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    Can’t wait for the “FOSS enables the bad guys to download 2 marijuanas” headlines from MSM.

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    I’m far more bothered by them making Brave the built-in default browser, than I am by them charging for themes & tech support.

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      Charging for themes and tech support seems fine to me. As long as it’s possible to do it yourself.

      They need to make money, to continue the development and that seems a good compromise

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        The themes and tech support are totally fine to charge for (as long as they’re original themes that the zorinOS developers made or contracted someone to make).

        Brave browser as default is borderline as bad as just sticking to windows if the point of you getting away from windows is to dodge the shady stuff Microsoft has started doing.

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          It should be zen, i’m mildly upset I didn’t start using it earlier. Randomly decided to try new browsers and goddamn, it’s all I wanted from workspaces and tabs and I didn’t even know it. I always tried to use workspaces before but hated how it worked.

          I also never bothered to check for tab based extensions because some similar ones do exist.

          In zen you have your tabs vertically stacked, hated it at first, but I get it now, I actually can keep track of them all, swapping workspaces is easy/quick and doesn’t suspend all tabs when you do it so you can have multiple categories open without them pausing when you swap. Like a seperate space for research, tutorials, etc. Those spaces can have folders and pinned tabs. On top of that you get essential tabs which are always visible as app icons and easily accessible so you can have youtube as an essential tab and easily hop back and forth accessing it from any workspace. My biggest gripe with workspaces before was having to reopen youtube videos when I swapped workspaces becuase they would suspend and not be accessible.

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            Zen is my favourite software currently. It blows away the competition for me.

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            Literally everytime I use it, I’m like why didn’t I check before, I was so lost before, Id just give up and close all my tabs. Now I easily keep track of 100s, know where everything is and why they all exist because they are organized and easy to check at a glance. Really easy to load and unload tabs. Almost forgot you can split screen tabs super easily too, it’s my favorite way of using it, don’t need multiple windows.

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    I switched from Windows 10 to Mint. While there is a steep learning curve with basic things like adding an icons to the menu, I’m wishing I made the move earlier. There is a noticeable performance improvement with Stable Diffusion.

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    Zorin would t be my first choice. But happy to see those numbers.

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        When i switched from windows i used mint im currently on fedora and manjaro i had no real trouble with either one of those. But im mostly using my browser and some applications i need for coding. I dont know what your use cases are but you can make a bootable usb with any one of those distros and test it out befor you actually install it anywhere. If you have an old laptop ore something like this i would strongly reccomend testing on that and see what you like. Also save all the data you need/want to keep before you mess with anything

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      Use Cachy for a while. Not a single issue so far. Very good distro for people who want the OS out of the way. The perfect compatibility with Nvidia is a plus!

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        Yeah I waited till I had a new gpu, got amd.

        But yeah, reinstalled all the arr* stuff I had on windows and other services as podman services, got steam, played a few games. Some Linux native. Some Proton.

        Transfered all my stuff then formatted my ntfs disks did btrfs

        Never felt like anything pushed back on what I wanted. Was silky smooth.

        Never once had to even think about if I had drivers for my things, logitech lightning mouse, wireless headset etc

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    I am a macOS user for work and had windows mostly for games on my personal computer, when I got a new laptop last year it came with win 11… it was so annoying to need to skip literally ads for Microsoft services… that even being my “leisure” computer… I spent the time getting Linux Mint, deal with Nvidia drivers on Linux just to have steam there

    The games I am playing recently are working great on Linux and my computer feels faster now.

    This particular laptop had a problem with WiFi drivers and Nvidia drivers, but getting past this first setup, I must say Linux Destop is easier and fast to use.

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      I keep hearing about ads on computers, smart tvs, fridges and shit, is that solely an american thing? I’m in Europe and never get any of that shit. Sure, Microsoft will tell me at installation that they’d like to “personalize” some adds for me, but I have never actually had a single one. Did the EU block them or something?

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        You definitely get more in the US, but Europe isn’t free from ads.

        Windows still shoves OneDrive, office, and other things in your face in Europe. They still have featured news stories and the like. They still have recommendations in the start menu and such.

        These are all ads, though we’ve been conditioned into thinking MS plastering OneDrive and OneDrive recommendations all over their OS isn’t advertising. It very much is.

        If you have an Android TV in Europe, 1/3 of the home screen by default is an ad banner, just like in the US. Etc.

        We are not free from ads. We just have it slightly better than the US.

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          I don’t get any of that. No ads for microsoft products, my start menu is literally just a blank space with Project Diablo 2 and Calculator as quick access. Not even on my Samsung tv do I get ads unless I choose to tune into one of their free channels.

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        It might be the version of Windows 11 you have installed, too. Enterprise has no ads (or can be configured not to have ads, at least). Same for Professional, I think?

        You can also use a post-install “Playbook” to rip all the adware and spyware out of Windows. I used ReviOS in my Windows 11 VM and it works well for me, but I’m guessing that’s not what you’ve done since you’d know about it, lol.

        I’m super happy with my switch to CachyOS. Canadian laws roughly mirror US laws, so it’s a breath of fresh air to not need to deal with Microsoft’s bullshit (well, outside of the VM I need for work, anyway.)

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            Ms has different releases for Europe due to legal requirements

            This is why you have no ads

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          You can also use a post-install “Playbook” to rip all the adware and spyware out of Windows

          Does that actually persist across forced updates? I know they’ve been known to re-install things on updates before.

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            Most disable Windows Updates for that reason, afaik? You can manually patch security updates without getting automatic updates, I think.

            I don’t really care about Windows Updates for my use case since it’s just a VM and I know how to prevent most virus vectors anyway, but yes; there are major trade-offs to “debloating” Windows.

            In the longer term, I want to try getting all my must-have apps for work running in browser apps or compatibility layers so I can just stay in Linux.

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      I just bought a machine with an NVIDIA card which I am going to install Mint on. Do you have any advice?

      (I had planned to get an AMD GPU, but was unable to for various reasons.)

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        Do all updates first, save a snapshot of the system, than install the latest Nvidia driver.

        For me, installing Nvidia drivers before the system update was the issue

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        Mint worked the best for me out of the other distros. 3060ti

        Multiple monitor setup. One a 4k tv via HDMI others display port.

        Had a helluva time getting it to not fuck the displays when one went on/off with anything other than mint.

        YRMV

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        Send it! I’ve heard it has gotten better for nvidia users. The nice thing about a live USB is that you can just remove it and reboot if you don’t like it.

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      Everytime people say there is a problem with nvidia driver, what kind of problem do people have? I am running nvidia drivers on two different machines on arch linux. It was just pacman -Syu nvidia and thing just work

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        On my laptop, I was using the tool available on Mint to find ans install drivers and after I reboot I was losing the WiFi drivers

        This laptop did not have an Ethernet port, so I needed to re-install the OS and try again

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    I just installed Linux Mint on my dad’s old laptop. He asked me to do it!

    I checked and it could run Windows 11 with a RAM upgrade. But he wasn’t interested in that.

    He was surprised at all of the software installed by default. And mostly just uses the browser to read his Outlook mail…

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      Same dude!

      I got games to run too, using Lutris. I can give you a few tips if you want. I put it on a thinkpad T470p.

      I can probably run pretty much anything using Lutris. It can read any iso file and presumably even .exe files though I haven’t tried it with exe’s.

      Still, most of what we need is available just in a browser or from open source, like Libreoffice.

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    I’m just waiting till I can install SteamOS honestly. Love my steam deck, and wanted to turn my old win 10 PC into a Linux machine but has issues getting any distro loaded because I’m dumb and it’s old. Hoping that when they release SteamOS for the chumps I’ll be able to work it though probably will just be left holding an old win 10 pc lol.

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    Someday Microsoft might realize that Windows should be rolling‑based, like CachyOS. By that time, it will be too late for them to catch up and bring everyone back to Windows.

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      That’s literally what Windows 10 was supposed to be. “The last version of windows”. Does no one remember that?

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        I by no means want to defend Microsoft. But I’m pretty sure that was said by an overzealous marketing person who didn’t understand correctly, and this was corrected by Microsoft soon after.

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          Maybe they should have listened to him instead of correcting him.

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          I think they really meant it at the time - but needed Windows 11 in order to really shove AI down people’s throats.

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            Windows 11 came out before AI entered the dogma.

            They are using Windows 11 to push TPU to control your hardware for reason that will become clearer in the future. They also pushed it to sell new hardware and thus more licenses. Windows 11 demands you buy a new laptop despite your perfectly functioning one.

            We’ve hit the point where PCs aren’t getting that much faster, and so people aren’t upgrading as much. This makes a few powerful people very upset.

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        I remember. I also remember Windows 8 which was supposed to make everything metro stylish and convenient, with tiling, ARM version, claims of being optimized and good for updating even on oldish boxes.

        Same times as Nokia Lumia.

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          Ah a windows 8. I remember reading the promo materials for it. An OS designed around touch, with the goal of doubling the number of touch enabled PCs on the market.

          Guess how many PCs were touch-enabled when windows 8 launched…

          1.5%. Whomever is driving at Microsoft needs to be moved to an Amish community and prevented from interacting with any kind of electrical device ever again.

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            That’s not just MS, that’s all the world. I think it can be called pessimism at rational design. With Apple’s 90s decline and rebirth, and with many things in the 90s dying, the idea that you can’t ever rationally predict what humanity will need, or at least what will win markets, has become the easiest for executives and public alike.

            So they, like everyone else, were trying to catch the vibe. This has recently culminated in jumbo extrapolators being stuffed as a solution for every purpose involving computers. Honestly if before that mess someone would tell me that computers are going to present a text prompt as the universal human interface again, and it would be conversational, I’d be excited and say that this is all I need.

            I think that it’s similar to many other things - the first attempt at solving the problem is the wisest and the deepest. Machines had controls before computers available to everyone. Computer displays show UIs as those controls, traditionally. The same rules then apply that did before, control elements should differ by purpose and that purpose should be clearly indicated by form, color, feel and well-readable label. Computers also had, since teletypes, command line as a UI - you send a message of input, you get a message of output. A clear concept, connected to what a computer is.

            We don’t need to go further and invent some new UI paradigms just because we’re not in digital-assisted heaven yet. But until the wide mass of users too knows that there’s no digital heaven, they will want it, and they will want to break paradigms and be given something new, not what they have, but the better thing that their magic thinking tells them they can have, because of human instincts.

            We have been there with metaverses in early 00s, people still use Second Life. Most of us have grown and understood, internalized there’s no metaverse that can be built to create a digital heaven, or at least a digital space of cleaner philosophy and insight, like Lukyanenko’s “Depth” (sorry, I have a limited cultural context, and this in feeling seems to fit better than classical cyberpunk).

            Now we are living through a new wave, of people and families and social subcultures that didn’t want to find such a metaverse, or create such a space, ever in their lives, and so didn’t learn the lesson, personally or collectively. But they do want another heaven, one mixed with reality, more similar to Star Trek, and they are hungry for it, and they are trying to find it similarly to how 9yo me was trying to find knowledge how they make all those 3d games and how can you make one not just draw objects, but live.

            Sorry for an emotional dump.

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            Articles for 2013 are still available? It was ~10% for all laptops launched in 2013.

            https://www.pcworld.com/article/451973/touchscreen-notebooks-snag-10-percent-of-the-laptop-market-report-claims.html

            In 2023 The penetration is ~20% so by these metrics they did double the number of touch enabled PCs. It just took a decade too long.

            In fact in 2012 - Intel did a study that said 80% of users prefer a touch screen. https://www.neowin.net/news/intel-80-percent-of-pc-users-prefer-touch-screens/

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              Windows 8 came out in 2012, and was in development years before that.

              Windows 8 is a major release of the Windows NT operating system developed by Microsoft. It was released to manufacturing on August 1, 2012, made available for download via MSDN and TechNet on August 15, 2012, and generally released for retail on October 26, 2012

              Laptops is a subset of PCs. Only 10% of laptops were touch, not 10% of computers.

              80% of users are dumb. A touchscreen laptop is an expesnive way to get your screen dirty.

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          Back in the day my not-so-tech-savvy colleague bought a Windows 8.1 laptop that had a touchscreen. After two days she brought it to me and asked me if I could “rip this hellspawn out of this computer”.

          Before wiping it we checked if there was anything to backup and the ~30 minutes I spent using Win 8.1 were hideous. It was the only time I ever had to use it, of which I am very grateful.

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    I really hope these people don’t accept that it’s normal to charge for different desktop environments.

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      They’re not doing anything that’s violating licenses. I’m happy there’s different options. Having paid support is pretty cool if you’re a school or never ran Linux before. Other users will choose other distros. We should be happy, not tear into each other.

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        My concern is more oriented toward how capitalization of consumer-facing Linux will look if it proves to be a profitable site of expansion with Windows’ decline in popularity. I don’t care about licenses or the utility of the feature, though I do question its value when there are free options. The support is the more valuable thing, but again I worry about this success given that other distros have communities that serve the same purpose for free with only a little more labour from the user. It’s a good thing this is happening at all, but we should be critical of how it happens.

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          You have to view this from outside your tech knowledge bubble.

          I have friends that are “stuck on windows 10 because fuck windows 11”. I urge them to give Linux a try via Live USB and they’re hesitant to even do that.

          The paid support path is there for people that want to try and escape and need the comfort of that safety net. They don’t feel comfortable trying to figure out even where to search for information. And if they’ve gotten that far, having various instructions for different distros can make things confusing because they probably did a generic “my issue, linux” search or just did a “my issue” search and are seeing cryptic answers, including Mac and windows. If somebody needs that paid safety net, ZorinOS for an existing machine is great, System76/PopOS for something new.

          If there is something that provides value (customer support or even the OS equivalent of a hat cosmetic) to the user, I have no concerns at all with that being sold. If that optional value could easily be done yourself with effort, those of us that know how to put in that effort ,are willing to put in the effort, or not afraid of the effort when unknown, will continue to do so. Those of us who don’t match those criteria at least have an option.

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            You’ve assumed that I’m in a tech knowledge bubble. I use Linux for work, but I am not in the tech field even remotely. Even though I have some professional training and a hobby interest, which prepared me better, I had to use textbooks and online forums to learn how to use my Linux desktop comfortably. I regularly deal with students and am therefore very familiar with low tech-literacy, let alone others in my own life that I have helped. I know there is a skill barrier for entry into Linux.

            What I am much better equipped to handle is broad social and economic developments historically, with a particular concern for capitalist erosion of community wellbeing and mutual aid. As I have said, I do not doubt there is value for consumers in this service and I do not doubt that this service appears to be reasonably priced to those consumers. My concern regards the potential attraction that such profitability could generate and that same tech-illiteracy would make users more easily coerced into capitalization. Those conditions are exactly why there is a social as well as skill barrier of entry into Linux. As you said, many consumers have been primed to accept convenience over skill-building, which in turn makes them less capable of choosing when something is not worth the price and abandoning a convenient user experience.

            Again, it is good that more people try to make this switch – Microsoft’s near monopoly is undeniably a social detriment – but we do not benefit from suspending criticism of how this switch happens just because we are happy it is happening.

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      They are just different layouts for Gnome, but it’s annoying that they call what is essentially a donation to them a Pro edition. A donate button would likely make more as it feels philanphropic.

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        You do realize that includes support, right? Last time I checked, that is very much not a donation.

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          This is a good point, particularly in the context of value for new users. My comment is more regarding the precedent of framing desktop environments as some sort of premium feature. I do question how much value users still get out of that though, since so many Linux distros have communities that provide essentially the same service for free with a bit more labour on the user.

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            I personally found value in having that straight out of the box, curated and distilled down to what works and looks good.

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        I think it is very purposeful that Zorin has expansive marketing and frames features in terms of price value.