First let me be clear: I’m not a crazy conspiracy person (…on this) I just don’t rely on a municipal well. As far as I know adding fluoride to the private well at my houses is not a thing, good or bad. I did drink municipal water for two years when I lived on campus in college.

That said, is fluoride a benefit to adults or just children?

When I was a kid I got fluoride treatments at the dentist, but then aged out. I’ve never had a cavity in forty years, but I’d like to keep it that way. Should I still be doing it?

Also no, I’m not using the internet as a substitute for a dentist, just my next dental appointment is in four months. TIA

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    Swede here. I’m a bit confused by the whole flouride thing in the US.

    We don’t add flouride in the water. At least not in amounts needed to get better tooth health.

    Almost everyone users toothpaste with fluoride. The concentration is 1000ppm in toothpaste for children (below 6 years of age) and 1450ppm in toothpaste for children (6 years and older) and grown-ups.

    We also used to have mandatory sessions with the “fluoride lady” in school. We all had to bring our toothbrush to school and got to dip it in a fluoride solution (mouthwash I presume) and brush our teeth while the fluoride lady pointed at a large scale model of teeth and gums. All kids were a little bit afraid of the fluoride ladies. I’m not sure if it’s still mandatory today, but I think a lot of schools (1st to 3rd grade maybe?) still has this on the schedule once a year.

    Sweden has got a history of focus on tooth health since we have cheap healthcare (was free 50 years ago. Times are harder now so we pay $10-$13 per night at a hospital. Life is so hard! 😉) and bad tooth health is the cause of a lot of other health issues. Which in the end would cost our state medical insurance a lot more than fixing tooth health.

    For the one with waaaaat too much time on their hands, Sweden has done some pretty dark shit in the name of “for the greater good”. Google a documentary about the Vipeholm experiments if you want to know more about one of the reasons to how the world knows so much about tooth decay.

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    Yes, the benefit doesn’t vary by age. Flouridated water prevents cavities throughout your life.

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      Thanks

      Fluoridated water just isn’t an option for me but I can ask my dentist about options beyond fluoridated toothpaste and mouthwash.

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    This is the wrong question.

    You should be asking, “While flouride helps other people, does it hurt me or is it all-good?”

    Because, really, that’s the only part that matters.

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      Not really. Since it isn’t in my well no matter what I do, the effects of fluoride in water aren’t relevant to my question.

      But the consensus in the comments is that fluoride in my toothpaste and maybe mouthwash is sufficient, and having fluoride treatments as a child but not as an adult makes sense.

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    Do you even know how much fluoride is in your water? Sometimes it’s naturally high, that’s how they figured out it was good for your teeth.

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    There’s a Sawbones episode on fluoride and its effects on teeth (and why it’s good for you), if you like to be educated and entertained at the same time, I highly recommend listening to it! Great podcast.

    And yes, fluoride is good for adult teeth, too.

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    For a municipal supply it’s worth the effort, it improves oral health for a whole community at the cost of some fluoride and a dosimeter. For a private supply it’s not worth it. Fluoridated toothpaste and mouthwash will give you a good dose of fluoride.

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    Everyone, even dogs benefit from fluoride in the water. It’s not just children. Virtually all toothpaste contains it too. Some groundwater sources also contain it naturally, some even above the recommended max level from health associations. So I’d say, document yourself with official sources. Test your well levels, then decide. Be mindful that regular consumption of soft drinks, processed foods and even air conditioning nullifies the effects for cavities.

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      Be mindful that … air conditioning nullifies the effects for cavities.

      Got any sources for that? My admittedly very brief search just turned up a bunch of stuff about ventilation and COVID/aerosols.

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          I understand that air conditioning removes some moisture from the air, but just how much of an effect does it actually have on oral moisture? I was hoping to find some sort of studies with actual measurements of some sort.

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      Thanks. The fluoride in the water itself is not directly relevant because I just don’t have it, but good evidence to raise the topic with my dentist as an adult. I definitely use fluoridated toothpaste.

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        Yeah, if it’s in toothpaste you’re getting enough.

        If you wanted to add fluoride like after you doing well treatment…

        I honestly don’t know if that’s a good idea, because who knows how evenly it’ll stay mixed correctly.

        Like. You may end up getting a shit ton of fluoride when there’s no rain and your wells low, then barely any when it fills up.

        Fluoride toothpaste is likely your best bet for consistent doses.

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          Makes sense. Even if its a thing I’d probably not keep up on it. My house filters have gotten embarrassingly full in my time

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            Yeah, I tell people I’m on well/septic even in a city because when this house was built it was before urban sprawl…

            And everyone immediately says how great it is that I don’t have to pay water/sewer.

            But like, I got to pump the septic, I got to service the well, I got to maintain the well pump and pressure tank, my garden hose has no pressure, have to keep up with water softener using a bunch of salt…

            I’m probably not even saving money. And it’s a lot of hassle.

            But it would be 10s of thousands of dollars to get it hooked up, and who knows if my 80 year old plumbing can sustain city water pressure.

            Not to mention if my electric goes out, so does my water.

            I’d 100% prefer city water, $20 a month ain’t shit.

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    Here in Germany, fluoride is mandated by law recommended to be added to table salt, so I assume it is good to have in general.

    However, regular toothpaste as well as many mouthwashes contain fluoride. In particular, they can contain a much higher dosis, because you spit it back out, so if you’re worried about your teeth, these are definitely the way to go.

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      Here in Germany, fluoride is mandated by law to be added to table salt, so I assume it is good to have in general.

      Isn’t that iodine?

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        Both exists, and salt can have both. Fluor in the salt is quite specific to Germany and a few other countries though.

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    Yes, keep using toothpaste with flouride.

    I tried toothpaste without flouride. It hurt my teeth after weeks (i.e: i also heavy drinking sweet drink like pepsi and snack at night, At night, I brush my teeth always before sleep or after snack.).

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      I did as well. Same symptoms and on my next dentist visit, the dentist had noticed my sensitivity. Back to flouride tooth paste. I switched mainly because I wanted a tooth paste that was in a refillable container or used less plastic. Alas, I have to pick my health as a priority over helping the environment.

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      I went for years without fluoride. I preferred the flavor and how my mouth felt with the more “natural” ones. Now I switch back and forth, but still avoid Colgate, crest, etc.

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        Next time you get your teeth cleaned at the dentist, which you should be doing every 6 months or so, ask them to give you a fluoride treatment. They literally just brush this minty sweet stuff onto your teeth and let it sit for 5 or 10 minutes.

        The fluoride will leech into your teeth and help reinforce any weak spots to decrease the likelihood of developing cavities.

        I mean, if you’re a conspiracy theorist then in theory it will calcify your third eye as well, but I have no way of verifying that claim, or even proving that the third eye exists other than the pineal gland in your brain, and I’ve never heard of anyone’s pineal gland being calcified.

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          Ah so fluoride treatment is what I thought it was. Here in Australia we still get it with every teeth cleaning. Granted dental is an add on with private insurance so not everyone has access to it I believe.

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    I’m about to install a reverse osmosis water filter because I want less PFOS (and other crap) in me. I understand this will also get rid of most of the fluoride.

    I assume we’ll be fine because we brush or use fluoride mouthwash daily. But I’d like to hear if anyone thinks otherwise. I’m not opposed to fluoride in water, just wondering how much downside there is to not having it in my water when we do use fluoride otherwise.

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      Unless you live next to a PTFE manufacturing plant, you are not at risk of PFOS exposure.

  • I moved to Germany in my late 20’s and lived there for 2 years. I went with perfect teeth; I returned with several cavities. My brushing habits did not change, and while you could blame my cavities on several factors (the food was different; I drank way more beer; I got two years older), I’ve always attributed it to the fact that Germany does not fluoridate their municipal water - and everyone drinks bottled water anyway. At least, the crowd I ran with did. It’s been years, but as I remember, you didn’t get water at restaurants unless you asked, and then if you did, you got bottled water. In any case, I went from drinking fluoridated water regularly to zero flouride except what was in the toothpaste. And, honestly, I don’t remember paying much attention to which toothpaste I bought, and many don’t have flouride in them.

    So, yeah. It’s just one anecdote, and there could have been many other factors, but it convinced me about the importance of flouride. Now we drink municipal water (US), but it’s going through a whole-house triple filtration system and I don’t know how much flouride we’re getting. So in addition to the usual tooth care (brushing, flossing) I also rinse with a flouride mouth rinse, and I’ve been doing OK dentally.

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    The scientific concensus is certainly ‘Yes’, but my own personal experience backs that up. I struggled with cavities well into my 30s, especially while at college where I mostly drank distilled water I bought in jugs at the grocery store (the local water supply had frequent issues I was trying to avoid). At some point, my dentist put me on a high-fluoride toothpaste, and the cavities basically stopped. The extra fluoride seems to have a definitive effect for me.

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      Too late now but I don’t think you’re supposed to drink distilled water. It lacks the minerals your teeth and body need.

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        It’s worse than that, RODI water as it is just pure H2O it’s desperate to bond to anything it can so it grabs minerals from your body as it passes through.

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          It sounds like it would be good to drink a glass or so every week just to help prevent kidney stones right? Or am I Way off the Mark here. I feel like I’m way off the Mark here, but somebody please confirm if I am not off the mark okay?

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            No, it pulls everything out of your system and causes deficiencies. It shouldn’t be drunk at all.

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              There’s a limit to what it can pull though, right? If you have excess minerals in your body, it seems it would help eliminate them, kind of like chelation, right?