’t believe you’ve asked an actual question here
I suppose looking at the ground is beyond the intelligence of most pigs…
Kindly go put your face on a fire ant nest, and then come back and tell us how the cop shouldn’t have moved her once she yelled about the fire ants.
The nests can sometimes be hard to spot, so I’m not voting one way or another on that. But basic human decency says, if you accidentally put someone on a fire ant nest, you move them asap once you notice.
Body worn cameras stop a lot of cop abuse (and also false accusations of abuse) since in the aftermath of some incident the footage often speaks for itself. As is the case here.
She was dropping her son off as school. Her son was still in the car. She drove into the bus lane accidentally. The officer’s response was that he was “scared she was going to run someone over” … while her son who goes to the school is in the car. You could verify that in a 5 second radio call to the front office.
We need to re-think policing in general if cops are allowed to enforce their worst fears instead of seeing what’s actually happening.
I don’t believe for a second that that cop was actually afraid. This reads like he is a bully who grasps at every opportunity to pounce on someone who is in a weaker position than him. Classic bully behaviour that will continue as long as he gets away with it.
My read was that she was trying to bypass the line of cars dropping off kids, and he was trying to stop her so she wouldn’t run over a kid exiting a vehicle. If you’ve ever dropped off kids at school in the morning, you know this is a major nono. The problem is that, if you rush someone yelling “STOP” in that situation, you run the risk of making them panic and do something even more unexpected (like accidentally turn into the bus lane). It would have been better to flag her down calmly, and explain the problem. But this guy was so obsessed with enforcing The Rules that he got aggressive and created a much worse situation for everyone involved.
Without knowing the exact layout of the lanes, I couldn’t be sure, but I do think you’re correct. She did need to stop, but he only escalated the situation.
Considering she had PTSD from a previous police encounter, it sure seems like a regular crossing guard or traffic director without a gun on their hip would’ve prevented this from escalating in the first place.
shh we’re not allowed to victim blame here.
You can point out that someone fucked up and incited the initial incident while still acknowledging that the response was overblown. If someone breaks into my house and I kill them thats one thing, if I instead lock them in a shed and torture them for a month they are still a victim while also initially putting themselves into the situation. Ones a fuck around find out scenario the other is disproportionate insanity.
And if she struggles because of the ants and moves around, she gets beaten, shot with a heart attack machine, and/or shot with a gun, then charged with resisting arrest
or recklessly doped with ketamine
Which apparently is legal and aok according to the recent judgment
even if they overdose you, you cant do anything about it. unless youre rich maybe, as with all facets of the “justice” system
Which judgement are you talking about? In my state, the cops and paramedics were all charged and found guilty
Or just plain old suffocated to death
“resisting arrest without violence”
Look it’s just really difficult to get paid time off as a cop.
I would say she has a strong case.
These ghouls claiming there werent ants there
She has the craziest adult acne then.
murica
Clearly if she had just complied, those ants wouldn’t have bitten her.
Now she’s charged with 50,000 charges of harming a police ant.
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I’d bet they’d understand “lose your job and go to prison”, but somehow it’s a language we’re incapable of speaking.
anybody still waiting around for government and democracy to fix this shit is extremely naive. government is just a form of organization. we have all the tools to organize without the help of government.
Thats true but i do hope we approach our organization a tad bigger and a bit more sensitive then a cop punishing vigilante ring.
why?
Because a group to punish cops is just cops punishing criminals with extra steps.
Systemic oppression is a problem but the police are a symptom rather than the source.
Police is a tool by those in power, one of the main objectives is to protect private properties because ownership of resources is what competition has always been about.
I support pretty much any left pushing operation but my personal angle(dream) would be to further radicalize the youth into being more class conscious and to occupy the space we need to not just survive but thrive as decentralized network of solarpunk communities.
Cops aren’t supposed to punish criminals.
They’re supposed to catch them. Then a whole other branch of the justice system judges what sort of punishment is warranted and yet another branch of the justice system see to the actual punishing. If things went by the book.
Unfortunately the system doesn’t exactly work as it’s supposed to.
Fuck (the current and corrupt) cops.
I don’t think people are smart or sane enough for self governance. Just look how many trump supporters there are. To let them wild and expect to have some sane self organisational system that isn’t outright slavery of minorities…
Democracy is a screening test for anarchism, first step. If you fail it, there is no sense pursuing the latter. Only country apparently smart enough to arrive at the next step - direct democracy, is Switzerland.
What we all really mean is that the current borders in the age of internet grow weaker and weaker. People want to have their own countries with likeminded folks. It’s only a matter of time before internet tribalism materialises in reality as the web permeates our culture deeper and deeper.
USA will probably split sooner or later unless someone can unite people again.
If the problem is MAGA, just get rid of those people. I don’t think we should let a bunch of idiots ruin the utopia that is within reach.
This post has been flagged by the FBi for trying to hold police accountable.
Peaceful protesting only works for so long.
Commander Data discusses terrorism with captain Picard.
Note the prediction for the “Irish Unification of 2024”
ACAB but I don’t agree with vigilantism.
Even if you could get away with it, it’s only a matter of time before some vigilante decides that they too like the cops are the law and starts abusing people.
I imagine a bunch of people dress as green arrow running around yelling “YOU’VE FAILED THIS CITY” and I’m not entirely opposed to it.
Every time there’s a civilian review board it gets undermined by the police and politicians (who rely on the police unions to stay in power).
You’re probably not wrong
Oohh, great idea!
They did the same in the US and Mexico many times already! Start a group of people that protect the others. Obviously, they’ll need guns to do so. They’ll need to recruit new members willing to apply force and so in no time you have the next gang that cuts people into pieces and hangs them from bridges for failed drug sales while they kidnap their next victim for quick money.
Vigilantism never ends well, we are not batman, we are human.
Batman is a human! His superpower is billions and billions of dollars. But it doesn’t seem like that’s very realistic either.
I believe the “police police” is called Internal Affairs.
how well are they doing at their job?
The cruelty is the point. Police are not to protect the people. FTP
police job #1 - protect the police. in us vs them, they joined the gang
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Sorry, best I can do is 2 days paid leave.
2 days is a short time to send them home and get bored so they’d start beating their wives. Give them at least 2 weeks, they earned paid domestic abuse.
You can’t reform or fix a collective of abusers and evil people. ACAB.
Ruben Espinoza, the police chief for the Santa Fe Independent School District
Why the fuck does a school district need a police chief?
Espinoza accused her of “being erratic and noncompliant”
FTFY: ‘Espinoza accused her of “being erratic and not respecting my authoritai”’
I’d be fucking erratic and noncompliant too with my FACE IN A FIRE ANT HILL
Espinoza said that Rogers was “treated with respect” and “professionalism” during her arrest and said there was not a visible ant pile.
She could have been allergic, you heap of trash with a badge.
Right, as someone who is, that’s terrifying. Meanwhile, Everytime anything like this happens every other cop says I wouldn’t do that., but somehow this keeps happening.
Man, the photo of her face. She was completely fucked up.
Yea that’s fucked what they did to her. I’ve had them bite me and it was just a few and on my legs, I can’t imagine the pain having them attack your face.
America is such a violent country. No one comes out unscathed from this madness. Police fears citizens, citizens fear police. Only the gangs and criminals are the winners.
And the average American defends this behavior. Sickening.
Average voter blah blah, that’s why we can’t have nice things. I hate elitism but it’s hard to ignore mundane reality.
This is why education is so important. It’s what separates us from wild beasts.
No, your complacency and unwillingness to press the status quo is the exact thing allowing for Palestinians to be murdered.
But you go ahead and try to feel like you’re doing good. It’s the American way, to look the other way.
Is the lemmy swarmed with bots already? I am not even American and it is wrong to accuse whole country of something. I don’t even do that to Russians or certainly not Chinese even though their governments are way more evil.
I suspect you have some agenda or maybe even are paid in rubles. Weird to see here I thought no geopolitical actors would bother.
Found the bot.
No u
Policing in the UK is based on the principle of public trust and approval. i.e Peelian principles. That doesn’t mean there aren’t terrible racist cops or thugs in the ranks because there are, but generally it means cops aren’t on power trips, recognise they are the public and there to serve the public, not just arrest people, and they also exercise discretion and common sense. Again, not perfect and there are rotten apples, but there is that ethos in policing.
I think that is lacking in US forces. They’re more like a civil military, separate from the public in mentality and adversarial. That said, I think US cops are also burdened with societal problems that shouldn’t be theirs to deal with - mentally ill, homeless, addiction, guns. I’ve seen enough “officer involved shootings” to realise most were justified in the moment. More than half are straight up felons getting into gun fights with cops. Others are gray though - e.g. a crazy homeless dude pulls a knife and charges a cop and of course they shoot the guy - which is justified - but why did society care so little that it came to this? Money spent on programs for addiction, homelessness and mentally ill would pay off in terms of less criminality and less shootings. As would changing policing to be more Peelian in nature.
0 respect for cops. removedes from bourgeoisie state
Zero respect for Americans. You let this happen so long as you sit back and watch.
You think most of us want it like this? What do you want us to do? Organize? Do you know how much the system has been built against that? Against a voice? Against acting out? Its a grinding slog out there, if you want to make your voice heard you basically need to make a career out of it, or have a lot of money to be able to organize.
I’d sue them into insolvency and take the pensions of the entire department.
It doesn’t work like that at all. They get a paid vacation, maybe have to change precincts, and the taxpayers get a bigger bill.
People keep acting like this is some sort of gotcha, but I don’t see it. The police are a part of the government, every dollar in the system is taxpayer money.
The complaint that the money isn’t taken directly from the police department budget is a Red Herring. The state violates people’s rights, the state pays the damages. Fair’s fair.
Would I like to see damage taken from police budgets and pensions? Sure, but we actually need the government to make that the rule. What better way to convince them by making police settlements cost a fortune for the government?
If you have a case to sue the police, even for a little bit, you should do it. Let the state deal with the chaos law enforcement brings them. It’s honestly a great use of your tax dollars to sue the police and win. Do it enough and you might convince others in government to give a shit and consider the current state of policing to be an actual liability. Money seems to be the only language these assholes speak.
And if we do one day see police hold the liability for their actions, there will undoubtedly be larger budgets assigned to police departments to handle that, but then we actually get to see the massive cost police are to taxpayers, and we might actually convince the so-called fiscal conservatives to slash police budgets.
This doesn’t actually work in reality because governments are constantly underfunded and nobody is going to tie a funding shortage in, say for example, 2024 to a lawsuit settled in 2022 over a crime that happened in 2018.
We saw the response to the George Floyd protests in that nobody is going to change their mind about the issue when they’re fed a constant stream of propaganda from police, Facebook, YouTube, the news, etc painting police as heroes because that’s what they portray in movies and TV.
They’ll just whine about how crime is so bad because they don’t have enough funding, and they need more officers/equipment. All they have to do to convince people of this is simply not do their job and every Karen in the city will be screaming on Facebook about how “you get what you vote for” and “this is what happens when you defund the police.” Before too long they’re awarded half the city budget and go back to breaking the law and trampling people’s rights.
