Nothing screams “RESPECT!” as loud as the fear of physical violence.
Kissing the hand of an elder is a traditional sign of respect in Turkey - notes the Duvar portal.
That is fair (although weird). Now lets talk about slapping children in the face and giving them money for kissing you!
Slapping children in the face is traditionally considered disrespectful in many cultures.
In Utah, it’s the traditional greeting with which you start any municipal proceedings!
Thank Mormon Jesus I moved.
[obligatory bird person]
Here is a picture of Erdogan falling off a horse and then getting kicked in the dick by said horse.
haha, “and he was never the same again…”
Actually if something like that did permanent physical damage, to someone already in that mindset, that could have serious psychological consequences. When was this, has he behaved notably worse since?
after a little googling, I found the video on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/6gadar/turkish_president_erdogan_falling_off_a_horse/
It was posted 7 years ago and by then it was said that it was 10 years old, so 17 years ago…that would place this ball-busting incident in 2007, he only became presidont in 2014…idk…maybe it’s his origin story (become president to censor the whole internet to hide his 3rd degree ball-trouncing event), like Trump’s correspondents’ dinner or Orban’s being mocked by Juncker or putin’s whole life since 1989.
He was prime minister from 2003 to 2014 before initiating a constitutional referendum, creating a presidential system for him in 2014. Ball slapping happened 4 years into his prime minister government.
At the very least if there was physical trauma, the mental trauma from it going untreated could definitely lead to trying to compensate for how he feels about it by “trying to be more manly” to prove it didn’t affect him…
I think it’s safe to assume his nuts got so damaged he needed a ballectomy – Erdogan has not had balls for over a decade.
There are rumours that Hitler had just one ball and did everything he did just to compensate. If that’s true, what can we expect from Erdogan now?
… Goering has both but very small, Himmler has something simmler, but poor Goebbels has no bels at all …
I like that horse
That poor horse is glue now
That website had a huge list to scroll down to opt out of cookies. At the very bottom was a highlighted button to toggle everything on and undo all your hard work.
But I’m sure everything else they do is trustworthy.
All for a 2 paragraph article, i spent longer unchecking the fucking boxes
I couldn’t even have uBlock remove that
Out of all things, somehow privacy badger removes it
I have my client (voyager) set to default to reader mode, so I didn’t even see any cookie options. Does this mean I accepted them all or none or what?!
Reader mode kinda just leaves the cookie popup in limbo. The website is still waiting for you to answer.
Same as not accepting I guess.You can text this by toggling reading mode on/off and the pop-up will appear*edit: I dunno if it just replaced the cookies now that I think about it…
have you tried consent-o-matic? Admittedly, it didn’t work on that site, but it works like a charm on > 90 % of sites I visit.
This is a good way to have that kid growing up disrespecting authority in general.
We can only hope. A healthy wariness of authority is never a bad thing.
That’s not how it works. If the society tells him that he wrong and rightfully punished, kid will likely just accept that reality.
Edit: what the? Why am I downvoted? I suppose you guys haven’t lived in middle-eastern countries.
Or, hear me out, he grows up resentful of all who lord their undeserved power over him, like billions of other children already do?
Most children are successfully socialized into the culture they’re raised in. I think the usual though process is “I was hit by adults when I was a child” -> “I hit children now that I’m an adult” rather than rebellion.
“Hitting children for any reason is wrong” is an idea that only recently developed in Western culture. It isn’t universal in space or in time and without it, children still generally didn’t grow up to distrust authority or hate injustice.
(Consider a similar phenomenon in the Soviet Army: the tradition of senior conscripts abusing junior conscripts. All those senior conscripts were recently junior conscripts themselves and yet the tradition continues.)
That’s a very black-and-white way of looking at it. As children grow older, so too do their elders. Eventually the power balance (so to speak) shifts, and both the child and the elder learn who can hit harder.
Locking up parents you don’t like in a nursing home is also a recent, Western development. Generally grown children don’t seek revenge against their parents even in societies where physical violence against children is common. On the contrary, these societies usually have strong norms requiring the respect of elders.
(It’s ironic that by historical standards, Western parents treat their children exceptionally well but Western children treat their parents exceptionally poorly.)
Who said anything about a nursing home? I thought we were talking about throwing punches? Cause as I said, as each party ages, they both learn who hits harder.
Any old person that acts like they can’t catch hands, is literally asking for some to be thrown.
If you’re 20yo still taking abuse from someone three times your age, you’re not fighting hard enough for your own rights.
I hope to any and every god that may exist, that kid gets close enough to Erdogan one day, to return the favor tenfold.
The only thing my ultra-conservative father and grandfather managed to do to me was to never ever let them anywhere near their grandchildren.
I also might’ve let my father know how it feels to get thrown through a bookshelf by someone a lot stronger when I got old enough to do so. Suddenly he was a lot less enthusiastic about physical violence. I wonder why. He still managed to fuck up my spine for life when he did the same to me - when I was 12. Took me 6 years and a lot of physio but he’ll never hurt anyone else ever again.
I would say that physical abuse like that is not comparable to a slap. Much fewer people, even in a conservative culture, would approve of disciplining a child that way. Majority would approve of a slap.
Besides, just because you turned out different doesn’t mean that majority will, too. I’ve been belted my entire childhood, but I personally wouldn’t do it. Doesn’t mean it’s become uncommon in general. Usually, people take after their parents.
Slaps are what my mother gave me. My father wouldn’t bother with something like simple slaps.
There’s never any reason to hurt your own children. Not one. Parents are supposed to protect their children.
Sure, but that’s not at all what we are discussing here. We are discussing the perception and overall approval of corporal punishment in conservative cultures.
And while methods that can actually inflict permanent damage to children would be perceived negatively even in conservative cultures, slaps would be approved by most.
I think some of the downvotes might be from people that want it to not be true. I would also like beaten kids to rebel and break the cycle. That doesn’t necessarily mean people don’t understand your point. Some of them have a different experience (they did rebel), some of them agree with you but want the reality to be different and a downvote is a way to express that, and some of them have motivations I can’t even imagine, I guess :)
Downvoting problems away. The Lemmy equivalent of “1 like = 1 prayer”
Funny, the more I learn about right wing political strongmen and dictators the even less I like them, in fact, I strongly feel disliking.
They are the ultimate posers, every single one of them. They can’t take the slightest appearance of criticism, even if it is coming from an old lady or a child but act #sobrave and #galaxybrain because they think that ignoring rules that make our society function makes them all powerful.
It has much to do with deep rooted family culture and sexism, the man is stronk, the man do stuff, the man pays, the man hits. Other men look at political stronk man and say, There, look, a Stronk man!
Yea, it’s Pleasantville all over again. I just thought we were over that, but ultraneoliberals have a way of fucking over people and making them lash out in predictable ways that sometimes they try to harness to impose their agenda. Then we fix it e.g. New Deal, WW2, EU…then we forget why we had those protections…liberalize everything again…and back to strongmen at the gates to save us from ourselves by enslaving us. It’s like every hundred years we need a mass human sacrifice to appease the gods of chaos and relearn how to keep societies balanced.
…then we forget why we had those protections…
… because of remembering why we had other protections which were torn down to make these protections …
That’s how this works. You go to God, get hit by lightning a few times, learn not to approach that guy, then by not approaching that guy get kinda close to Satan, get boiled in oil for some time by bald imps, run away, and at some point forget that there’s another danger, et cetera ad infinitum.
We just went through a global fucking pandemic. Maybe get rid of the idiotic traditions that contributed to the spread of disease.
Do you think we should get rid of shaking hands as a greeting?
Yes. Fist bumps work just fine.
Absolutely. Double finger guns is the way.
it all makes sense why trump loves erdogan
that’s the equanimity you expect from a head of state these days :/
Shouldve kicked him in the nuts
then the kid would go to max security prison
Kick him hard enough and erdogans genes die with him
Oh, I read it as “instead of slapping the kid”
Inane comment. He’s got three kids.
Kick harder then.
I thought slapping the kid was an insane reaction, damn, I didn’t know it was that bad
Erdogan threatens Israel
Posts like this about Erdogan starts showing up
In fear of losing my Arab card, I don’t want to defend him, but it is suspicious
Welp this did it. I’m going to need you to go turn in your Arab card down at the Department of Arabic and Islamic Civilizations. Otherwise we’re gonna have to send Akbar and Ahmed over.
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yes, I’m hasbara, you got me.
PS: but ok, I sourced this from an odd newspiece somewhere on worldnews on reddit, I can’t prove you’re wrong, but if he did it in the last few days, it is not just a media campaign, it coincided.
Well, I posted here a ridiculous story about angry far right protesters storming military bases in Israel for daring to punish soldiers for rape and the story got summarily removed for not being oniony enough, so I start to understand your suspicions.
Slap him back.
If you can’t reach his face, then it’s nutz slappers.
I love how this is front page news while the fact that Turkey is a totalitarian dictatorship, openly committing war crimes is a topic about as well-covered by the US mainsteam media as Isreal committing a genocide.
It reminds me that if a ruler is brutal enough, eliminating ALL of their enemies, they are free to rewrite history.
This is NotTheOnion, I’m sure you’re right, but not really the place to be complaining about that.
Are you sure about that?
ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE
is the right place to be shedding light on genocidal dictators.
You sound like a censorship-happy Reddit mod.
Guy’s so dedicated to going off topic that now he’s complaining about Reddit mods. It’s like a core personality trait.
Communities or subs exist for a reason. If you want to just scream your thoughts into the ether I suggest Twitter or any of the alternatives.
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Or you just act reasonable.
It’s ludicrous to act like you do and justify it because “everyone can simply block me.”
One shouldn’t have to block you. Act reasonable or fuck off because obviously Lemmy isn’t something for you.
Welcome to the fediverse. The ability to block specific users that don’t conform to your rigid, bullshit rules exists for a reason. Go back to Reddit if you don’t like it.
Wow, you really seem agitated. Maybe it’s time to take a break from the internet for a bit.
Woot woot. It’s the 👮🏾♀️tone police👮🏾♀️!
Wow, you really assigned your current mood to a calm, innocuous comment I made about freedom of speech on the fediverse. Maybe it’s time to take your own advice, you underapprecitated hero of fediverse tone-policing 👮🏾♀️.
Completely rational and stable response.
You know you can post too, right? Plenty of nottheonion-worthy Israeli stuff to post.
Good idea. Perhaps I will.
Lemmy is too full of teenage edgelords to ever be relevant
Israel’s attacks on Palestinian civilians are in the mainstream news every day bro
Edit: Here are just a few from the top of the news this morning:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-airstrike-gaza-deir-al-balah-girls-school-hospital/
Bro…I live in the US where even the headlines from the NYT are heavily editorialized to act as pro-Israel propaganda. They might report Isreal attacking Palestinians but they’ll make sure to reword any (war crimes) violence inflicted (bombing refugee camps and actual, working hospitals) by Israel forces as “defense” and any violence perpetrated by Palestian-friendly forces as “terrorist attacks”.
You say “even the headlines from the NYT” like the NYT is representative of the whole of the US news media, which it is not. The NYT has been skewing conservative for some time now
I mention the NYT because they are ubiquitous. They are literally called, “the paper of record” in the US because they are the most well-respected news organization here by many (not me but many). I could point to THOUSANDS of other US papers and news organizations presenting even more egregious propaganda as well if you need.
Are you seriously trying to defend the batshit-crazy notion that the US mainsteam media ISN’T biased in Israel’s favour?
Yeah but they are “talking” about it to make the normies feel OK about the hard work israel has to do to defend itself and clear Palestine for settlement.
You really should give journalists and editors who hoe for the regime more respect, shitlord.
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Reading comprehension fail lol
Grammar fail. Your comment made no sense.
You not understanding something doesn’t make it grammatically incorrect lol
🤣 You’re joking, right? You’re calling people who knowingly report lies designed to drum up support for a literal genocide, “journalists”. Blocking you, shitlord. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I never understood why people announce that they are going to block someone. Seriously, nobody cares. Next you should let us know that you unsubscribed from this community. That’ll show us!
I never understood why people announce that they don’t understand why someone would announce that they are going to block someone. Seriously, nobody cares. Next you should let us know that you downvoted my comment. Th[at’ll show me!
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Huh?
How can she slap!
Get your filthy reddit reference out of here
How can she slap is a video that had its own viral success without the other site.
I will praise anyone who slaps him in retribution.
That was … weird.
