Fox News won’t bother mentioning this to their viewers.

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    It is our fault that we aren’t organized enough. Empowering other progressives enough. If your happy with Biden you’ve given up.

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      Chips act, green energy, union empowerment, student debt, marijuana reform, etc etc etc. Anyone that says Biden isn’t doing anything is wilfully ignorant.

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          You’re doing exactly what the parent comments described. All you’re doing is crying when the ball is rolled as much as it can be while you’re (likely) kneecapping him because he doesn’t have a majority in the house.

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            This is why Trump’s “dictator on day one” comment isn’t taken with the seriousness it needs to be.

            People already think presidents are dictators.

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              Couldn’t agree more. There’s a huge misunderstanding that the President is the most important facet of government, but the Executive has remarkably little ability to influence the law aside from directing the various agencies on how they should operate and utilizing the power of veto to check the legislative.

              Trump won’t be a dictator on day one because that’s not how the office of President works. He will be, though, if Project 2025 is allowed to be implemented and they get rid of all the barriers to him having unilateral unchecked authority. This is also predicated on the possibility that he will not be held accountable by the courts and the Supreme Court rules that he can commit crimes and label them as “official acts”.

              The big misunderstanding is that people think Trump alone can fulfill all of his campaign promises and Biden simply won’t, when the reality is that Biden can’t do it alone and neither can Trump (yet).

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          Is actively being thwarted by Republicans at every turn.

          Plus, things take time to happen, even under ideal circumstances.

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            That’s fine. Go back to my OP, not organized enough, not supporting progressives enough. We don’t need a majority we need a super majority. You know, an impossible task.

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        Marijuana is still illegal federally. Schedule 3 is not legalization.

        Forgiving student debt is not reform. A kid going to college today will still need to take on a ridiculous debt load and play the job/forgiveness lottery.

        Biden very publicly told Unions where to stick it.

        The green event stuff he funded is great but it’s not novel and he used it as a cover to protect the Big 3 Auto manufacturers from foreign EVs.

        The CHIPs act is actually okay. 1 out of 5 things but being performative is good though right? That’s the standard?

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            More like he put the chock block in place to stop the roll and let the rich continue to fuck us before stepping side for the next Republican. I’m convinced he’s actively trying to lose this election between TikTok, EV restrictions, Gaza, and gaslighting people on the economy.

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              He’s not doing it himself, he sold his soul to private interests.

              Just like every candidate come campaign time. We need a concerted effort to change the way we vote. Fptp has to go.

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              If you ask me again in a courteous way, I will explain it to you. I’m not going to hold my breath.

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              A sarcastic straw-man to avoid actually looking at Biden’s record. He believes it doesn’t matter as long as we can avoid electing Trump. Which would be okay if there was ever an alternative. But like any organization that’s effectively the only option, enshittification is happening with the Democrats.

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          You’re crying that it’s not legal yet. Let’s forget that he asked dea to look at rescheduling it and that he forgave federal possession convictions.

          You’re crying he only did what he could and forgave debt and hasn’t gotten around to a Herculean overhaul of the entire post secondary system.

          You didn’t see the follow-up with unions. I’d give the Beau of the fifth column video but they’re impossible to find.

          You’re crying not novel enough, WTF. And you’re forgetting the green energy generation in the IRA.

          You’re crying chips being only decent?

          That was the easy stuff off the top of my head, and it’s just crying that nothing is ever good enough. Crying that it’s not fast enough. Nevermind that you’re (likely) kneecapping him with no majority in the house.

          You’re exactly the character described in the top comments.

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            The federal possession forgiveness was a red herring. It only applies to people in federal prison who aren’t also in for “violent” offenses, which all the aggravated and intent charges count as.

            So it ended up applying to like five dudes.

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              That’s not what a red herring is.

              And yes federal because that’s what he has jurisdiction over. And yes violent offences are a big and completely different step up. It was intended to be possession and that what it was, not other things. You’re doing a weird deflection on what was a good call. And plenty of advisors probably pointed out that many times some decently bad incidents get argued down to possession for plea deal.

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                Almost no one is in federal prison for “just” possession. Almost no one serves time in federal prison for possession when their case is plead down. Part of an attractive plea deal is avoiding federal prison. Lots of weird shit counts as violent crime even though we wouldn’t think it was. Felony murder is a thing.

                A red herring, especially in a narrative, is some piece of information meant to be misleading.

                Biden pardoning of people with possession charges amounted to very few actual pardons, didn’t account for the Byzantine legal system and didn’t have any effect for precursor crimes. The intent was to get some publicity and seem like he’s doing something while actually not doing anything. Purposely misleading information. A red herring.

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                  Yeah it’s not many people because most convictions are from the states, which he does not have jurisdiction over. Ok? Got it? The president can not do anything about state convictions or sentences. So he did what he could with federal charges, because federal charges is what he has jurisdiction over.

                  Part of an attractive deal is pleading down more serious stuff down to simple possession.

                  Red herring:

                  Something that draws attention away from the matter being discussed or dealt with.

                  It’s not a red herring. What you are trying to do is closer (still not quite) to a red herring because you are trying to draw attention away from what he could do and trying to minimize it with the repeated “not many”. The number doesn’t matter, he did what he had jurisdiction over, You are the one much closer to a red herring. Ciao.

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                    Oh the pwesident doesn’t have any juwustiction owver the states… nothing he could do!

                    If I was a politician with more than 50 years under my belt running on tough on crime platforms and spearheading racist laws that ramp up the convictions of millions of black Americans for minor drug offenses with the knock on effect of providing police the chance to go hunting for more evidence, detain and steal the property of those people, would you call it a red herring when I grant clemency to the absolute barest minimum possible?

                    I obviously would, because I did, but language is mutable and it’s possible that there’s a better phrase when you’re responsible for the current juiced up run wild carceral slavery system holding millions and decide that a handful of people actually shouldn’t be in there but only the ones that you can very quietly grant clemency to without causing a stir and only the ones serving time on the most narrow range of charges which just happens to be nearly tangential to each other!

                    If you want to keep arguing about language, the word tangent should be your next target, I just described what most people would visualize as two shapes as being tangent to each other but only unbounded shapes like planes or lines can be tangential! Quick, start looking up definitions!

                    Biden created the laws and supported the growth of a system that put these people in prison for his entire career. He now occupies the highest seat of power in the nation and releases a tiny fraction of the people he’s responsible for the imprisonment of. If you won’t accept that it’s a red herring then I’m forced to call it bullshit.

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            That was the DEA looking at it. It went from schedule 1 to schedule 3. Which is a year in prison and a fine for possession.

            I’m not against him doing harm reduction, but call it what it is. Don’t forgive debt and sell it as a reform. Winning the presidential lottery is not a reform.

            The follow up? Where railroad workers are still under manned and required to work sick? Oh I’m sorry we got some real reforms for the IT guys in railroading. But the guys on the tracks, who were getting abused before are still getting abused in the exact same ways.

            Green energy generation is solved. It’s already cheaper to build, maintain, and use than fossil fuels. Many states already routinely hit 100% renewable energy on their grid. So much so that the business crowd is trying to get home solar financial benefits reduced because the market is saturated.

            This isn’t “nothing is good enough” it’s stop doing merely performative shit and blowing smoke up my ass. I gave him credit for CHIPs, but the IRA was just a corporate grift wrapped in green paper.

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              Yes, that was the DEA being told by Biden to look at it. And you’re forgetting that he forgave federal possessions.

              You’re back to crying about “only” forgiving some debt. And you’re back to crying about not doing a Herculean task of completely overhauling post secondary in 2 years. Who’s selling it as reform? Nobody. You’re making shit up just to cry about now.

              The rail union got to negotiate. Whatever they got, they negotiate for themselves. You’re crying again that Biden didn’t do _______. It’s not even his place to negotiate or dictate what happens, but you’re crying about it.

              Green energy generation still needed (needs?) a boot in the ass, which is exactly what IRA did. But you can’t cry about this one, so no credit to Biden! Oh wait there’s the crying about IRA. Seriously?

              All you’re doing is crying about things not happening at warp speed. And then ignoring the things that do happen. You are exactly what the top comment are about.

              What this comes down to: If you don’t vote, then you can’t complain or cry. Do you vote? Good. But I’ll say that your crying is largely inaccurate. Do you not vote? Then it’s bizarre and pathetic that you are crying while you are the one that is actively kneecapping progress.

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                Again. Hoping the president pardons you is not fucking reform.

                And yeah we’ve known student debt was a problem for a decade. He knows he has four years in a term. Nobody wanting to reform things starts on January 20th. They start making plans years in advance or subscribe to think tank plans. Saying he’s only had his entire term is a bullshit excuse. That’s when shit gets done. He hasn’t got the job done. And that wouldn’t even be a big problem if he weren’t trying to tell people he did get the job done.

                The rail union didn’t get to negotiate.b that was the entire reason they were going on strike. Biden forced them to take the company’s offer. That’s what breaking the strike does. At this point you’re straight up lying.

                Oh so corporate grift wrapped in a green paper sounds like it’s not a complaint to you? He set EVs back 10 years.

                I’m not complaining that things aren’t happening day enough. I’m complaining that you’re lying about what he’s done. I’m complaining that he lies about his accomplishments and then wonders why people don’t just fawn over him.

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                  And you’re still crying that it’s not fast enough. Someone said it has to be reclassified first before either decriminalization or legalization (no idea if accurate). But you just want to cry that the boulder isn’t being pushed up the hill fast enough. And crying over what he could and did do. Not to mention that he can’t do it - Congress passes legislation, not the President. He did what he could which is tell DEA to look at it.

                  Still crying over not doing Herculean overhaul in TWO years. Because you need Congress. Congress is the one that could do massive reform, not the president. You don’t even know how your own government works and yet you want to cry. This is some serious “I’m 14 and don’t know how things work, but I’m going to cry about Biden bad” from you. That’s twice that you don’t even know how your government works.

                  Dude you can negotiate without a strike. This is more “14 and don’t know how things work”. Here I looked it up for you https://youtu.be/EM6jMtG_MB8 Also pay attention to how a rail strike would have ground the US economy to a halt. But don’t get the wrong idea, it was about Biden’s success pushing on the negotiations. You should watch him regularly. I’m very certain there’s another one with even more rail union wins but he often has shitty titles so I can’t find it. Don’t forget to cry though.

                  And more crying about green power generation. You want to set up a domestic industry, green power is not one and done. You can do way more when your country’s money feeds back into itself. For both generation and EVs. This is more 14 and have no idea how industry or long term industry works. But you just want to cry about not fast enough.

                  You dropped the chips stuff too.

                  I thought this before, but your reply here showed it full tilt. You have some serious “I’m 14 and don’t know how anything works” vibes. You are the epitome of what was said at the start:

                  Good news! Apparently a lot of excitingly new young progressives are mad we haven’t rolled it back up high enough and are refusing to help!

                  Wait. Okay, not good news. Sorry.

                  And

                  Because they’re not rolling it up fast enough! Can’t you see? They just have to roll it faster and preferably all the way and then I’ll get excited and help. Yup. Until then I’ll be adding ankle weights to you too. And don’t forget it’s all your fault too.

                  I notice you didn’t respond about voting either.

                  No matter what I say you’ll cry about something when you don’t even know how things work, so Ciao.

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                    Right. We’re done here. I’m not the person you think you’re arguing with. It is a very simple idea. Stop lying about progress made. Have fun with your straw man. I think anyone reading this can see the lies about what’s been accomplished.

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      If your happy with Biden you’ve given up.

      Given that either Biden or Trump will be the president after the next election, voting for the obviously less harmful one is still a positive move.

      Not voting only gives the votes of Trump’s insane clown cult more power.

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        This has to be some sort of GOP psy op to make people insane. You can not like a candidate and vote for him. Jesus wtf why do I have to explain this.

        “Well if you don’t like it you don’t have to eat it, but im not making any thing else!”

        “I just think, Susan, the spaghetti could use some meatballs.”

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          The strategy is logical to them; trump’s remaining voters are too dumb or selfish to leave, so trying to peal away biden support is their only plan.

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            One of them was telling me, today, how he is donating money to JFK Jr because he is siphoning away so many votes from Biden. He acted like he was involved in some secret mission and was being so sneaky.

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      This is nonsense. If you believe that you should skip to violent revolution because you are not getting anywhere peacefully.

      I’m (edit:not) saying I think that’s a good idea. But if you are going to refuse to vote for the better guy because he’s not good ENOUGH then you were never going to vote at all, and the rest of us will go back to persuading the last 3 swing voters.

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      Nobody is happy with Biden. Do you want to continue pushing the boulder up the mountain at the pace we don’t like, or let go and see what happens to the town downhill?

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          Domestically, I feel the same. The whole genocide thing is not awesome. Though I understand the politics behind it and the arms race with China.

          Still, we need to get the fuck out of the way and let the UN do its job.

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            It’s not even anything to do with China. Bibi and Biden do not get along, and Bibi is doing everything he can to damage Biden in this issue hoping he gets Trump, so he can show everyone what an actual genocide looks like.

            Biden is in an impossible situation - trying to keep some influence over the horror while also staying at an arms length for all the people who apparently think he is giving orders to the IDF

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          I don’t think it is taking accountability to flip a coin on whether or not an authoritarian demagogue insurrectionist who wanted to nuke random hurricanes and Iran should be in charge of the largest arsenals on the planet. Nor does adding additional corrupt regressives to SCOTUS teach the Dems a lesson, but it does put the very act of voting in jeopardy. It is myopic to throw the vote away.

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            Why do you automatically assume I’m not voting for him? Like seriously wtf?

            I’m saying we need to do better I’m not going to put Trump in office.