• grue@lemmy.worldOP
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      14 days ago

      My intention is definitely “fuck cars.” The fucked-up thing here is that even ambulance drivers, who should know better more so than almost anybody, are incompetently right-hooking cyclists. Billing him for it is merely the icing on the shit-cake.

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        14 days ago

        A lot of EMTs work 24-hour shifts, and 48-hour shifts are not uncommon. The thought that the ambulance driver on the road next to me might be at hour 46 is… frequently worrying.

        The problem isn’t the EMTs being incompetent, the problem is with the industry standards and the employers.

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          I was forced to work a few 24+ hour shifts in healthcare and working on zero sleep fucked me up. It gave me migraines, vomiting, insomnia, manic depression and I felt like I was going to have a heart attack.

          It is beyond cruel and inhumane that employers can force people to work without sleep. It is so fucked that not allowing someone to sleep is considered a form of torture by the Geneva convention.

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        14 days ago

        So your alternative would be that ambulances should no longer use cars? From my perspective all kind of emergency services such as fire department, law enforcement, ambulances should be the very last cars we get rid of as a society. They have to be fast and they need to transport a lot of stuff and people.

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            13 days ago

            Fun fact, many if not most of those ambulances are made in Canada, and not the USA.

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                13 days ago

                Absolutely true, it was mostly just a response to the “rest of the world” part of the grandparent’s comment.

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            Any vehicle large enough to carry the necessary equipment and people for emergency services is going to be dangerous to pedestrians. Not sure what you’re trying to prove here.

            In These Votes: People who failed elementary physics.

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              13 days ago

              Tell me youve never been in another country without telling me youve never been in another country.

              Ambulances and firetrucks in Europe and Asia are smaller than most american pickup trucks.

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                I agree that the US have way too many way too big trucks but this…

                Ambulances and firetrucks in Europe and Asia are smaller than most american pickup trucks.

                … is just wrong. I live in Germany and even small villages with only volunteer firefighters have full blown trucks way above 10 tons.

                Most fire departments have something like this:

                MAN TGM 18.330 Tank with 4,000 litres of water 18 tons total weight

                More specialized departments close to industrial facilities, airports can be also much bigger. This one is currently the biggest weighting 52 tons.

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                  Here in 'Murrica, they send something like in the second photo when grandma falls in the bathroom.

                  Yes, I’m exaggerating, but not by much. The truck in the first photo is smaller than the trucks my city fire department has. There’s a retirement community not far from where I live, and they send a ladder truck for medical emergencies there several times a week. I’m not really sure what use 4,000 liters of water would be when somebody is having a stroke.

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                    I’m not really sure what use 4,000 liters of water would be when somebody is having a stroke.

                    They send a firetruck if someone is having a stroke? Isn’t there a dedicated ambulance for such cases? A ladder truck might make sense to get patients out of a big building but other than that that? Or do they have just one single vehicle that they use for all purposes?

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                  Most fire departments have something like this:

                  Okay, but look how short that is compared to the American equivalent:

                  More specialized departments close to industrial facilities, airports can be also much bigger. This one is currently the biggest weighting 52 tons.

                  Okay, but look how short that is compared to the American equivalent:

                  The longer the truck is, the larger the turning radius it needs at intersections. The larger the intersections are, the faster regular cars drive through them. The faster the cars drive, the less safe it is for everybody else.

                  Deciding how large a vehicle a street should accommodate is called choosing the design vehicle. You pick that, and then the whole street is designed around it.

                  Guess what: here in the US, we often send even trucks like the second one I pictured – the one that’s even longer than your “industrial facility and airport truck” – to residential neighborhoods. Fire departments want to own trucks like that and we just fuckin’ let them. And that’s why our neighborhood streets are too often designed like goddamned airport runways!


                  Edit: Oh, and by the way…

                  I agree that the US have way too many way too big trucks but this…

                  Ambulances and firetrucks in Europe and Asia are smaller than most american pickup trucks.

                  … is just wrong.

                  The MAN TGM 18.330 you cited has a wheelbase of 3,900/4,200/4,500 mm (source).

                  A Ford F-150 Super Crew with an 8’ bed and an F-250/F-350 Crew Cab with an 8’ bed, both of which are considered pretty typical American pickup trucks, have wheel bases of 163.7" (4158mm) and 176.0" (4470mm) respectively (source).

                  He’s playing a little fast and loose with the notion of “most,” but otherwise, no, he’s actually not wrong!

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                  Weight doesn’t matter in this context? US firetrucks are almost a meter wider than german ones. A german firetruck is only about half a meter wider than a Ford F450.

                  And also firetrucks in US are first responders, they go before ambulances for most emergencies.

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                Unless they have some sort of advanced materials science in other countries we don’t know about here in the US that makes them as light as cardboard, I’d bet my year’s salary you wouldn’t volunteer to let one hit you.

                And yes, I have been out of the US. Shall I tell you what we say about those who “assume” things over here?

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              No, you’re missing the point. It’s not about the emergency vehicle itself hitting pedestrians. It’s about the fact that having a very large vehicle, such as a ladder firetruck, as the “design vehicle” for the street forces engineers to design in a larger intersection turning radius, which increases regular cars’ speed through the intersection. That is what decreases pedestrian safety.

              See also: https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/design-controls/design-vehicle/

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            The rest of the world does without GIANT and dangerous emergency vehicles for one.

            Could you show me those small and safe emergency vehicles that are used outside the USA? Because I’m outside the USA, I literally live near a firefighter station, and they’re all probably as big as US vehicles.

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              Literally the video i shared explains everything down to the metrics? Why are you sealioning on the specific post that has your answer?

              And also because someone else discussed german firetrucks I know the sizes. German fire trucks are almost a full meter less wide than US ones. A german firetruck is only half a meter wider than a ford f450

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                The video is half an hour long and I really don’t feel like watching it all to find out something that could be said in one or two paragraphs of text, so I ignored it at first. As I expected, the video deals with a bunch of more or less relevant topics that you or OP didn’t mention at all. It actually is a bit interesting, I’ve watched a part of it, and I do have to admit that US fire trucks are bigger than those where I live. The problem is that their deadliness is a consequence of several other factors, and only indirectly of their size. What you and OP decided not to do is to communicate that point with any nuance, and all that I could read from your comments is that, by some logic, getting hit by a 10-metre truck is much safer than getting hit by a 15-metre truck. OP complained about the driver “right-hooking” the cyclist, you just said the trucks are too big, do I really have to watch a half an hour video to understand why your comments don’t sound nonsensical?

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                  I appreciate you digging in and trying to get what I was saying. Bit of a nightmare here to keep up with which arguments ive made in the thread above the reply, as people ask the same things over and over.

                  I did say that firetrucks have a huge say in what kind of infrastructure can be built, and how big it’s allowed to be. Segregated bikes lanes for example are mostly forbidden by firedepts who can’t reach them with their massive trucks. There are no right hooks on segregated bike lanes.

                  I get your point though, apologies!

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              and they’re all probably as big as US vehicles.

              Key word: “probably.” Which means you don’t actually know.

              Chances are, you’re mistaken. But hey, post a pic and we’ll compare. I’m betting it’ll end up like this, though.

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        Ahhh okay, but you’re not trying to argue that paramedics should be on bicycles or taking public transit! That was the thing that puzzled me.

        I think we could avoid a lot of the issues with pedestrians and cyclists getting hit by motor vehicles by getting rid of stroads and properly designing cities to separate streets and roads.

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zip
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      I will always opt for a Lyft or Uber, unless I am actively dying from something that could kill me in 30 minutes or less, like a massive severed artery or something like that.

      They are just as fast, and if I start literally dying in the hospital waiting room, they will most likely pay attention.

      The only way it makes sense to take an ambulance to a hospital is if you literally have no other option, or if you are so seriously injured you’ve already lost consciousness or are mostly paralyzed.

      You can call an ambulance, paramedics arrive, stabilize you, and then refuse to get in the ambulance.

      This costs you nothing.

      Then you just bite on your wallet and take an Uber or Lyft, which costs 10 to 20 dollars.

      Get in the ambulance? 1 to 3 thousand dollars, for a shitty version of the care you’ll recieve in the hospital anyway, can’t avoid those costs.