Obviously prohibition doesn’t work, but banning disposables specifically should be mandated everywhere. It is insane that a product that contains rechargeable lithium batteries is not rechargeable, or if it is it must be thrown away after less than a month.
I think in this case prohibition should work fine…
The alternative is just… Get a non-disposable one and learn a bit of maintenance. Jesus.
Disposable vapes are easier to hide from parents since you can just throw them away, and also you don’t have to worry too much if your teacher confiscates them because they’re disposable.
With a non-disposable vape, suddenly things become a lot harder for vaping teenagers.
I’m not suggesting we let teenagers vape, I’m just saying there’s a reason teenagers like the disposable ones.
I’d consider this a plus. They’re not going to keep manufacturing these just so teenagers can buy them on a grey/black market. Teenagers will still be able to get their hands on vapes, but less consistently.
I use a disposable vape now and I was adamant about not using one because of the wastefulness, until they banned flavored vape liquid in my state.
It started to get really hard to buy coils for my vape, because it became unprofitable for these companies to operate here, and then even harder to find the liquid I enjoy.
Non-disposable ones tend to be bulky too. Not to mention the maintenance is a huge pain in the ass. The non-disposable vapes tend to leak. Doesn’t matter which one you use. If you don’t prime the coil correctly they burn out in a few puffs, and you just wasted 5+ bucks on the coil you’ve been searching for. Coils only tend to last a few days to a week as well. So you’re always on this search to find coils. Also reusable ones only last for a few months to maybe a year anyway (if you’re lucky), then you have to spend 100+ on a new one.
Sure you could get the little pod ones but now you’re being wasteful because you can’t reuse those either, and break twice as fast.
Now I can buy 2 disposables that last a month, don’t leak, don’t take a lot of real estate in my pocket, are significantly cheaper, is easier to find, and the flavor is always consistent.
I would’ve been fine with my reusable one until they banned the products that allowed me to use it.
So yeah prohibition doesn’t work. You ban this people will just go back to smoking. Which is just as wasteful and way more toxic.
I’m so cute infused by this. I have a reusable weed pen that has zero of these issues. The product just comes in a sealed container and you screw it into the base.
Yes, because the “product that comes in a sealed container” is actually the entire vape including the coil, the base you screw it into is nothing more than the battery and charging electronics
That’s still preferable over throwing away the battery as well, but it’s still a disposable vape
It’s still plenty wasteful, but the most environmentally impactful part is throwing away the battery. If the battery isn’t disposable you’ve gotten rid of a large chunk of the problem.
I used to have these issues and I’m sorry to say you are, in fact, using it wrong.
If you find your coils burning out regularly when the tank is not empty, it’s most likely because you haven’t properly set the power on your vape. My coils have the appropriate power printed on them, and they only ever burn out when I forget to fill the tank. My current coil has been in operation for 7 months, I have 25785 puffs on it (the vape counts them). Before this vape, I didn’t care about setting the power and my coils would constantly burn out and I had the same frustration as you.
My current vape also does not leak, despite the fact that I manually replaced the seals when I broke the glass tank (so it’s not just that the factory made it well).
As for the liquide, yeah. Personally I buy base and flavor in the mail and mix them myself, but that’s probably also illegal for you.
Be careful with disposables. Their nicotine levels are way higher than advertised, because they want to build the addiction to their product.
Well it’ll work in this case because they’re not banging people from doing something they’re banning companies from doing something.
If a product is not available for sale then it’s difficult for people to purchase it
Not really, in places with decriminalized but not legal weed there’s still a lot of weed in all forms being distributed.
What will make this work is that they didn’t ban flavors or non disposable vape devices.
People throw them out of their car windows too. I see them on the ground all the time. Insanity.
Oh free lithium batteries. I’ve got a decent sized stash of cells salvaged from disposables. Some of their cases I want to use as project boxes for esp devices.
Will be sad once the supply dries up for us electronics folks.
Good start. Now expand to all current and future battery devices. Honestly, disposable battery devices are a bad, out of date idea. Doing nothing but long term harm to the environment.
But nothing will change until firms are forced to do so. It’s just time until the next huge disposable trend if it is not addressed now.
Good. We had perfectly reasonable rebuildables for so long.
And then Juul made disposables popular and in came waves of China disposables.
Shouldve been banned three years ago, but those investors wouldn’t make buck. Now that they did we can care for the environment.
I saw a disposable vape with a screen and Bluetooth/mic built in. You could play games on it and take calls. That is a ridiculous amount of e-waste.
Who the fuck does that even appeal to?
15 year olds would be my guess
But where are they going to have access to their vape that they don’t have access to their phone? Do most 15 yr olds have the disposable income to spend (probably) twice as much for something disposable anyway?
You can have a phone and a vape. Double pleasure.
it’s insane they ever took hold. in the 20 fucking 20s. people look at my refillable mod like I’m holding a walkman
As someone who is using a nicotine vape to wean off of nicotine, I still don’t understand why people buy disposable ones.
It’s less cost-effective, less customizable, and more sketchy.
It’s easy.
It’s closer in spirit to buying a pack of smokes, it’s easy to just grab one on the way somewhere, less of an issue if you lose it or have to toss it(like at some concert venues), easier to give to your friends, and generally they are much smaller, so easier to conceal.
Maybe I’ve just been lucking out, but every concert venue I’ve been to recently has let me in with my vape. I usually tell the security person I have it on me, and then they tell me it’s fine and pass me through. You’re right though, it would suck to have to toss it.
I don’t agree with the “smaller” part though. Most of the disposable units I see are thicker and wider than my refillable one, since they need to be long-lasting as a value proposition. I think the main draw is probably pure convenience.
Definitely pure convenience and flavor.
Wife bought one (even though we have refillables) and damn if it doesn’t taste really fucking good, hits perfectly without needing to fuck with it.
Still don’t think we should make it a regular thing because it’s so wasteful
Personally I think they’re useful for one thing and one thing only, a gig/night out. When you don’t want to have some kind of battery pack to recharge your vape so you have a couple disposables in your pocket, and if you lose it, shrug, it cost a couple quid.
That said, I back this ban wholeheartedly
In my experience most of the non-disposable options are either super bulky or just shitty build quality. Pods that leak, or burn out super quickly. Vapes that just stop working or break super quickly. Incredible inconsistency in where/what pods are available.
None of these are insurmountable problems, but as of right now most companies seem uninterested in making a better product.
Agree, I make my own liquid/coils/wicks and it doesn’t come to more than 20 quid a month
Are you able to order nicotine?
Yeah, can get it off ebay or reputable sites no problem. The caveat is that silly law where everything has to be in 10ml bottles…
Someone said it’s an easy thing to get and “flavourful”. There’s plenty of cheap expensive vapes… I’ve seen coworkers with £250 on the unit itself and they have to clean it and replace coils? I can understand someone wanting a care free alternative" that works".
Not for me, just answering your question based on what I was told.
My rig cost me $50, a month’s worth of juice and coils is $40.
I see the big expensive rigs and I don’t want to spend that much on something I’m hoping to use for a couple years, max. Plus if I lose it I’m out a ton.
Where do you live? I’m in Canada and the government is making it super expensive to vape here it sucks.
Pennsylvania
The disposable black market & associated disproportionate rise in youth vaping in Australia results from the illegality of all vapes, not just disposables. It’s hard to imagine it becoming a burgeoning black market predicated solely on that vapers find the highly available, better value, relatively environmentally friendly option untenable. Overall a sensible move I think coming from a pro-vape perspective
What was the rationale for banning all vapes in Australia? Seems excessive. Are cigarettes banned too?
To address youth vaping. The outcome of that has been that youth vaping is significantly higher than in other OECD member countries, and kids are now getting them from the ‘vape dealer’ whom may have other illicit drugs available. Cigarettes aren’t banned, only made unaffordable via progressive excise tax. That’s had its own unintended consequences of launching a new market for “chop chop” i.e. illegally grown unprocessed tobacco, as well as black market imports that sidestep the plain packaging laws, and tobacco gang wars in Sydney and Melbourne.
Tobacco companies weren’t making money off them, no juul equivalent here, nothing from Marlboro/Phillip Morris ECT. Big lobbies to push the government. A year past the ban on vapes and I can still find them everywhere… Except from the doctors and pharmacies that are meant to be selling legal replacements.
Cigarettes and tobacco products are highly taxed. Why they didn’t go down that route I’ll never understand.
now where will bigclive get free discarded lithium cells?
Aside from the myraid of good arguments about why this is a good thing to be happening.
Having, in a past attempt to quit smoking, used a few. The ones that they tried to make look like a cigarette.
Yeah they are really awful, utterly horrid. I’d rather suck turd out a camels arse. Turned out I’d also rather just stop entirely (sorry, I only lasted about 18 months. but I will mange it)
Good. The batteries alone being disposable is insane. https://stoke.nub.news/news/local-news/staffordshire-university-graduate-uses-disposable-vape-batteries-to-power-electric-scooter-197624
not smoke/vape related… but I remember buying a couple of these one shot power banks. Disposable thing, it was in like a pouch rather than a case. I did some googling… it looked a lot like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Boostrcharge-Pre-Charged-Emergency-Hurricane-Preparedness/dp/B0BGMK7NWV?th=1
link disclaimer, DO NOT buy this crap
but it was about 10 years ago, they were like a quid each and I think I saw a basket of them at a market stall or something and I got 2. Anyway, lived in my work rucksack for a very long time, never being needed. I lost one, and the otherone the pouch got a bit damaged, so I thought sod it, lets open it.
Couldn’t believe it, I was expecting a bunch of alkaline button batteries connected together through a little zener circuit, but no, it was a straight up lithium ion battery.
It should surprise me, but not anymore. It must be economies of scale making lithium batteries the cheapest thing to do now.
we need a clean, biodegradable version of vapes. maybe use some form of paper? and instead of juice just use the actual leaves from the tobacco plant
Why paper? Why not just use the leaves?
And instead of pasteurizing it and adding a bunch of chemicals, we just let it sit and develop on its own? Naturally fermented like everything else that tastes complex and amazing?
We just invented cigars.
And pipe tobacco! I have a collection of tobacco blends I’m aging.
Use my vape (with rechargeable batteries) for addiction maintenance.
Tobacco is too pleasurable a luxury to give up. Harm reduction is the way to go for me.
Would this create less waste than buying one vape and using it forever?
It would fuck up the environment with butts like it always has. Cigs are shit for the environment, birds eat them and die and they’re everywhere. Can’t wait for them to completely die out.
It’s time to bring back tobacco pipes.
Pipe tobacco is amazing. It can be very complex after aging.
The average pipe smoker lives longer than the average non smoker.
Now there’s a claim haha
If it’s true, it’s likely socioeconomic. Relatively expensive start up cost, bag or tin of pipe tobacco usually costs more than a pack of cigarettes. Tends to select for wealthier users with better healthcare.
It’s not inhaled so the cancer risk is lower than cigarettes. But, yeah, it’s not healthy.
My grandfather would not disagree with you but then he’s dead from lung cancer.
Sorry for your loss. FWIW, pipe smoke isn’t inhaled and has much lower cancer rates than cigarette smoking. It’s lower risk, not no risk.
Nice try Gandalf
Thems fighten words. I don’t smoke any churchwardens. Among pipe smokers, you’re usually dealing with a particular type of socially tone deaf nerd when they smoke a churchwarden and start talking about pipe weed. You need to be at least 60 and fully grey to pull off a churchwarden.
Sorry, Gaffer.
I absolutely hate the fact that we as a society just agreed that cigarette butts aren’t garbage, because then you have to argue with smokers. Some day people look back and make fun of these assholes
Wow, I normally don’t think of England when it comes to countries who have their shit together!
Don’t get used to it.
One time I saw England return a library book on time. It made me so proud.
I think we just get by by knowing we’re better than Northern Ireland.
Based.
Should’ve been done years ago.
Yeah there’s only really benefits to this.
I, too, love the idea of kids getting sketchy ass vapes from weird ass dealers in alleyways. Nothing but benefits tbh
Disposable vapes are already sketchy…
And what kind of logic is this? Should children be able to buy alcohol on the basis that if they don’t get served in pubs/shops they could theoretically instead be sold moonshine in an alleyway?
Should children be able to buy alcohol on the basis that if they don’t get served in pubs/shops they could theoretically instead be sold moonshine in an alleyway?
Yes. That’s how we do it in Germany, because we know they would otherwise just steal alcohol from stores or get an adult to buy it for them, like is the case in the US
No, it’s not how you do it in Germany…
Germany has restrictions on kids buying alcohol too:
Beer, wine, wine-like beverages or sparkling wine or mixtures of beer, wine, wine-like beverages or sparkling wine and soft drinks, must not be sold to Children and Adolescents below the age of 16 years,
other alcoholic drinks or food items that contain other alcoholic drinks in more than insignificant quantities must not be sold to Children and Adolescents,
nor must their consumption by said persons be tolerated.
- Jugendschutzgesetz (Protection of Young Persons Act)
Where is this massive black market for moonshine?
You literally have absolutely no point at all do you
TBH I like an elfbar sometimes. But I know how unsustainable they are, buying one feels worse than buying cocaine or meat or insert whatever fun and ethically challenging item.
I’ve never managed to replicate the disposable taste with a reusable vape, and I’ve had experience with reusables. Anyone know if it’s doable?
But not disposable lighters?
disposable vapes come with built in lithium batteries, while (most) disposable lighters don’t. so there is a very real difference between the two. but disposal lighters are also stupidly wasteful, so it would be nice to ban those as well.
Lighters last a super long time and they don’t contain batteries which is the real concern.
Lighters last a super long time
flashbacks to last 4th of July where we needed to get 4 different disposable lighters before one worked
Not that the actual lighters are any better, those dry out on their own with no use.I bought a dispose lighter of £1 from the middle of Lidl, It works fine over 6 months later. What don’t work are those multipack ones there’s a reason they’re in a multi-back and it’s because they’re all terrible.
Hate to be a shill, but were they of the Bic brand or were they shitty knock offs?
I don’t remember probably about a 50/50, chance. We just get whatevers at the store because we hardly use lighters
I’ve never seen a “disposable” lighter that didn’t have a gas filling hole.
went to my junk drawer and got one, Doesn’t have anything on the bottom and top won’t come off without breaking
Thanks for sharing. Indeed no hole, but definitely refillable. I agree, It’s not the most user friendly option, but still an option.
huh, interesting didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing too, have a good day!
You can actually remove it pretty easily. I recall because I removed that shiny metal bit so I could follow a life hack video that allows you to increase the flame size. I’m sure you could take it off and refill it.
