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  • But that is what I mean with it needing an extension of the language.

    So, I’m not saying you could just build a library that calls existing PHP functions to make it all work. Rather I’m saying there’s certain machine code instructions, which just cannot be expressed in PHP. And we need those machine code instructions for actually managing memory. So, I am talking about reading/writing to memory not being possible, unless we resort to horrible hacks.

    Since we are building our own compiler anyways, we could add our own function-stubs and tell our compiler to translate them to those missing machine code instructions. But then that is a superset of PHP. It wouldn’t be possible in PHP itself.

    Again, I’m not entirely sure about the above, but my web search skills couldn’t uncover any way to actually just read from a memory address in PHP.


  • I mean, I’m a bit out of my water there, both in terms of the featureset of PHP and what’s actually needed for a kernel, but I’m still gonna go with no.

    For one, PHP uses reference counting + garbage collection for memory management. That’s normally done by the language runtime, which you won’t have when running baremetal.

    Maybe you could implement a kernel, which does as few allocations as possible (generally a good idea for a kernel, but no idea, if it’s possible with PHP), and then basically just let it memory leak until everything crashes.
    Then again, the kernel is responsible for making processes crash when they have a memory leak. Presumably, our PHP kernel would just start overwriting data from running processes and eventually overwrite itself in memory(?). Either way, it would be horrendous.

    Maybe you could also try to implement some basic reference counting into your own PHP code, so that your own code keeps track of how often you’ve used an object in your own code. Certainly doesn’t sound like fun, though.

    Well, and secondly, I imagine, you’d also still need an extension of the language, to be able to address actual memory locations and do various operations with them.

    I know from Rust, that they’ve got specific functions in the stdlib for that, see for example: https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/ptr/index.html#functions
    Presumably, PHP does not have such functions, because its users aren’t normally concerned with that.





  • I mean, presumably there’s a microcontroller in this radio. For programming that, your only real mainstream choices are C, C++ and Rust, since you can’t have a language runtime without a filesystem.

    But yeah, it’s neither the case that Rust is overwhelmingly popular for that (C/C++ do stick around still), nor is it the only discipline where Rust shines.






  • I believe, it’s because various Python libraries ship with a pre-compiled C/C++/Rust library. That library needs to be compiled for a specific target, and you often only get Linux x86_64 on Pypi, because that’s what most library devs use themselves.

    Conda tries to solve that by providing a separate repository, where they do have builds for more targets available, but as a result, they have fewer libraries available in that repo. That’s why we needed to install some via Conda and some via Pipenv/Pypi.


  • Early on in my career, I had to do a project in Python, together with another junior. Neither of us had any clue how to handle Python and he was on Windows, so, if I remember correctly, he had to install some dependencies from Pipenv, others from Conda, and his setup would break every two weeks in novel ways.

    Eventually, we became quite good at installing a working setup, but correctly removing the broken setup was a pain. Often times, I thought that just reinstalling the whole OS would be quicker. 🫠