That’s literally what they’re saying out loud now:
On being asked by Ahmad Tibi, one of the Arab MPs within the Israeli Knesset last week if it was legitimate “to insert a stick into a person’s rectum”, Hanoch Milwidsky, a member of Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud party, responded: “If he is a Nukhba [Hamas militant], everything is legitimate to do! Everything!”
Well those definitely sound like the words of a person who would decey a warcrime or six /s
I think they would argue Hamas militants are unlawful combatants (they don’t follow laws of war) and the Geneva convection doesn’t apply.
I find it funny how if you are fighting someone that doesn’t follow the laws of war you can not follow them too but you are not in violation, they are!
Especially with how little damage Hamas has been able to do in comparison to the damage the IDF has caused Palestine for decades. Like, if a child hit an adult, no matter how “unlawful” it was, if the adult drop-kicked them into next week that’d be a huge problem. Now, the only people acting like children are in the Israeli government but you get the idea.
Whoever kills an innocent is a piece of shit.
It’s basic fascist logic. Which as the GOP in the US has shown us, you don’t need to be fascist to use. “Our chosen enemy is both cowardly/weak and an existential threat at the same time.”
Republicans are fascists lmfao
Eh, they aren’t quite there yet. There are definitely fascists in the party but I think the party as a whole is going to go more authoritarian theocracy. The difference being, if you play their religious game you might just avoid a concentration camp. Whereas in Fascism you are your label and that’s it. A few other big differences but mostly the same for the people on the ground.
This is the biggest hand-wring, semantic gargling I’ve ever seen. What is “authoritarian theology” but making a deity out of the control structure. Nazis used Jesus, too.
They’re facists. The fact they tried over turning the election on J6 with the fake electors proves it completely, they do not point to Jesus, they point to procedure. That’s what a fascist does. Making the Constitution into a religious text is some of the most fascist shit ever, they successfully bind the propaganda structure used to prop up the injustice to an emotional spiritual feeling of righteousness. Its fascism.
The Nazis locked up religious leaders. And if you think only Fascists can attempt coups by procedure or mob then you have a lot of history you need to go read.
Nobody here is trying to deny how horrible it would be to have either group in charge.
You begged the question of why don’t I think they’re fascists which is a political philosophy and ideology question. So yeah, without writing a 20 page paper, I think we’re cooking up something we haven’t quite seen in modern times.
I think it’s going to look a lot like what’s happening in Israel right now. Likuud has had a lot of help and mentorship from the GOP over the decades. In many ways they’ve had a freer hand to influence politics over there. And we can see they’re ranking pretty transparently. It’s Orthodox Jews, Mainstream Jews, Loyal Arabs, Palestinians. Ranking in the US is going to be based on race, then religion, then labels. Which is a different hierarchy than normal Fascism or Nazis use. So a black evangelist wouldn’t be sent to the concentration camps as long as he’s loyal. Whereas in a strict race or chosen enemy system, he’d be going to that camp.
This is what happens when you beg that question with someone who studied politics in college.
“Fascism” does not necessitate throwing people in camps and gassing Jews. By any of its classical definitions, they’ve married the concept of governmental authority and economic authority. They use a myriad of nonsense to spin narratives, and as you allude, in a new scene, nothing has to be consistent. What is consistent is their fealty to one man, and money. They’ve worked at this for a long time. I personally enjoy american civil religion as a thought point. Especially when you bring up Israel, twisted-ass nation. Is it simply “authoritarian theology” too? Russia has got to just be straight up fascist, right? Theyre literally a mob state. I see little difference between Russia and the Republican dream for America
Russia is interesting. Unless there’s aspects I’m unaware of they’re not fascist. They’re authoritarian but far more like a direct rule monarchy with a bureaucracy and a facade of democracy. Their ideology is whatever helps Putin maintain control.
And yes I used camps as a metaphor. There doesn’t need to be literal camps to oppress people.
The GOP are the Republicans.
Yeah but he’s saying they only use the tactics
It seems I misread the parent comment. I apologize.
Lol especially since it turned out he did think that way anyway. Gotta dance around labels, wouldn’t want Poe or Godwin or whoever to smite our souls
And how if you listen to russia, Ukraine is both a marionette of the West and a secret mastermind orchestrating the worldwide conspiracy
Which hilariously is also antisemitic while also accusing them of being Nazis.
We really are the root of all evil, huh
Reminds me of 9/11 and the Iraqi war.
3,000 souls for 250,000 souls
The Iraqi war wasn’t related to 9/11 at all. It was about oil and finishing what daddy started.
Yeah, but we sure kept Saddam from nuking anyone with his many, many WMDs.
The day has barely started and that’s already three posts on the topic today.
Edit: anyone who wants to defend this troll, please see this thread. They are not coming to Lemmy in good faith: https://lemmy.world/post/18634532
Well, it is the next holocaust, so it makes sense that people are discussing it at length. It’ll probably be one of the biggest topics future history lessons of this era will cover, which is saying something, considering how fucked up this era is.
Just look at the user’s post history if you actually want to understand what I’m saying
Think of how much people talk about 9/11, then realize that well over 10 times as many people have been murdered so far in Gaza. OP is doing everything they can to draw awareness to a tragedy - that’s a good thing.
Imagine if people had been more willing to call out the terrible practices of Nazi Germany, instead of just keeping their heads down and trying to convince themselves that it’s someone else’s problem that they have no need to concern themselves over.
Posting 4-5 times every day on a website isn’t something to be lauded. I mean even if that’s all they are doing, which it’s not.
I’ve witnessed this user claim repeatedly that anyone who challenges them at all is a Zionist, supports/loves genocide, etc.
The real issue is that they are constantly encouraging people to vote against Democrats, which shows they aren’t sincere, since anyone can see that would only help trump, who explicitly wants to help Netanyahu exterminate Palestinians
If all they were doing was posting true articles about Israel that would be fine. Obsessive but fine. It’s not all they are doing. For example:
Posting as much as you can about something that everyone needs to be acutely aware of, regardless of how “icky” it makes them feel is absolutely something to be lauded. I admit that I didn’t know the other stuff about OP, but the fact of the matter is that you didn’t complain about ragebaiting on a ragebaiting post, you complained about someone talking too much about an ongoing holocaust on a post that specifically focuses on the ongoing holocaust. If you want to complain about the other less-exemplary facets of this user, feel free to do so on a post that isn’t pointedly focusing on the - and I repeat - ongoing holocaust.
You aren’t interested in understanding. You are interested in the same shit as op: "making a point"
by accusing people of essentially being Nazisfor daring to challenge you. If you read that thread you will see a lot of people have noticed what this fuck is up to. And rage baiting is only part of itEdit: I re read and the Nazi part of my sentence was not entirely accurate. But I do think it’s unfair to assume I’m trying to stop information about Israel from flowing just because of where I commented about the user
I never once accused you of being a Nazi, nor did I allude to doing so. What I did accuse you of was being just like the German citizens during Nazi Germany, who closed their eyes and plugged their ears while their fellow human beings were being slaughtered.
You can admit to not having the power to stop a holocaust, but don’t you dare think that you deserve the luxury of ignoring it. It needs to be on everyone’s minds every day, if for no other reason than to be thankful that they were fortunate enough to not have been born into the group of people being arbitrarily culled.
The only reason you’re not being murdered - wondering why nobody helped, nobody cared - is because you aren’t among that group. The least you can do is continue to keep it in your mind while it’s still happening.
You can scroll past these posts, or even block them I’ll bet. Stop complaining that the news of an ongoing genocide is insignificantly inconvenient for you and implying that it’s something everyone else should care about, it’s weird and embarrassing.
I guess you’re arguing in bad faith too. Sure you wanna miss an opportunity to claim that I love genocide?
Yikes.
Exactly. If you don’t know why I’m saying that, you haven’t been witnessing Linkerbaan’s habits over the last year like I have. They have accused me, and dozens of other people that I saw myself, of supporting or loving genocide. Typically when they do that, the person said nothing any more than “yeah but trump would be worse than Biden”. Linkerbaan does not argue in good faith.
And so what is the point of your comment? Who was it for? I’ll refrain from making a guess and you can tell me what upset you so about these posts.
The day has barely started and that’s already three comments harassing users on a post about israel committing Genocide.
A lot of projection going on about bad faith arguments as usual.
If I’m right about Lemmy at all, it’s only a matter of time before you get banned from instances. But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe this is just hipster-Reddit and barely anyone cares that what you’re doing here is not what you pretend to be doing here.
The day has barely started and that’s already three posts on the topic today.
Good. Palestine deserves attention.
Especially by those trying to influence the election in America, right?
I don’t need anyone else to lecture me about how I supposedly shouldn’t ever challenge this motherfucker. You all either actively ignore what they are doing or you agree with their accelerationism.
wtf are you talking about?
I don’t usually meddle in US politics (am from europe), but I endorse kamala over trump, obviously.
I am not saying that the palestinian genocide is bad and therefore we must stop voting for liberals; quite the opposite: We must vote for liberals because if trump wins, things won’t be ten times worse, they’ll be 1000 times worse.
wtf are you talking about?
We both know you don’t care
oh in fact I do care, even though I can’t prove it to you.
what makes you think that I don’t?
Well, you either didn’t read that post I linked where several people were discussing the shitty things OP often does, or those shitty things did not concern you.
Since you didn’t mention any of that and only seem concerned with defending something I never attacked (the particular message in the post), it doesn’t really seem there’s a reason to think you care about my message here. And given the dogpiling ITT it seems like practically no one cared about the point I was making (or the evidence for it) and instead chose to assume I’m a staunch zionist or something.
okok sorry maybe I misread; please don’t be so butthurt about it (no offense)
I care about palestinians because they are people and deserve to be treated as people, instead they are treated like cattle in a slaughterhouse. That has nothing to do with OP or you, it’s just my opinion on palestine. That’s why I said “palestine deserves attention”.
I don’t know what OP has done or sth. If they put forward a relatable message, I’m going to listen to it, no matter what unhinged bullshit they may or may not have said earlier. I don’t like ad-hominem attacks in general much.
Libs are just desperate to go back to brunch
Anyone bothering them about problems that are still happening are just there to ruin the mood
DaMn LibErALs, aCcElErAtIoNiStS rUleZ
Hey quit ruining the vibes, man
bUrN iT AlL doWn TrUmP 2024 wHoOpS i MeaN StAlIn
You aggressively want to avoid understanding a fucking thing so stay out of my replies or I will consider it harassment.
Flying squid is a troll mod that incites arguments then bans people when they engage.
It did not start oct. 7 it started back in 1948-1947
If I’m following OPs logic, you can bomb a country for years, invade, take their people hostage, get attacked back, not surrender, don’t negotiate and prioritize PR above the lives of your people.
When the war is over what will they have gained?
are you talking about Israel or Hamas? because damn, it’s hard to differentiate between the two terrorist organizations.
Israel was hamas all along :o
i mean, the israeli government was actually funding hamas to keep the pla from consolidating power in palestine, so…
Yes
Not sure if you’re intentionally or accidentally describing israel.
the ends justify the means but what justifies the ends?
