Oh, so the Nakba was all fine?
Idk, I’m seeing here a second Nakba, but it might be my antisemitic brain…
And with illegal occupation I mean all the occupation Israel has been doing for decades. We all have seen the maps of what was Palestine pre-nakba and what it is today. The only reasons why we are ok with what Israel is doing are:
United States support
Palestine being an Arab country (and we all know how the west hates Arabs in general)
Fear of being called antisemitic after what Nazis did.
And tbf, right now I’m pretty sure the main reason is the first one. If that drops, I’m almost sure Israel is going to have a veeeeeeery tough time trying to find support in the international community to fend themselves against every enemy they have made.
So you want the violent destruction of Israel, as far as I understand. Israel, the only Jewish state in the world. A safe haven for Jews persecuted all over the world. A state that was established by the right to self determination of the Jewish people.
You place your hope in the US stopping the support of Israel, a highly unlikely event. The US only became a major supporter of Israel during the Yom Kippur war in 1973. Before that they bought their arms and received nuclear technology from France.
Even if let’s say the USA stops all arms sales to Israel. They would be able to adapt. Today Israel has an extremely good relationship with India. Israeli technology plus Indian manufacturing would enable Israel to do quite well. The relationship with Arab neighbors has improved significantly as well, as they recognize Iran as the true danger to the region’s peace and stability.
The US would lose Israel’s exceptional intelligence skills in the region. That’s not in their interest.
Fever dreams like yours to throw the Jews into the sea have fueled this conflict ever since it heated up in the 1920s.
See? This is the “with me or against me” rhetoric I was talking about in another post. I never said I want the destruction of Israel. I said that the only reasons why they are still being supported by the international community are those three points, being the most important the fact that the US supports them.
If that drops, they will have a hard time looking for allies because right now, nobody can in good faith say that they agree with what Israel is doing in Gaza, and if someone was to attack them and the US doesn’t step in, I’m not sure anyone else will.
That is not saying that I want the violent destruction of Israel, that is stating facts. You might not like them, but that’s how things are right now. Israel has no friends and that is entirely because of how they are behaving.
You are right, that you didn’t directly state you wanted the destruction of Israel. I read it in the subtext.
Israel’s support in the west has declined over the war in Gaza for sure. However if its existence were threatened support would skyrocket.
Israel still has lots of friends despite the way they are behaving. The consequences for Israel so far have been some minor sanctions.
If Israel were attacked on a large scale now, it would absolutely get support by the USA, Germany, India, and other Western countries.
Who do you expect to pose a military threat to Israel? Jordan and Egypt aren’t interested in a war and are occupied with stability at home. Syria is in shambles. Hezbollah is good at harassing Israel and defending against invasion, but no existential threat. A nuclear armed Iran is the biggest threat and Israel’s main adversary.
Maybe you can outline a scenario where you see Israel fall.
Simple: We just stop sending them weapons.
They are digging their own grave by doubling down in this war and in poking other nations. And they do it because they know that “Daddy US” will cover their asses in case things turn ugly.
Israel can buy weapons from Europe, India, Korea, China just as well. Hell even Russia and Turkey might sell them some stuff. It also has a robust domestic weapons industry and lots of talented engineers.
why do you want a theocracy or ethnostate? Also what one is it you are advocating for, or is it both, because Isreal is both of them under the status quo. and I find both of these types of nations moraly reprehensable
Several ethnicities live in Israel and have the same citizenship and rights. Israel is the state for the Jews, just like Poland for Polish, Spain for Spanish, and so on. All of these have minorities living in them as well.
You don’t seem to have a good understanding of nation, state, ethnicity, and their relationships.
Oh, so the Nakba was all fine? Idk, I’m seeing here a second Nakba, but it might be my antisemitic brain… And with illegal occupation I mean all the occupation Israel has been doing for decades. We all have seen the maps of what was Palestine pre-nakba and what it is today. The only reasons why we are ok with what Israel is doing are:
And tbf, right now I’m pretty sure the main reason is the first one. If that drops, I’m almost sure Israel is going to have a veeeeeeery tough time trying to find support in the international community to fend themselves against every enemy they have made.
So you want the violent destruction of Israel, as far as I understand. Israel, the only Jewish state in the world. A safe haven for Jews persecuted all over the world. A state that was established by the right to self determination of the Jewish people.
You place your hope in the US stopping the support of Israel, a highly unlikely event. The US only became a major supporter of Israel during the Yom Kippur war in 1973. Before that they bought their arms and received nuclear technology from France.
Even if let’s say the USA stops all arms sales to Israel. They would be able to adapt. Today Israel has an extremely good relationship with India. Israeli technology plus Indian manufacturing would enable Israel to do quite well. The relationship with Arab neighbors has improved significantly as well, as they recognize Iran as the true danger to the region’s peace and stability.
The US would lose Israel’s exceptional intelligence skills in the region. That’s not in their interest.
Fever dreams like yours to throw the Jews into the sea have fueled this conflict ever since it heated up in the 1920s.
See? This is the “with me or against me” rhetoric I was talking about in another post. I never said I want the destruction of Israel. I said that the only reasons why they are still being supported by the international community are those three points, being the most important the fact that the US supports them.
If that drops, they will have a hard time looking for allies because right now, nobody can in good faith say that they agree with what Israel is doing in Gaza, and if someone was to attack them and the US doesn’t step in, I’m not sure anyone else will.
That is not saying that I want the violent destruction of Israel, that is stating facts. You might not like them, but that’s how things are right now. Israel has no friends and that is entirely because of how they are behaving.
You are right, that you didn’t directly state you wanted the destruction of Israel. I read it in the subtext.
Israel’s support in the west has declined over the war in Gaza for sure. However if its existence were threatened support would skyrocket.
Israel still has lots of friends despite the way they are behaving. The consequences for Israel so far have been some minor sanctions.
If Israel were attacked on a large scale now, it would absolutely get support by the USA, Germany, India, and other Western countries.
Who do you expect to pose a military threat to Israel? Jordan and Egypt aren’t interested in a war and are occupied with stability at home. Syria is in shambles. Hezbollah is good at harassing Israel and defending against invasion, but no existential threat. A nuclear armed Iran is the biggest threat and Israel’s main adversary.
Maybe you can outline a scenario where you see Israel fall.
Simple: We just stop sending them weapons. They are digging their own grave by doubling down in this war and in poking other nations. And they do it because they know that “Daddy US” will cover their asses in case things turn ugly.
Israel can buy weapons from Europe, India, Korea, China just as well. Hell even Russia and Turkey might sell them some stuff. It also has a robust domestic weapons industry and lots of talented engineers.
why do you want a theocracy or ethnostate? Also what one is it you are advocating for, or is it both, because Isreal is both of them under the status quo. and I find both of these types of nations moraly reprehensable
Israel is neither an ethnostate, nor a theocracy. Poland is more of an ethnostate and a theocracy compared to it.
If it isn’t an ethnostate, then why did you call it the only Jewish nation of the world?
Several ethnicities live in Israel and have the same citizenship and rights. Israel is the state for the Jews, just like Poland for Polish, Spain for Spanish, and so on. All of these have minorities living in them as well.
You don’t seem to have a good understanding of nation, state, ethnicity, and their relationships.
Bullshit
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution
One example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze_in_Israel