Because nothing about Trump has changed.
More importantly, there’s nothing you can do to convince someone who’s dumb enough to vote for Trump, not to. This is why chasing “swing” voters is a really terrible strategy and always has been. There’s literally nothing Trump could say or do to alienate the voters he has now, no one is undecided on Trump.
What determines the outcome for Democrats is the same it’s ever been; turn out. It’s why Biden won in 2020, it’s why the GOP is constantly trying to sabotage and suppress voter registration. And it’s why it’s critical that Biden steps down, he simply cannot drive the needed turn out now and is unwilling to form a coalition with non-conservative democrats/independents.
It actually did. It wasn’t just lies, but he is also losing plot about what he is talking about.
But yeah, I guess that’s not much difference in the greater scheme of things.
And “tongue tied” Is a straight up, fucking lie. It was surprising just how bad Biden was in that debate. You are right that trump seems to be consistently shity and incomprehensible.
[Donald Trump] May Not Be Good for America, but [He’s] Damn Good for CBS”
-CBS CEO Les Moonves, 2/29/16
And nothing has changed since.
Because literally nobody is suprised by trump as this point. We all know what he is at this point. Biden popped the fascade that has been carefully crafted to keep us all thinking he was doing alright despite being old as fuck.
100%. People want to act like it was a “bad debate performance” but it was absolutely eye opening to the american people. Its not about who won or lost a debate.
And it’s not like it’s the first of those incidents. He fell off his bike, tripped getting on air force one, had a bunch of press conferences where he did the trailing off in the middle of his answer thing, etc.
And this isn’t the only person democrats did this with either. They enabled Dianne Feinstein to run for reelection despite her being at deaths door, there’s the RBG debacle, etc.
Democrats need to get better at refreshing the old guard. The only one that did it kind of right is Nancy Pelosi: groom a successor and step aside when the time is right.
I love the argument about the bike, have you seen trump on a bike? There’s a 99% chance that you don’t ride a bike yourself.
BTW: he tripped, because he had to stop to talk with reporters and the predators had straps. It even happened to me and I’m much much younger than him.
Maybe there’s millions of qualified people other than Trump and Biden in the US? Why do Americans have to settle for just these 2? Why does Biden get to say he’s the only one that could beat Trump, if that’s objectively not true?
I can’t think of anyone else who could beat him. I really believed that Clinton could do it, and technically she did, but she didn’t beat him bad enough. A lot of people thought he was just playing himself up to win and wouldn’t be so bad once he got in (myself included). He showed them he wasn’t playing anything up and a vote against him got the largest turnout in history.
I really thought (and prayed, and begged the universe) that Sanders would get a shot.
Damn, what a mess. What a stressful, stressful, mess.
With a gay kid and a trans kid, I really do worry about their future. All we can do is ride the rock and hope for the best though. Well, that and vote against the dude who openly despises certain groups.
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Why didn’t you 9 name a candidate and why you think they’d win. Come on now, it’s a social forum. Get social.
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Chomp chomp. That’s me eating my words and praying I’m wrong on 7/21
The salient point- Biden does things better DAILY than Trump did in 4 years and we’re still somehow focusing on stupid shit.
Democrats are so ego driven that they think death itself cannot claim them at a moment’s notice. I think this is part of the facade of the Democrats people are, unfortunately, going to respond to this election: Democrats, as a party, like to present themselves as being all about compromise and caring. Getting things done for the #AmericanPeople. But when it’s time to step down and let others shine in the limelight because you’ve had your time and the physical realities of age are something you have to acknowledge, or when there might be a better candidate for an election and you have to make the difficult choice of not getting what you want for the good of the country, that fucking sentiment disappears like a fart in the wind.
How many people who previously hadn’t been paying attention to the race tuned in and saw the same deterioration they’ve watched in their own parents and grandparents?
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He could have been better. But there are more debates. He can come out stronger next time.
That’s not how old age works. Biden is not getting better, that’s the whole point. This wasn’t a political gaffe, it was a consequence of the inevitable collapse of age. Biden needs to step down, literally the only way Dems have a chance to win at this point.
Disagree. He’s been a good president and far better than his opponent. His ACTIONS are a million times better than Trump.
I agree, but as Carter showed, being a good president isn’t enough to get reelected.
I would trade Biden in for someone ten years older if it meant we’d get a strict and intelligent moderator
He could have been better
Lmao no shit, would’ve been hard to have been worse
You’re right. He could have been Trump.
Didn’t Trump gain support from the debate while Biden lost it to the degree that people from his own party are openly calling for him to drop out?
He’s still a rapist. So there’s that.
I don’t think that came up or showed in the debate so probably didn’t affect it. This is about the debate performance and its effect after all. If people didn’t care about that before the debate, they’re not going to suddenly care after it.
You mean I take more information than just a debate to make a decision?
Because Trump performed exactly how he has in every previous debate, I’m not saying it was good but it was the same shit level of performance that I expected.
Biden performed horrendously compared to expectations, that’s why he gets the focus. Trump lying his ass off just isn’t news anymore, I’m not justifying it but it would have been stranger if he hadn’t.
I know Trump shouldn’t get a pass but the reason Biden is getting so much focus and Trump isn’t is pretty obvious. Trump did as Trump does and Biden had a horrible performance.
Biden performed horrendously compared to expectations, that’s why he gets the focus.
Infuriating because people writing these headlines already know this. The entire purpose of these headlines is to deflect the real problem of Biden’s inability to fulfill his role as Chief Executive onto “Ah but have you considered Trump is worse?!”
I know Trump shouldn’t get a pass
I don’t think he really benefited from the debate either. Its not like anything he said resonated with the audience. It was the standard litany of grumpy old fascist bullshit. His approval rating didn’t go up. Nothing he said has endured as a talking point or meme. He didn’t even score a good laugh line.
This was a spectacle precisely because Biden was supposed to come out as a powerful voice to rally the mushy indie voters and… he didn’t. We have this enormous pool of people who are disgusted with both candidates. Biden didn’t put anything on the table to win them over. Trump didn’t either. So now we go into the convensions with two of the must unlikable candidates in living memory.
This was a spectacle precisely because Biden was supposed to come out as a powerful voice
Yeah I believe one of the people on the post debate panel said that the Biden team were the ones who pushed for this debate precisely to show that Biden was up to the task of being president again, which he failed at. Fair warning I could be dead wrong on that though.
Trump lying his ass off just isn’t news anymore
Therein lies the problem. It should be the ENTIRE news. This is what we get when we let huge companies dictate the “news” and push all this crap about Biden yet basically nothing about Trump.
It’s not journalism- it’s money.
It should be the ENTIRE news.
You don’t think another candidate being like a lost and confused grandpa with Alzheimer deserves at least some part of the news?
Yeah I’m sure articles on Trump lying aren’t generating clicks like they used to, gotta get good clickbate somehow.
The people voting Trump like that about him. Stop pretending like they’re after the same voters, they’re not.
This article is about media reaction, not social media users.
Shockingly, you’ll find the medias audience is made up of those same people that those two candidates are campaigning to. I also don’t know where you see me talking about social media?
Democrats tell us democracy is on the line and many people including myself believe it, but then they push a weak candidate likely to lose merely because his team has lined their pockets with corporate donations and pledged allegiance to Israel. Democrats need to decide if democracy is on the line, or if they lie to their voters and don’t care if Trump wins.
Or, billionaires own media and using them to shape public opinion so they can get more corporate friendly candidate.
Biden was perceived as corporate friendly in 2020, but he delivered more worker friendly policies and also is promising to increase taxes on rich
This isn’t about getting a more corporate-friendly candidate. It is about beating Trump, plain & simple. Biden’s abysmal debate performance wasn’t CNN drugging him to instill a new corporate shill for the Democrat-party. The Democrat party is capable of pushing corporate shills themselves already, as they did in 2016.
Maybe not, but capitalism and fascism want the same things. They don’t care about Biden’s age, just their wealth and not supporting anyone who threatens that. That’s why all the narrative around Biden’s age is all we get out of that debate. The wealthy own all means of communication.
There’s a reason the saying, “the revolution will not be televised,” is relevant. I think you may be missing the plot a little as no one thinks CNN drugged or did anything else to Biden. But the media can make it so the national attention is on Biden. They want him replaced or they want tRump to win.
They’re playing chess while a majority of Americans are fighting about who gets the white pieces and who gets the red ones [cause they’re playing checkers]!
Biden deserves this loss, he literally said only God would take him out this race, but you know democracy is threatened! So lets run the shittiest candidate possible, and its extra infuriating because Biden/Harris is literally the most unlikeable ticket possible. Harris is even more unlikeable, Ive had numerous people ask me why an Indian girl raised in India and Canda whose crown achievement is locking up marijuana users is doing a BET advert talking about shes out in these streets. It feels like beyond pandering.
Speaking of CNN, many people are not aware that CNN changed owner in 2022 to MAGA friendly one. So I would now treat it more like Fox News lite.
Biden supporters in 2024 are sounding a lot like Trump supporters in 2016 by calling all the media outlets fake news now.
Nobody expected anything else of Trump. Him lying is no longer news. It’s just how it is.
At this point, it’s clear his base does not read the news outside of their own bubbles, so why do people care that at least in our own bubble we remain critical. Otherwise, it’s a continued shift from a vote between full on fascism or a one party state.
*edit because we’re incredibly tense, not loose
Because Biden was the ‘electability’ candidate, and he’s looking pretty fucking un-electable.
The argument against swapping out candidates with 4 months to go is ostensibly because it’s not enough time to campaign, but that’s the reason Biden needs to be tapped out. Whoever is running needs to be able to clearly prosecute the case against Trump, but Biden can’t even deliver a coherent sentence. Even when he’s reading off prompter he’s flubbing words, missing cues, and can barely remember who’s still alive and who’s already dead. We can’t just hope people will read between the broken sentences; Biden needs to be able to campaign for himself. Turnout will be so fucking low if he doesn’t do his fucking job, and that will be nobody’s fault but his and the DNC’s if they don’t fucking do something now.
Quit complaining about how the press is reporting on his flubs; they’re not inventing that problem whole-cloth, Biden is clearly not doing well. People should be irate that the white house and the DNC have been ignoring this issue that’s been growing steadily for the last 3 and a half years.
We *lose if we do nothing about this. Fullstop.
DNC doesn’t care and pretending they do is pointless.
Harris needs to get out there and campaign hard.
Because in a televised debate, people only see performance. It’s not like anyone fact-checked Trump, either. Biden tried and failed to meaningfully rebut him, and the moderators didn’t even try.
There were moderators? The only people i noticed were 2 seriously overdressed stage hands that handled muting microphones. Other than that it was just Biden and Trump being total embarrassments.
That’s what moderators are supposed to do. They aren’t judges, or fact checkers. They are supposed to present the questions to the speakers, and manage time, and maybe on occasion ask a followup question. It’s the speakers job to respond to questions and their counterpart(s) on stage.
Because we all knew trump would lie. That’s not news. What we didn’t know, is how far Biden has slipped since 2020.
You know, and I know, but for the low-information voter, you’d be surprised. To many low-information voters, they think Trump occasionally exaggerates because he’s braggadocious, and they think Biden is a serial liar because he’s an establishment politician.
It’s a false equivalence, but his lies need to be pointed out and shown to be false. It’s hard, because he Gish Gallops all over the stage, but it needs to be done. Trump needs to be shown as a blatant and malicious liar to the average person. It needs to be made clear that he thinks very little of his base’s intelligence, and that he’s taking them for a ride.
Low-info voters won’t read the news and shun any media that doesn’t come straight out of trump puckered anus lips. Why would the news target that demographic? Or a better way to put it: News that targeted that demographic with that messaging were unable to compete with other news organizations.
“The World”?
I think you mean the press, and that press focus is the problem.
Because everyone knows that Trump is garbage and republicans are complicit. We’re hoping Democrats will challenge Biden
Billionaires own all the news outlets
Yeah, this does feel a bit astroturfed, I think they don’t like his promises of increasing taxes on rich and strengthening protections for workers.
And exposure from the Epstein Files being unsealed.
Don’t forget thats how we got Joe in the first place, lost all the first dem primaries in 2020, while the media kept saying don’t count him out because reasons, while literally hiding wins by Bernie and other dems. I wonder where all these people come from that think a confirmed liar Source and has been in politics so long he supported and advocated for segregation Source that raised $127 million just last month Source is somehow being targeted by corporate interests and needs to be protected?
Because the people surrounding Biden are good at their jobs. Each has a weakness: Trump is a liar and Biden is old and forgetful. Trump’s people made no effort to hide Trump’s weakness, but Biden’s people did a good job of hiding it up to the debate. That people are surprised is a good sign that Biden surrounded himself with competent people - but also this is what debates are suppose to do, reveal the true candidates to the nation.
Biden didn’t get tongue tied. He couldn’t form complete sentences and kept losing his train of thought. Look at his videos from 2019. He was talking just fine, but still was a gaff machine.
And Biden didn’t even have the awareness to push back on the lies! He fucking argued with him over fucking Golf!
