Medical examiner identifies man who accidentally shot and killed himself while taking out trash
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The Bexar County Medical Examiner’s Office has identified the man who shot and killed himself accidentally while taking his trash to a dumpster on Tuesday morning.

A man taking his trash to an apartment dumpster was shot and killed after he slipped while walking and the gun he was carrying went off accidentally, according to San Antonio police.

  • SoJB@lemmy.mlEnglish
    13·
    3 months ago

    Am I missing something or are there just no gun owners here. This is incredibly disingenuous, and even dangerous, “advice”.

    A loaded gun with a round in the chamber should fire when the trigger is pulled, every single time. They should not fire when the trigger is not pulled.

    Following any one of the three safety rules prevents 100% of “accidents”. There are no real gun accidents besides catastrophic mechanical failure (which does happen, but usually with shit ammo and shit guns or poorly maintained guns).

    Depending on traditional safeties encourages poor gun handling habits and adds precious time to fire when milliseconds count. “Safety-less” pistols will not fire unless the trigger is pulled, period.

    • miseducator@lemmy.worldEnglish
      20·
      3 months ago

      Yeah, no shit. And having a safety makes it near impossible to pull the trigger. I don’t think anyone here doesn’t understand the concept of a safety mechanism.

      • Transporter Room 3@startrek.websiteEnglish
        9·
        3 months ago

        There’s also a safety on some guns, which I personally hate, that allows you to pull the trigger, but the safety disconnects the mechanism from the pin, or blocks the pin from going forward.

        Personally I’d rather they just not allow a trigger pull at all. It’s especially freaky when you get one that still moves the hammer.

      • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        There’s loads of people who have no idea how guns work. It’s somewhat specialized knowledge.

        • 3ntranced@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          This too. You’d be bafflef how many people think the shell casing is part of the bullet that’s fired. Like little rockets lol.

          • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            It’s literally that xkcd geologist cartoon, where they think the average person knows the chemical formula for feltzbar and quartz. Everyone vastly overestimates the average person’s knowledge level for areas they themselves already understand.

    • 3ntranced@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      3 months ago

      Safty-less pistol owner here. Glock-19 Gen3. Even though the gun is resistant to firing unless the trigger is pulled (ie dropping it) it won’t go off. That being said, I never carry with a round chambered because of this. It takes a half a second extra to chamber the round, I’d rather take that than carry a loaded round pointed at my spine or crotch all day.

      • Socsa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        5·
        3 months ago

        Yeah, this idea that you are going to just be on the street and need to quickdraw a weapon like ten paces at dawn style is the biggest fucking delusion on top of a mountain of delusions in the gun community.

      • FireTower@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        3 months ago

        Modern designed production firearms have internal safeties that prevent the firing pin from moving forward if the trigger isn’t pulled.

        That video is on single action revolvers which have been out of vogue for over a century.

        Skip to 1:40

        https://youtu.be/V2RDitgCaD0?si=

        • nottherealsneaky@lemmy.caEnglish
          8·
          3 months ago

          For all the gun owners in the thread, GarandThumb recently did a video (youtube gun guy) where he drop tested several handguns and a couple of them actually did go off. As many of you are saying, firearms shouldn’t go off without the trigger being pulled and that’s for sure the case a large majority of the time.

          Frustratingly the article doesn’t mention anything about the make, model or condition of the firearm here. It’s totally possible it went off just from being dropped.

          • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            He almost certainly tested the very few modern handguns known to have that problem, for which they rightly got a lot of hate. You’d have to link the specific video, I don’t watch GT.

          • aodhsishaj@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            1911 and 2011 are not drop safe as they do not mitigate the firing pin carrying forward and striking the primer when the gun is dropped. Known issue for a long time with the design of the 1911 and was addressed in the manual of arms. The failure is when the crown of the barrel strikes first. It was deemed acceptable for use as the round was most likely to be discharged when the barrel was pointed at the ground.

            Most firearms designed after 1940 are drop safe. The exceptions are the ones that follow the flawed design of the 1911

            The sidearm that replaced the 1911 in military service the Beretta 92 was, some say, primarily selected as it was hammer fired and drop safe so as to stay as close to the then current manual of arms and sidearm doctrine.