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Summary
A growing number of Americans are seeking shelter in budget motels due to rising rents and home prices, with families experiencing cramped, unstable living conditions.
In New York’s Hudson Valley, over 550 families with children lived in motels in 2023, a 21% increase from 2018.
High costs, safety concerns, and limited housing options make escaping this cycle difficult.
Advocacy groups warn motels are an unsustainable solution as housing costs outpace wages, while waitlists for subsidized housing and vouchers remain long.
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And Why aren’t people having children again? 🤔 Please remind me.
It’s because women have rights and somehow the transgenders are to blame.
Something something family values
It’s puzzling how a temporary accomodation can be cheaper than a regular rent
As someone who recently lived in one for about 8 months, I can tell you that it’s not. But, they don’t require first + last month deposits, no credit checks, no utility accounts, are generally closer to public transport, etc.
Yeah like so many things its expensive to be poor.
The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.
Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.
But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
GNU Terry Pratchett, from “Men at Arms”
Let’s look at the new average cost of a car. Roughly 50k. The average loan amount for new cars is right over 40k. (Meaning they are paying 20% upfront by either trade-ins or down payments. The average car loan interest and length are 6.84% at around 67 months.
So that would mean the average person pays $8,235 more than a rich person.
So it really makes out to be that there is a 120% charge on the 40k they borrowed.
Note: car insurance costs are based off the area you reside in, and your credit score. So you will pay more to have it as well.
Poor people pay more on everything. And when you compare how much money someone makes it isn’t direct like many people view it.
Someone who makes 40k vs 50k isn’t a “well they don’t make that much more”If the cost of living in the area is 35 a year. One has $13.69 /day spending money. The other has $41.07 /day spending money. $178/day if you made 100k in that area.
So someone making 40k if they spent money on nothing else, could buy that car outright in 10 years… 100k doing the same could buy it in October, of that same year (271ish days)
Drastically different living/saving possibilities between them.
Thank you. Does your job involve explaining things this clearly? Are you a teacher?
Im actually usually quite terrible with sentence structure and such, but I spent most of my career in IT so far. Which anyone in IT can tell you that the difference of good documentation and bad documentation on support for products, is often the difference between keeping those products or employees around. Nothing is worse than “Brian set this up 7 years ago and hadn’t worked here in 5”… And no documentation exists. Fixing a home computer, no issue. Managing 60,000… Everything has what seems to be way to many procedures.
These are pretty crappy hotels most of the time. They’re has-been places that cater to the living-in-a-hotel poverty set. Rates are pretty low, and they’re generally not places you’d want to stay when vacationing or visiting an area.
The solution is to jack up prices of these motels to keep the market “efficient”.
It was odd when I figured out one of my coworkers lived in the long term stay place behind the office for like 2 years. This was about a decade ago but I think he said it was like ~500 a month. He was making ~70K and absolutely could afford an apartment but that was somehow cheaper. He said it had trade offs…everything he owned fit in a suitcase and backpack.
Couple years ago was traveling through Kansas and saw a family of 3 moving into a hotel. Honestly broke my heart seeing it.
You’ll own nothing and be happy…
Well I suppose the second part isn’t entirely true
It’s happy compared to the alternatives you’re given.
My mom and stepdad lived in a motel for 5 years. Saved up and then bought a house. I did the motel thing before myself. Sure beats sleeping on the streets.
Making excuses for the shortcomings of society enable society to continue to have shortcomings.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Cake does sound good
Spare us that conspiracy nonsense. This is simply capitalism allowed to run unchecked.
Edit for the downvoters: https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-the-world-economic-forum-does-not-have-a-stated-goal-to-have-people-idUSKBN2AP2SP/
Yes, capitalism running unchecked will lead to the people not owning anything.
Social housing would fix this. End of story.
It won’t because it won’t be implemented.
There’s thousands of would-be fixes that can’t happen because humans are just such gigantic pieces of shit.
You have missed the point entirely with this silly anti-conspiracy nonsense.
I stayed in one years ago after moving to a new city and it surprised me to see a school bus stop and pick up kids living there.
I grew up in the rural midwest in the 90s and every year our school bus would pick several kids up from the local motel. Except they were always different kids, because they were Mexican families who were working temporary jobs, I assume related to potato farming or sugarbeets but I never really knew. Anyway it was often 2-3 kids coming out of each room so families of 4-5 to a single motel room. And then they’d get on a school bus and spend all day getting bullied by racist redneck white kids.
I live in this area. We’ve always had an income/poverty problem. There has been an “extended stay” hotel problem for a long time. Ulster is a pretty poor county. The problem in the area is there’s very little industry that pays well. There was a big State Hospital that closed down several years back that lost jobs and pushed people with mental health issues into an already poor town’s strained social services network and guaranteeing a never ending struggle to lift the town out of poverty. IBM has a campus, but it’s steadily retracted over the last several decades. Iron Mountain is another tech business that has decent pay. There are several all inclusive resorts that cater to the wealthy ($400/night, nothing locals could afford to visit) that still pay standard service wages. The whole area survived on tourist money as the wealthy metro-area people had their second homes up in the Hudson Valley, would drive there on weekends or picturesque fall days for apple-picking, and then leave.
Then covid hit, they fled the boroughs, and bought all the available housing sending prices through the roof. Mediocre early 1900’s homes that what could be had for $200k now started at $350k and end up over $400k in same day bidding wars.
The Hudson Valley has been poor for decades. Known as a “rough area” in some cases, still is in towns like Newburgh despite the price hike in housing.
Everyone’s getting priced out, and there’s no commensurate increase in good-paying jobs to help the regular people. It also means any commute to the city takes 15-20% longer because RTO turned WFH people into commuters.
It’s shitty because there’s no benefit for locals.
Don’t forget the $8k annual tax bill that goes along with that already unaffordable house. I grew up near the area and love to visit but it’s a hard place to get by for what it is, if that makes sense
You’re not wrong. Like I said, very little good industry to make up for the CoL. I really despise how they do prop/school taxes every year. If you live south of 84 the taxes get outrageous quickly, it’s essentially a second mortgage. They’re cheaper further north…sorta, but again the big problem is that there’s no industry to tax, so the people pay it all. Closer to the metro they charge for the infrastructure and wages. No escape. I grew up in an area where taxes were cheaper and went into a slush fund and then paid out across the state, so a shared burden. Not like NY where they slap you with two big bills 2x/yr if you don’t have a mortgage. Should be monthly with autopay. F those big bills. I don’t care how long you live there, they’re still a shocker.
Mediocre early [1900s] homes that […] could be had for $200k now started at $350k and end up over $400k in same day bidding wars.
We were considering bidding on a 1908-build bungalow up the road here. Basement in need of re-arrangement, original electrical, pipes, ducting. So about 20% for retro on top of
C$1.51m
Our one bedroom condo has jumped from 350k to 650k assessed in under a decade. It is fucking insane.
And then there’s the mortgage on a 1.51mil house And the tax Not just the initial “buy house + reno so it’s an investment” wealth/security. Sure maybe you could save up the hundreds of thousands for a down payment
It’s just insane and as far as I see the only laws that give real relief or protection are for existing homeowners so good luck n00bs
Damn.
Late stage capitalism, get ready for lightning round… with oligarchs!
Squid Game for the rich.
I know of at least 1 person in this situation, but that’s because he accidentally sold his house because he didn’t want his neighbors to give him weird looks while he smoked in front of his house.
The word you are looking for here is impulsively, not accidentally. He purposefully went through the whole process of selling the house and experienced immediate remorse, but there was no accident involved.
Thank you, honourable Lemming for your help. It’s difficult policing all these errors alone
He went beyond the point of no return without understanding or intending to have done so, that’s an accident.
Accidentally?
“Aw man, it happened again. I accidentally sold my house.”
Like that time Elon accidentally bought Twitter.
Yep, even asked his agent if he could undo it after having signed all the papers.
How in the actual fuck does one “accidentally” go through the entire process of selling their house!?
Like, how stoned was he!?
Was he offered magic beans for it or something?
Obviously slipped and grabbed a pen while falling and landed on the sale agreement and his hand swerved into his signature position multiple times as the pages shuffled after which they slid into his buyers hand who ran away with them immediately. This happens all the time.
He only realized he could no longer back out after he asked to cancel the sale when he realized all the work he’d need to do to move out.
That’s regret, not accident. You keep using that word but I don’t think it means with you think it means
Good job admitting you don’t know the meaning of the word, here I’ll help: Accident “2a: an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance"
Good job using English wrong. Good job doubling down too.
That person has mental issues.
Kingston, New York:
“It’s a chain of events that could have been avoided had there been a place for the family to rent for $1,200 a month”
1 bedroom, 1 bathroom, 875 square feet. $1,200.
https://www.realtor.com/rentals/details/37-Millers-Ln_Kingston_NY_12401_M94353-27149
1 bedroom, 1 bathroom, 720 square feet. $1,207.
https://www.realtor.com/rentals/details/45-N-Chestnut-St_New-Paltz_NY_12561_M95190-54232
Two person max, first and last month’s rent, credit check, black list check, utilities, parking fee, amenities fee, security deposit, pet rent, price raise after 3 months.
Landlords are out of control.
Story is about a mom and daughter with a $1,200 limit, it seems do-able to me based on a 30 second internet search.
Your 30 seconds search turned up 2 results at the limit of what this family could afford, without including the additional costs such as utilities, parking, … + all other stuff that the other person mentioned. Which means that those results are significantly outside their budget.
If their budget is 1200 $/month, then they cannot afford an apartment with that list price. My guess would be that they could afford a list price of 800 to 900 $/month, maybe 1000 $/month if a parking spot was included in the rent. But I don’t live there, so this is just a bad guess.
It’s not the limit of what the family can afford, it’s the limit at which the journalist says their problems are solved.
There are cheaper places, but I picked the two at the limit with the largest square footage.
If they can survive in a hotel room, they can get a studio apartment for $700/$800 and be cheaper than renting a hotel room.
Many apartments won’t lease more than two people to a studio or one bedroom, so that won’t work for a family.
Ah, the Resilient Jenkins approach.
Is that Leroy’s cousin?
That lady wishes she could be known for something like Leroy Jenkins.
Nah, she’s one of those family youtubers with a bunch of children, and they came under fire recently because it was found out that they live in a one bedroom apartment and her and her fiance share the bedroom while her kids slept on mattresses in the kitchen.
Well that was an interesting little rabbit hole. Stop having kids, lady.
