Way to stick it to em!

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    Initially I, too, claimed those, but ultimately I never ended up playing them and often I’d just end up buying them from steam instead. It’s funny how I’m willing to pay for something I can have for free, if it’s convenient and easy. So I didn’t claim them for very long, stopped a long time ago, and still just ignore it if a game I thirst for is available for free.

    But that’s also a pretty dark prospect: Because I have my entire extensive library on steam, I’m kind of stuck with them. And while they are not abusing that presently, I’m fairly confident they will someday. And I, along with most everyone playing on pc, will be shit out of luck then.

    It’s hard to diversify at this point, when I’m too far gone, and knowing changing or adding services will increase the complexity of using it all and keeping mental track of all the games and where they are.

    Ugh.

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      If Steam ever fucks over consumers I will pirate 100% of my games from that day on unless an indie company allows me to buy directly from them or through GoG.

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      Because I have my entire extensive library on steam, I’m kind of stuck with them. And while they are not abusing that presently, I’m fairly confident they will someday.

      Yeah. I am confident that long term access to classic games is a torch only sufficiently carried by software pirates.

      Don’t get me wrong, I adore things like the Atari 50th Anniversary collection, and what Evercade is doing with esoteric arcade titles. (And I delight in throwing money at them.)

      But only a small fraction of the greatest games get that kind of loving licensed treatment.

      For the rest of gaming history, software pirates are essential.

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      While I don’t disagree with anything you said, I think this comment descended into nihilism with alarming rapidity and I hope you’re okay.

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        Just enshittification fatigue. Every service being provided is hostile to us, so it makes us uneasy if one isn’t.

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      Interesting thought: “Because I have my entire extensive library on steam, I’m kind of stuck with them. And while they are not abusing that presently, I’m fairly confident they will someday.”

      Steam subscription $9.99 to access your library 😐 - man that feels wrong. But also can probably happen with the TOS noone reads

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        It could happen, but if it does, it’ll be decades down the line. Gaben has surrounded himself with true believers on purpose, in part to prevent that scenario.

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        They certainly cant do that in places with actual consumer regulations, ToS and EULA mean nothing if they go against the law.

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      I too have over 200 games on Epic and have purchased non of them. This is none news. I buy my games on Steam and get my free games on Epic.

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        And the once or twice a year Epic offers a free game I actually want to play, I enjoy it just as much as if I’d bought it elsewhere.

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      In the past couple years, I’ve gone from buying exclusively from steam to prioritizing buying/rebuying single player games from GOG.

      Multiplayer games are still mostly through steam for convenience - same with VR games/games with VR mods.

      I just wish GOG Galaxy was better. Development seems kinda stagnant.

      I constantly have issues with the plugins to access other storefront libraries among other things.

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      i went a couple years, pretty steady. now it’s whenever i remember–and it’s not been that often. only one during the winter deals.

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        I like Heroic but it doesn’t always help. I spent hours yesterday trying to get the Hot Wheels game working and never did get it working in game mode, only desktop.

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      Guess their free giveaways kinda work as a promotion then.

      I’m cheap, once I get the game free somewhere I take it off my Steam wishlist.

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    And thats exactly why Epic is untrustworthy. Its like a shady guy on the corner saying “Hey i will give you 500 bucks if you just do this easy little thing for me. Will be done right away no worries”.

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        With GOG you can download all game files to your local storage and play them even if GOG goes to shit. Thats the difference. But yes Steam is the same as Epic in that regard.

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          You commented on a post about a dude who never bought from Epic but still has 200 games there, that Epic is shady for doing this.

          I said by that logic, GOG is shady as well, because they also give away tons of games.

          Just saying that labeling them as untrustworthy, just because they give away games, doesn’t make sense. Steam was never mentioned, or the business practices of different storefronts.

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            Epic doesnt give games away. They give temporary licenses to games away which they can always take from you. Epic uses this to get people onto and dependent on their platform so they can then extract money from them. GOG has no way to extract money from people like that and has no leverage against their customers.

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              What are you even talking about? Why is Epic “extracting money” but GOG is not? Do you mean if you lose your games on Epic you will buy them again on Epic? Nobody does that, and it doesn’t happen in the first place.

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      Epic needs to pump their MAU stats to look like a legitimate platform. They know what’s going on and are happy to pay.

      What I don’t know is what they actually pay the publishers.

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          Heroic is Epic, GOG, and Amazon Prime.

          Maybe don’t give Bezos more money, but if you have Prime alreafy anyways, then you get 4-5 games for every one that Epic gives away. Some are on their Prime service, but most of their codes are redeemed through GOG or Epic.

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      Install, launch from the shortcut on the left side of the main screen. How much easier do you want them to make it?

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      Not to mention “stick it to 'em” when he’s doing exactly what Epic hoped for — engaging with their platform. It doesn’t even matter if you’re using Hero Launcher or not even playing it, it’s a +1 in their system and that’s what they care about.

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    My friend too have over 100 games. He never even play them but thankfully to him I don’t have to make Epic Account.

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    I bought Alan Wake 2, and glad I did. Accidentally decided to buy Red Dead redemption 2 on there because of a discount code making it much cheaper than steam a couple of years ago.

    Huge mistake. I added it as a non-steam game so now to launch Red Dead redemption 2. I need to launch steam which then launches epic which then launches Rockstar Games launcher which then launches the game.

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      You can skip one step and have just have many steps as if you had bought it on Steam, just launch it from the Epic launcher directly, ta-fucking-da

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    I too have basically all of them. A few have caught my interest on PC. More than a few were a big pain to get working on Steam Deck even with Heroic Launcher.

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    Never understood this shit, create a account and download a launcher to get a free thing that you don’t own in a shitty platform, that’s piracy with extra steps.

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      Eh paid exclusives are (one of) the reasons I’ll never get a game from them. Fuck lil Tim

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        You realize paid exclusives gives a guaranteed income to devs so they don’t have to rely on the Steam gamble?

        Would you work for your employer if you had no guarantee you would get paid and you had to wait years for your potential first paycheque?

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          Not only that. Epic takes a smaller cut, and when a game goes on sale or is free that comes from Epic’s cut, the Devs get full pay.

          Something that the bootlickers always seem to forget.

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          Paid exclusives ruin PC gaming, only devs who don’t believe in their game sing an exclusive contract. They’ll learn the hard way for sure :)

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            Bullshit. The only way it ruins PC gaming is by forcing you to use a launcher that isn’t Steam, you will never complain about all the games that only release on Steam.

            18k games released on Steam this year, how many did you hear about and how many were actually successful?

            There’s tons of good games that just won’t sell enough for the devs to recoup their cost just because no streamer decided to play them. Go read on indie devs communities what the experience is like when releasing a game you put your heart and soul into only to get no coverage and no sales.

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              The only way it ruins PC gaming is by forcing you to use a launcher

              You said it yourself, it ruins PC by forcing they crappy launcher

              Games on epic are either released there and forgotten by many or given away for free one day

              Tell me what Epic does better than anything else, I’m waiting.

              • 88/12 is not a valid point because 88 of 1000 is way less that 70 of 1000000
              • Free games are not valid since I can get them for free anyway without needing a launcher 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️
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                BuT tHeIr CrApPy LaUnChEr!

                Try to come up with something a bit more original. You don’t give a crap about exclusives as long as they’re on the platform you like, it’s pure hypocrisy.

                Piracy vs gifts aren’t the same thing.

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                  • 3 Years for shopping cart
                  • Can’t add a simple “move games to disk”
                  • If the launcher somehow forgets what games you have installed you have to redownload the whole game again, no simple “scan to find installed games” (No, tricks to do it don’t count)
                  • They got caught sniffing your steam friend list
                  • Scummy “Reviews” system where you have to choose between refunding the game or hoping to have a chance to review the game
                  • “Review” system so barebone you can’t even write your own reviews but pick from predetermined ones
                  • “Customer support” so dogshit they can’t even help you if someone hacks in your account (Steam does it pretty well)

                  The list goes on… There you go your “try to come up with something more original”

                  You’ll defend every shit out of this because you like to suck lil’ Tim removed :)

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            I’m talking about smaller studios but even for big studios, guaranteed income instead of gambling can be more interesting for certain projects.

            The logic is still the same.

            It’s like selling your product at Costco instead of Walmart. Costco will rent you the space to sell it for a certain amount of time and you are gambling on the fact that you’ll make more revenue than the rental cost you, Walmart buys your product and sells it for more. Hell, Walmart even pays for exclusive products as well so the example truly fits. It doesn’t prevent companies from selling other products at Costco, but it gives them a guaranteed income from one source.

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                The analogy I used makes more sense with indie games because I’m talking about having a job (small scale), but the same logic applies to companies.

                A company like Lockheed Martin will do R&D to come up with new engines and hope to recoup their cost by selling the technology later on, they’ll also sign governmental contracts with guaranteed payments as the project moves forward. You need a mix of both.

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                  If a company makes bad games, they should go out of business and their developers should work for better companies.

                  Remedy doesn’t need to worry about that, because they make good games.

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      Valve bootlickers

      It ain’t like that, kiddo. I support other stores like GoG, too. I just refuse to ever use EGS unless they completely change.